Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
If they ever were, they lost the privilege the moment they conspired to murder the one that was sent to lead them. Which then extended the grace to all people of the world.
I just love it when people who have not read their Bible presume to lecture the world on God's word. Certainly, the Jews of Jerusalem were forgiven: "Father, forgive them. They know not what they do." (And one can hardly say the Jews outside of Jerusalem were even involved.) Grace was indeed extended to all the people of the world---including the Jews. That is still the case.
The "synagogue of Satan" metaphor (and it is only a metaphor) applies only to those who falsely proclaim to be Jews. It does not apply to Jews otherwise.
Current Israel isn't "the Jews". Khazars aren't the Jews. No one is really "the jews" and even if they were; Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ tells us the truth about this whole issue when they were "the Jews" 2000 years ago in Matthew 3:9
Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham.’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.
If God incarnate says It Means Nothing. I think that its safe to say that it actually means nothing. Christ means everything. We are all equal in Christ.
Yet Jesus still promised the disciples they would reign over the twelve tribes of Israel...
Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And 144,000 are sealed by God in Revelation - 12,000 from each tribe, for a special task.
90% of U.S. Jews identify as Ashkenazi (of German origin). Sephardic (Iberian) and Mizrahi (MENA) makes up the rest.
— Pew Research Center, Jewish Americans in 2020
Ashkenazim account for around 75–80% of world Jewry
— American Jewish Year Book (AJYB) & Jewish Virtual Library
Who/what behind the ‘Jews’? Jesus answers that in John 8:44.
Jesus was disputing with the Pharisees in that chapter. They were the "bad guys" of the divine story, not all Jews. Too bad when context ruins your point.
I assumed people by now understood Jesus and the Apostles were ‘Jews’ also so didn’t need to put in a disclaimer all the time for brevity’s sake. It could also be said not all Pharisees are “bad guys” either. Nicodemus, Gamaliel and Paul (Saul) - just to name some. I get your point, though.
But, yeah, thanks for pointing it out anyway. Here have another upvote on me for your astuteness. 👍
the question I have is if one is a Jew, are they automatically a person who Loves God? In the Old Testament many Jews did things against God. Read Kings in the KJV. All who went against God paid consequences. The Jews deny Jesus. IRAN denies Jesus. Could not both be destroyed (leadership) and one before the other?
This could be the time in Man's History to encourage the real end times for sure. The Jews are desperate for a Messiah now more than much of the past 50 years. Whoever this Messiah is will also be against Jesus by default, Because Jesus is the Savior that came.
Israel is God's covenant people, earthly, and under the law. Gentiles are God's heavenly people and under Grace. Same God, different dealings with two groups of people.
See Romans 11, there are two groups of people referred to as Israel - Physical Israel and Spiritual Israel : Spiritual Israel includes some physical descendants of Israel (also known as Jacob) as well as any Gentiles who Jesus chooses. Romans 11 speaks primarily of physical Israel and Paul's heart to see them join spiritual Israel, but also refers to we who are grafted in branches of a tree he (Paul) refers to as a cultivated olive tree.
For full impact, read the whole chapter. (If you're not a fan of KJV, you can click the change versions button to switch out)
Yes, exactly!! I know this and your spot on. Jacob's name means supplanter. God changed it to Israel, which means A Prince with God. Jacob = physical, Israel = spiritual.
Close, but not quite, see my reply to MuckeyDuck, below. Only Gentiles who accept Jesus are God's heavenly people, and they are also known as the Church, when included with the Jews who know and accept Jesus for who He is.
Rev 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Apparently Ted Cruz hasn't made it that far into the Bible yet
still stuck on the first book apparently
Revelation 2:9 as well. VERY important verses that the Church loves to overlook and teach around.
Revelation 1:6-7
Scatter the Nations who delight in War. Psalm 68:30
Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called Sons of God. Matthew 5:9
If they ever were, they lost the privilege the moment they conspired to murder the one that was sent to lead them. Which then extended the grace to all people of the world.
