Elon Musk Brings Back Shadowbanning, Conservatives Report Loss of Verification Following H-1B Fracas
An algorithm change on Elon Musk's X platform following arguments about H-1B visas has sparked a debate about free speech at the same time as conservative users lament the loss of their blue verification badges and subscribers.
How can people not understand the purpose of this?
This has put the whole H1B visa system in the national spotlight. People who previously supported it are now against it. We know that H1B visas have been abused, you think Musk doesn't know that? It's the same across the Western world.
Of course, every nation should want to attract as many smart, productive, and talented people as it can. That is how H1B visas should be used, not to bring in baristas, dog walkers, and low skilled tech workers.
The outcome of this will be a general awakening as to how these visas are currently being abused and will end with a much narrower allowance for H1B's that will bring it back to the proper intended purpose.
All of this current drama is about waking up the masses.
No one who has been following Q should be falling for this script. Anyone here who is angry at Musk should be ashamed of themselves for their lack of understanding.
You should know by now you are watching a movie. Movies need actors and actors play their part.
Can this board please now chill the fuck out over this? Geez... it's like some people here haven't lived through the last 8 years and are just now coming across Q and the plan.
I'm open to this interpretation, but i won't be ashamed, because I've seen way too much to be asleep on this issue. I have seen enough that has made me not trust Elon, that he's got a big team behind him that is working on things that are questionable. I was on the fence for a long time, but i'm now leaning against him with his recent speeches, an action (or lack thereof) on certain issues. I am seeing him more of a wolf in sheep's clothing..
Interesting. So do you truly believe Trump is an idiot for bringing him into his Admin? Through the Q-looking glass, how would you feel his “decision” to keep Musk by his side plays into “the plan”?
I don't know. i don't know enough at this time to say for sure. All i know right now i find elon sus.
Oh I don’t fully trust him either but once I start going down that path I can’t find a single man I fully trust -!: that includes Trump. The only one we can ever fully put our trust in is Jesus Christ and we can only hope that those who have been put into positions and anointed to lead follow his lead too. But man is flawed and will ultimately disappoint us. Nothing wrong with being a sceptic - in fact that’s what encourages us to develop a critical mindset. Hopefully one day Elon will fully surrender to God’s Will if he have not done so already. It’s hard to tell what side anyone is on these days especially since we have been so deceived in the past but fact is we are in a spiritual warfare where the price is our souls. God wins is all I need to know while I watch this movie play out. As much as I want Elon on our side my only concern in life should be what side I myself am on. If everyone did that and those who find themselves waking up on the wrong side fix themselves we wouldn’t have to concern ourselves with where everyone else is at on their spiritual paths and in life.
Elon was not picked because what he will do will benefit you or me. He was picked because he will get things done. If he and Trump are successful, millions will feel pain.
36 trillion in debt.
Trillion of debt just in interest. And increasing.
Bloated government where the unelected effectively have power of law.
10's of millions needing deportation that will tie up the courts. Police. Military.
I expect massive upheaval that the dems will use to cause pain.
Don't be faint of heart. Cutting out the rot will be ugly and painful. But necessary to save US.
You're retarded.Get help.(Edit: The above was uncalled for and I should have been more diplomatic in my reply. u/fatality graciously rescinded the ban after we messaged privately. I appreciate that and I respect the way this was resolved.)
Seriously. Elon has done so much for us and Trump, but you question this?
Go back and start reading Q posts from the first one. I'm not in the mood for dumbasses tonight.(A little harsh from me, but I'm a little surprised people are so sensitive nowadays. Urgh... maybe it's me that needs to change.)Edit continued: I still think that people questioning this don't understand that the purpose of this drama is to wake up the masses about the abuses of the H1B visas.
neither am i,
here's 4 days for being incivilSlightly ironic considering your post title not gonna lie.
I dont believe x is censoring people speaking out about this. Laura Loomer is a bullshit artist.
With all the new hidden tech that will be released in the near future...Are you not worried about China overtaking us in developing it?
Entire new industries will be created around this. Sure we have some good local talent, but likely not on the scale that will be required.
Do you want some dumbass gender studies major to be handed the job of engineering your flying car? Or do you want the most qualified person possible do it?
We have to deal with education, no question. We do need the most qualified. But at the same time we need to fast track our own people, like those who have shown to have a higher quality of character and patriotism and duty to their home than someone who may have foreign allegiance, into high quality training so they can be qualified, and DEI initiatives be damned.
