Why is it that with weather manipulation never having been a topic before, EVER, except in some fringe circles - to the point that even among conspiracy theorists it was a fairly fringe theory. There was talk of “chemtrails”, but not even a ton of that, and the main concern there was that it was poisoning us, not that it was cu freak weather events
Suddenly, within 1-2 years it’s gone from not really even being a topic among conspiracy theorists to where even normies are well versed in it, acting like cloud seeding has always been a thing, Meanwhile, liberals, who have said for years that the weather has to be changed to undo the effects of climate change, are now concurrently claiming that there is no way anyone could ever change the weather.
Nevermind the [potential] weather manipulation itself, what the crap sort of sudden mass narrative formation is this, and where did it come from? The stories about weather manipulation formed as fast as the tornados and deluges. Where are they getting these sudden talking points from?
Can you imagine the amount of energy required to create and move weather? It is absolutely mind boggling.
The idea that man can control the weather is pure lunacy.
Cloud seeding however is real and can result in massive downpours.
Look into HAARP.
And...
https://www.wanttoknow.info/war/haarp_weather_modification_electromagnetic_warfare_weapons
Because that is all it is. Arm-waving over imaginary harm is no more than fear of witchcraft. By the way, it is an ionosphere physics research facility. They are not studying "radio science."
To understand what HAARP is and does is 'the science'. The term 'radio waves' refers to specific frequencies and type of wave. Not exactly what is emitted from HAARP, although early attempts were detected by radio operators and called 'Woodpecker' because of the noise it created in the background.
There is no longer a normal 'pattern' of weather, but now a continual upsetting of previous patterns. This is being pitched and caught......one source of origin and other sources to 'steer' and manipulate it. These signals can actually be seen on some weather radar source sites if one knows what to look for. I myself can spot the signature and immediately find the ground source for the signal which is nearly always an existing airport, military base/facility. Cloud seeding is a separate technology sometimes used in tandem with HAARP style emittors.
This need for detail is the thing and books on HAARP will provide much of it. The rest can be surmised by studying the history of frequency experiments. Like everything, it's a matter of information, not opinion.
I haven't seen any HAARP critic show any understanding of the system or the phenomena. Nothing but conclusions based on speculation over physics ill understood. I've known about the EM spectrum since high school, so explaining radio waves to me is puerile.
I've seen people make a big deal about NEXRAD sensor locations. Weather will be noticed around those locations...because you can only see what you are able to see. Where there is no NEXRAD, there is no weather observation.
I've seen "normal" weather all my life, so long as you accept that there will always be some "abnormal" weather. That is the nature of a stochastic distribution.
What is a HAARP critic?
Belief is one thing. Facts are another.
I watch weather radar every day and night. I follow worldwide patterns daily.
I've had a lifelong interest in weather. Discussed weather 'facts' with meteorologists and oceanographers (where patterns used to originate). What was 'normal' is no longer and in fact, I predicted this very thing a long time ago, that 'weird weather' would occur become normalized. Cyclones on land, Tornadoes in winter that I called White Tornadoes, flooding rivers from the sky......developed a design for a domed glass compound house that could withstand hurricane winds, etc. You either know the tech behind HAARP or you LARP 'about' it.
If you want to avoid "weird weather," come to the Pacific Northwest. We have none. Either that, or it is continuous. I wouldn't know the difference.
Well then I guess you don't see regular concurrent circular disturbances being pitched from a specific KNOWN official weathermaking sight in China, - that tracks over the northwest and then is picked up by the jet stream to bring it south, colliding with warm southern air being 'pushed' by land units.
The storms generated in the past two decades gave rise to the need to 'Give it a name'. A name that didn't exist before. Being all about the Hispanic revolution, it was given the name 'La nina' to differentiate from the storms from the Gulf which they called 'El nino'. The cyclones on land, they dub 'El Derecho'. They are stronger and longer track than history provides example for. Hence the new labels.
Normalizing weird weather would be the obvious way to hide manipulations.
Arm waving over imaginary harm. I had that happen to me.
At this point in time in the movie, do you really believe they don’t have the power to manipulate the weather? Seriously?