I just love it when people who have not read their Bible presume to lecture the world on God's word. Certainly, the Jews of Jerusalem were forgiven: "Father, forgive them. They know not what they do." (And one can hardly say the Jews outside of Jerusalem were even involved.) Grace was indeed extended to all the people of the world---including the Jews. That is still the case.
The "synagogue of Satan" metaphor (and it is only a metaphor) applies only to those who falsely proclaim to be Jews. It does not apply to Jews otherwise.
Current Israel isn't "the Jews". Khazars aren't the Jews. No one is really "the jews" and even if they were; Yeshua (Jesus) the Christ tells us the truth about this whole issue when they were "the Jews" 2000 years ago in Matthew 3:9
If God incarnate says It Means Nothing. I think that its safe to say that it actually means nothing. Christ means everything. We are all equal in Christ.
Yet Jesus still promised the disciples they would reign over the twelve tribes of Israel...
Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And 144,000 are sealed by God in Revelation - 12,000 from each tribe, for a special task.
Doesn’t go far enough. Needs to tell the story of Jewish influence on porn and sexual degeneracy.
A rabbi setting up a business with his daughter to sell sex toys tells you all you need to know about their moral compass.
My favorite was Denis Prager saying masturbating to cartoon porn wasn’t morally wrong on Pints with Aquinas Podcast
Most of the real Hebrew connected people are in Gaza and Iran, oddly enough
90% of U.S. Jews identify as Ashkenazi (of German origin). Sephardic (Iberian) and Mizrahi (MENA) makes up the rest. — Pew Research Center, Jewish Americans in 2020
Ashkenazim account for around 75–80% of world Jewry — American Jewish Year Book (AJYB) & Jewish Virtual Library
Who/what behind the ‘Jews’? Jesus answers that in John 8:44.
Jesus was disputing with the Pharisees in that chapter. They were the "bad guys" of the divine story, not all Jews. Too bad when context ruins your point.
I assumed people by now understood Jesus and the Apostles were ‘Jews’ also so didn’t need to put in a disclaimer all the time for brevity’s sake. It could also be said not all Pharisees are “bad guys” either. Nicodemus, Gamaliel and Paul (Saul) - just to name some. I get your point, though.
But, yeah, thanks for pointing it out anyway. Here have another upvote on me for your astuteness. 👍
Well, it literally took an act of the risen Jesus (God) to get Saul / Paul to change his mind, but thanks for the upvote!
the question I have is if one is a Jew, are they automatically a person who Loves God? In the Old Testament many Jews did things against God. Read Kings in the KJV. All who went against God paid consequences. The Jews deny Jesus. IRAN denies Jesus. Could not both be destroyed (leadership) and one before the other?
This could be the time in Man's History to encourage the real end times for sure. The Jews are desperate for a Messiah now more than much of the past 50 years. Whoever this Messiah is will also be against Jesus by default, Because Jesus is the Savior that came.
Israel is God's covenant people, earthly, and under the law. Gentiles are God's heavenly people and under Grace. Same God, different dealings with two groups of people.
Who is Israel?
See Romans 11, there are two groups of people referred to as Israel - Physical Israel and Spiritual Israel : Spiritual Israel includes some physical descendants of Israel (also known as Jacob) as well as any Gentiles who Jesus chooses. Romans 11 speaks primarily of physical Israel and Paul's heart to see them join spiritual Israel, but also refers to we who are grafted in branches of a tree he (Paul) refers to as a cultivated olive tree.
For full impact, read the whole chapter. (If you're not a fan of KJV, you can click the change versions button to switch out)
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/rom/11/1/s_1057001
Yes, exactly!! I know this and your spot on. Jacob's name means supplanter. God changed it to Israel, which means A Prince with God. Jacob = physical, Israel = spiritual.
Thanks. I exclusively read the KJV.
Jews. The offspring of Abraham.
Close, but not quite, see my reply to MuckeyDuck, below. Only Gentiles who accept Jesus are God's heavenly people, and they are also known as the Church, when included with the Jews who know and accept Jesus for who He is.
There are a lot of good points already in the thread, but "Marching to Zion" is a great place to start.