Also, mods have to keep this board on track, hence the 4d ban for incivility - it breaks rules.
I dont think Musk is talking about hiring based solely on skin color/gender (thats what DEI is and it can fuck right off). He's talking about hiring based on qualifications.
Personaly I would hate to think the person that engineered my flying car was fast-tracked in any way shape or form.
I would prefer them to be highly qualified braniac engineer nerd type with basically no social life that is completely dedicated to studying to become the best in his class of other nerds. And I don't care what color that person is.
The tik tok generation will get there in time...but right now we have to compete with the hordes of Chinese engineering nerds that will start developing their own the minute any new tech gets released.
I agree with this.. but H1B should be only high-skilled, not a low-wage job replacement scheme.
You're right, but that is the whole point of this.
All of the media that hate Trump and Musk have been pushing this as a schism in Trump's camp. But then people read about the details (dog walkers on H1B's) and are shocked that those visas are being used that way at the expense of US citizens.
This is waking people up and will allow Trump to fix this with popular support, making it easier to have political support for fixing this.
Happily, we were able to resolve that between us and I will be more civil in future, even though I think we should be able to speak our mind without censorship, but this is not my board and I need to respect the rules here.
Yeah a lot of us know what the msm is doing. we want anons to speak their mind here anon, just within the rules
The fact that you just crossed through it speaks volumes...people can still read your uncivilized rants so you still get your point across while appearing to have become more civil...
I'm for transparency. I wanted people to know what I wrote to get the ban in the first place.
If the mods want me to delete the words I said then I would.
And I do still believe the thinking of OP is retarded, but retarded in the proper use of the word, as in there is something in their thinking that is stopping/blocking (i.e. retarding) their understanding of the whole situation.
I do, however, regret completely saying "get help". That was uncalled for.
Well I completely disagree with your view on Musk and I am NOT an idiot...apparently when people support Trump they are told to leave their their thinking caps at the door as questioning anything at all means you're an idiot doomer. You should always welcome opposing views...it either sharpens or destroys actual truth. TRUTH never cowers from closer inspection and questioning...you just need to learn how to debate in a respectful manner. Most people on here are NOT idiots and sometimes people have to agree to disagree...in a respectful manner. We learned that the mainstream way of thinking is not always the truth so we should never stop questioning...it is very healthy...
Respectfully, I think you need to think a little bit more and worry a little bit less about the words that people use.
You sound like the people criticising Trump for his mean words.
And by the way, I find your comment entirely disrespectful and condescending.
So be it...you are certainly entitled to your opinion...I take no offense and I certainly did not intend to offend you. Perhaps we just need to agree to disagree...by the way good debate is not name calling or throwing punches below the belt. It is a civil exchange of ideas and opinions.
Very alarming that a mod is pushing the anti-Elon agenda.
I had generally assumed all the mods were savvy.
So are you simply not knowing the truth, that Elon is part of The Plan and that it's no small coincidence that we have the Trump/Kennedy/Tesla gang back together after all these years, or
SOMEBODY PAYING YOU FOR SOMETHING?
"very alarming that a mod is pushing the anti-elon agenda."
no, what's alarming is that you have the same "anything that goes against the narrative is wrong" mentality here that the woke left does. what was the entire purpose of Q, if not to teach us to think for ourselves? are we not allowed to discuss different theories and ideas anymore? if not, then we might as well just get rid of this entire forum because Q has clearly failed.
note how you completely failed to even provide a meaningful counterpoint, and instead simply declared your own opinion to be the objective truth and made attacks against his character. that's not what free thinkers do, and it's certainly not what we should be doing.
Well said brother
Agree with Fatality or not, there's nothing wrong with skepticism. Even toward those we assume are fighting for us.
At the end of the day, the only person in the entire world you can truly trust 100% is yourself.
I know. Were told to question everything and when people do it’s “tRUst tHe pLAn bRO”
I can believe in a plan and be critical about aspects of it.
I agree except for trusting myself. I was a caboose to my dick for 3 decades. I was on the wrong track for most the time.
I'm not paid.. im not immune from mod reports either, so you're free to report it. I could remove such reports, but out of integrity and a desire to be transparent and not have a conflict of interest i leave them for other mods. But i don't know if he is part of the plan or not, and i probably won't until it's all over.
When I have time I am going to make a post about how H1B’s have destroyed Seattle suburbs.