They’re evil knows, no bounds!
The technology that’s available to the human race has not even been tapped into completely. Not for the plebs…
Only in a movie. Not in real life. Technology has limitations, and the physics of the problem are very limiting.
I totally agree with you.
Whole other discussion, and not what I’m getting at, at all.
Can you imagine the energy required to have the left all derisively spouting anti-weather manipulation rhetoric on a 6 month lead-up?
Where did it come from? We know they don’t ever speak original ideas. Who did it, and how did they deploy it that fast? They’re even talking about cloud seeding like it’s normal and has been known about for forever, when NOBODY used to talk about cloud seeding.
They’re all acting like it’s always been a thing, and everybody has known about it since forever, and cloud seeding has been a way of life since before your grandfather was born. Oh of course you’ll be lucky if you get one tiny cloud out of it. We need to do global changes from all of us to change the weather, no one person can do it. Haarp? Don’t be silly, there’s no such thing! Oh of course there are regulatory agencies for weather manipulation, duh!
It’s amazing. Where did this come from?
LOOK!! A squirrel!!!!! 😯
Pretty much.
The government has a website showing pictures of the HAARP facility that you say doesn't exist. Want to walk that back?
Are you a bot or something?
My original question has nothing to do with HAARP itself, and is entirely about responsive narratives toward weather manipulation and where they came from so quickly.
“Haarp? Don’t be silly, there’s no such thing!” Is a an example of a thing they’re stating, and I want to know where they’re getting programmed with that response.
Sure there’s no quotations around those quotes, but within the context of what was written it should be clear enough.
'What's with it..?' is that nobody cares to actually look AT the Tech that can be proven to exist.
HAARP is weather manipulation - bigger than cloud seeding. There are several types.
Not knowing what it is or does allows for manipulation.
What is the source of ignorance? Is that what you ask? You want a specific source?
Are you familiar with the concepts of “narratives” and “actuals”?
I am not talking about HAARP itself, at all.
You are either completely missing the point of the question or intentionally derailing the thread.
So what are you asking exactly, if you'd like to clear up the thread.
I'm trying to raise it from a question to an answer.
I'll ask again.....what do you want as an answer? A specific source for ignorance about weather manipulation? 99 percent get their ideas from the media.
The narrative is that weather manipulation exists. The fact is that it exists in a bigger way than the narrative accepts or allows.
Who's to blame? Ignorance not allowed, you want to know 'who' is to blame? You want a singular website? Operation Mockingbird includes thousands of social media sites and influencers that mimic the meme, hence the name. Few get a signed memo if that's what you want.
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Any idea on this?
2025 HAARP Open House Announced
HAARP to begin largest set of experiments at its new observatory
HAARP, the most powerful ionosphere heater on Earth - Physics Today
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program
No no, not on HAARP itself, on where they’re getting their narrative defense points from and when those started being deployed.
Cloud-seeding began in the late 1940s, before I was born. (If you are in your twenties or thirties, I could be your grandfather.) It IS normal, and nobody talks about it because it is Old Hat. I remember viewing a short documentary video about it on early 1960s television. HAARP has no more effect on weather than bats have on the bells in a belfry. The left specializes in picking up stupid ideas and pushing them hard.
Cloud seeding is weather manipulation. It was done in the past by the CIA/military to affect crop production. A method of war. Just because it's been done a long time doesn't make it 'normal' weather manipulation vs abnormal. It's manipulation for negative effect. You think technology took a seat and was satisfied with cloud-seeding, when heating the ionosphere and steering the result was possible? Are you really that far behind the times on technology? I'm probably older than you,and have studied frequency and related tech most my life, and I'm prepared to discuss how it most certainly does exist and how it operates.
ELF waves and heating the ionosphere are both 'Old Hat' tech now. It was old when this book came out in 1998. https://www.amazon.com/HAARP-Ultimate-Weapon-Conspiracy-Mind-Control/dp/0932813534
Did you read it or others that detail?
Don't try to pull the age card, grandpa, I still have the newspaper I kept after the jfk assassination.
Now would you like to discuss killer space robot tech?