No question that the current H1B program is being abused. However if it gets cleaned up and companies are no longer able to use it to aquire cheap labour I don’t see a problem with it. As much fraud there is with the H1B visa it does not compare to the blatant enormous abuse we have with the marriage visa. The entire immigration system needs a complete overhaul to assure we only allow the best people in to our country.
Dooode. Cmon man.
I'm convinced it isn't just the immigration discussion. Q promised us an internet bill of rights:
u/#q605
and the insidious banning that is currently being conducted on X is setting up the perfect environment for a legislative session revoking section 230 and creating a new law for social media.
I would not be surprised if that is part of the goal of this. But I think the current main focus is to wake people up to the abuses of the H1B's.
And the rats counter is to use it to separate MAGA from Musk.
Ive seen dozens of shills pop their heads up over this issue. They up vote and promote posts that trash Elon and when there is a post bringing light to the situation they post nonsense and then upvote that to the top so that real discussion and light are suppressed.
The psyops are only going to intesify. We are nearing a date where they will be out of options. We really need to stop being so reactionary. Discernment, discernment, discernment.
Agreed. The invisible information warfare is still ongoing.
Kayfabe.
I may be a loner on this on the right but I do agree with Musk that we need more highly skilled workers and I do also agree they are doing this to put a spotlight on LEGAL immigration which in many cases is just being used as cover for actual “illegal immigrants” and corrupt US companies abusing our system to save a buck.
H1B definitely needs reforms. I don't see Musk hiring retards. He fired all the useless DEI hires from twitter and I guarantee that included many Indians.
Elon is clearly in the inner circle, and now probably fully aware that theres another massive tech boom on the horizon. With things like ai and developing released tech like free power etc. That stuff is going to need the best of the best to help develop. Hiring the most qualified people for the job based on merit.
And the main concern you should all be thinking about with the coming golden age of technological advancement is competing with China.
Truth is a huge percentage of the current generation of uni grads know more about gender studies then being ready to develop this future tech. That will change in time, but certainly won't happen overnight. Could take many many years....and in the meantime China don't gaf and could very well get ahead.
Try to think big picture anons.
This ^
Couldn’t have said it better myself fren. The foreign skilled workers can either work for US or they can work for China. These people will not go unemployed. Choice is ours if we want them or if our egos are too big to admit we need them and instead we send them off to fight for our enemies.
Elon's on the wrong side of history of this one, and this shit has been going on for a year at least with Big Tech Conducts Mass Layoffs While Importing 34,000 Foreign H-1B Workers to Take American Jobs.
Elon is putting a HUGE spotlight on this issue and how the program is being abused. We can’t fix illegal immigration without first fixing our legal immigration system. There has to be a pathway for truly skilled workers but instead the program is being abused by companies trying to cut cost by hiring lower paid foreigners. This is a conversation we need to have on a National level and doesn’t make Musk the bad guy. I’m willing to bet Trump is in complete agreement with his stance on this but because his base is so “anti-immigrant” whether they are legal or not Trump himself couldn’t start the conversation on this subject so Elon volunteered as the fall guy. Big picture people..!!
I can see it that way. but actions will tell the story.
Cry me a river with all the knee jerk reactions. Do fucking better. The DS wants to divide MAGA from Musk and stupid soft brains are falling for it.
I don't necessarily think the changes to the algorithm had anything to do with the H-1B debate.
As far as I know, Trump hasn't commented at all on the issue since this recent debate has started. I think that's the point, to have this debate. Of course Elon is going to have his point of view from a Tech CEO. Vivek has his point of view. The MAGA base sure has their point of view and made it known. It seems like this was all by design for Trump to get everybody's input in crafting his policy.
America First is hopefully the final policy.
I think shadow banning is a perceived notion, what's really happening is people are breaking X's "being respectful", "no racism" policies, which is same here too on this board, but much more reformed on X.
I don't follow lot of influencers on X, but just looking at Laura Loomer's rants last night, its very clear she is showing her true colors of hating certain races other than hers. That's why her blue check mark is removed. Same case with others.
If people discuss the matters in civilized manner and intelligently as problem solvers, not as problem creators, I doubt X (or this board) will shadow ban you (at least not broadly, there are exceptions in every system).
So with all of the fighting on X it occurred to me to ask, is the new iq test those who did get the blue check vs those who didn't. We didn't take the jab but how many of us took the blue check verification? I didn't.