Cloud seeding is what it is, and it began after World War II in the civilian sphere, and still is being done in the civilian sphere---for beneficial effect. Agent Orange was not cloud seeding, but was intended to deprive the Viet Cong of any concealment beneath tree canopies. Heating the ionosphere has no effect on lower layers of the atmosphere, since the ionosphere is virtually a vacuum. The amount of heat deposited is trivial compared to any self-respecting thunderstorm. It will be a close race as to who is older. Did you watch the TV program "Men Into Space"? You can talk about frequency etc., but I spent years designing, and analyzing the effects of, directed energy weapons.
HAARP transmits between 2.7 and 10 MHz. ELF is from 3 to 30 Hz. Not a match.
I didn't keep the U.S. News and World Report magazines I read in the lead-up to the 1960 election. Nor the news accounts of Gagarin's orbital flight.
What do you want to know about killer space robot tech? It goes back to Project Defender's Ballistic Missile Boost Intercept concept (BAMBI) of the 1960s. Essentially Brilliant Pebbles before Lowell Wood came along and thought he was being original. I originated the patent that got Boeing into a competition for a Lightweight Exo-Atmospheric Projectile (LEAP), and we developed and captive flight-tested the first solid-propellant, three-axis-stabilized kill projectile before 1990. Its derivative is flying as the warhead on the Standard SM-3 missile.
Great...but off the subject....and so why do you say using frequency manipulation of weather isn't a thing?
You can talk old missile technology all you want, but it's irrelevant to the subject.
Making blank negative statements without qualifier doesn't count as point.
Yes, heating the ionosphere does produce various effect and that can be qualified by the fact the HAARP does indeed exist. Nor is the tech limited to HAARP. I have background in frequency studies, as I mentioned and understand the concepts and their use.
What do you know about triggering effects by robot/satellite using laser and directed energy? What do you know about scalar energy? Those are germane to the issue here, not solid fueled rockets. I have no problem with scientific discussions or technology of any kind, and being a descendant of Lester Hendershot, I know how real technology can be rejected and demonized and then co-opted by lesser and/or darker minds.
Oh, and by the way. You should know that U.S. News and World Report is a Company rag. You should have switched to Scientific American or hell, even Omni magazine discussed frequency tech, in order to make it appear as if it's science fiction, being another company rag.
How can it be? Either water soaks up microwaves and they simply cannot impart enough energy to make a difference, or the microwaves pass through without absorption. HAARP makes effects on the ionosphere, detected by other instrumentation.
Just pointing out that we have a history of technology and I am familiar with it.
Heating the ionosphere means nothing to the lower layers of the atmosphere. I have a background in atmospheric physics.
What do you want to know about "triggering effects"? I suspect you don't know anything, because there are no space-based lasers or microwave power satellites. The microwave power concepts are chosen BECAUSE they will not interact with weather phenomena. "Scalar energy" is a hobgoblin. I notice so far in this discussion that you allege all kinds of technical familiarity, but I seem to be the only one providing specific information.
In the lead-up to the 1960 election, USNW was a more objective news source than Time or Newsweek. I used to read Scientific American, until it went off the rails in the 1980s concerning the Strategic Defense Initiative.
It's the difference in heat and moisture between upper and lower levels (due to various factors) that create storms in the first place.
There are radio waves that pass through water 'without absorbtion' Waves aren't a 'thing' in the first place.
Time and Newsweek are Company rags.
Oh hell.....now that I read the rest of your reply, I've decided you are a knob goblin' hob goblin LARPing like a fool.
Storm's coming.
You don't think they can change/manipulate the jet stream yet?
No. That would be news to the airlines who have to navigate them.
I was born and raised in coastal SC. Went to college in Melbourne Fl. I cannot recall a single year we didn't have at least one semi serious hurricane growing up. At this point it has been ten years AT LEAST since i had to put up my hurricane shutters. The heat at this point is overwhelming my over $20,000 air conditioning system. Even after fresh insulation and totally new duct work (that was $13,000). We technically have enough AC to cool our house over three times it's square footage, it has been compression tested with no leaks found anywhere.
I'm not one to bitch about heat and I could deal with sweating all damn day if it was just me. However I have 4 kids, one is a non verbal level two autistic young man that is a wonderful toddler. I honestly feel like I'm failing him (and my other three) by not providing a comfortable living environment. It is now to the point I'm about to sell our house and move into an apartment that could be more sustainable.
I don't know about weather manipulation but im telling you something is not right. Godspeed friends.
The weather is the number 1 small talk topic. All it took was Western North Carolina, lots of noticing irregular amounts of rain personally, and Camp Mystic and its mainstream. The if it can be manipulated talk will probably be coming along soon.
It didn't suddently appear in the last few years. I've been pissed off at chemtrails since 2004, when we traveled a lot and watched them being sprayed and spread over us. Clifford Carnicom, Rosalind Peterson and Dane Wiggington reported chemical analysis on the air that revealed barium, aluminum and strontium in chemtrails. Weather manipulation also comes from HAARP arrays and ionospheric heaters.
They have never sampled "chemtrails." It would be an illegal and hazardous violation of aircraft safety regulations, all for the sake of obtaining ice crystals. If they have sampled low altitude air, they still have the problem of determining where the substances come from. Blaming the local black-haired woman for witchcraft is not good enough. Nobody considers that we receive about 50 tons/day of meteoric dust from space filtering down into the atmosphere. Or that winds carry dust from one part of the world to another (think 1930s Dust Bowl). Or that freeways have an associated contamination of road dust and tire erosion.
And by "chemtrail jet" you mean a commercial airliner? I would be interested in this documentary.
If you get a certain signature of chemicals beneath chemtrails and no where else then there is your correlation.
I would have to see how they did this. I have a hard time accepting that this is any kind of a controlled experiment.
People awakened.
What is the Blue Blazes is going on here.
It's called weather. People seem to have forgotten that it goes back for centuries and has always demonstrated extremes. The MSM, being profoundly ignorant of any history, promotes their own ignorance and amazement as the proper outlook.
That's the thing though it's not. Ive lived in the same area for 34 years of my life. Yeah every summer was hot as hell and we had hurricanes just about every year. The last 6-7 years the weather pattern shifted. The heat, although just the same as it used to (humidity as well) has become only what i can describe as different. It feels different. It's overwhelming.
Top it off with us having practically no hurricanes over category 1 for about a decade either i grew up in a tumultuous time or something is wrong. Only hurricane I didnt ride out was Hugo, I was two years old at the time so I didn't have much sayso in the matter. The hurricane patterns alone are enough to cause me personally concern.
Need to live longer. Weather is not always steady or predictable. We do not normally have hurricanes in our locality...except when we do, and it is a big deal, with lots of fallen trees and interrupted power and phone service. Patterns can change for decades, then change back...or sideways. If hurricanes have abated, I would think you would thank your lucky stars. If you are in the midwest, you might be subject to shifts in air currents. There is little to channel them into stable courses over the center of the continent.
Dude I'm definitely not going to say i don't appreciate not having hurricanes. Hell my storm shutters probably need replacing at this point but I digress. Im not saying weather patterns don't change, i work in aerospace so im well aware of the shifts in environment. A year or two is a shift, 5 years is odd, ten is cause for concern. Even stranger is how often storms form and then dissipate with no explanation. Im not going to be a pretend meteorologist but they're wrong most of the time anyway 🤣.
All I'm saying is I feel something has changed, i also feel like it will be coming back with a vengeance. That is what scares me.
You never know. It could always be that the weather you thought you were used to was really transient in the geological scale of things. Being a meteorologist in my neck of the woods is a thankless job. Either the weather is obvious, or it's even odds. I can't remember when I payed attention to the weather forecast. They seem to do okay for about a 4-day forecast between sunny and raining.
A valid point bud. Been nice chatting with you!
Totally agree!
I don’t follow. How so?
What it seems like to me is:
I ask for specific feedback, yet again don’t get applicable responses. 🙃
I'm asking "What is the Blue Blazes is going on here" with the Weather Manipulation.
Also I was dying to used the old term Blue Blazes as an alternative to the F word.
We should definitely make that a thing.
My posts asking for feedback from the board in general still have a terrible track record at getting relevant responses.