SON, who was a Total " Pain in the arse" teenager who was running out of schools to be expelled from was finally placed in a Trade School, much thanks to me ( Seriously I was prepared to bribe them!). God intervened and he got the last placing. 25 years later his salary is over 250,000 US. Who is laughing now!
That me as a youth as well. Thank God my Mom steered me to the military. Labor for USAF trained Avionics and A&P Jet mechanic with 30yrs experience don’t come cheap. It’s been an absolutely fantastic career!
Glad to see some making it. I'm on the other end. Worked into an engineering role and am A3 CVP-Basic certified, creating inspection algorithms, writing code, training Ai models... but since I dont have that degree I'm taken advantage of and dont clear 60k a year.
Went to both. Trade schools offer 'hands on' education, unlike colleges with bars on every corner and student loans to keep you in debt for the rest of your life. Its like paying a bar tab forever.
correct, and I learned waaaaay more from ON THE JOB experience than any book or teacher could explain to me. Plus, a LOT of students sleep through classes. A lot of learning going on there. LOL
You're spot-on with that. I worked in the IT unit of A Major University (tm) for 25 years, and I saw the system up close and in action. The whole force behind it is to convince the paying customers that if you don't have a degree in something -- preferably a PhD -- yiou're less than human.
",,,and student loans to keep you in debt"
Unless your parents are very well-off. Which, with the ever-exploding cost of tuition, means that American Universities are becomng more and more simply a rite of passage for the wealthy.
Yep. You just gotta know that Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc., are already salivating over that $500B and quietly figuring out a way to take over the Vo-Tech trade school systems to snag that money. If that happens what you’ll see in about 20 years… are trade degrees that’ll cost $400K or more per student and an added mandatory curriculum in DEI and gender studies to graduate.
Probably the one big deterrent to their schemes is us: they hate having to deal with and cater to people who are “beneath” them.
When I was the local school district technology coordinator, students would ask me what I studied in college. I told them I studied mass communication, and I did work in television. I left the TV world and I learned computers/networking on the job, I was taught by people who were open to teaching me.
I told the students who asked I wouldn't recommend college unless you knew you could be a doctor. I said all those guys driving new pickup trucks pulling boats were plumbers/ electricians/ HVACs. They were making serious money and they knew how fix things. They could go anywhere and work.
What can you do with a 4 year liberal arts degree?
For those of you young enough to still be sorting it out, and particularly those who like working with your hands and have a knack for solving problems, find a trade that is short on people who meet the demand. There is so much money in trade if you are willing to master a craft.
I work with aluminum in the patio improvement business and never would have imagined how in demand it could be when I started so long ago. I love to build, so every day (mostly) is a pleasure. I haven't hardly looked at a clock in a quarter of a century. My secret is to find people who provide my service and sell myself to them. If you find ten or twenty of contractors who need you, and they sell ten to however many a year, you end up with more work than you can handle. You can also offer a slightly lower price that allows them to make good money off of your work because of the volume they provide.
I have made my mistakes, primarily taxes. Stay on top of those and the sky is the limit. It's mentally and physically demanding, but it keeps you young to use your body. My dad eventually came to work with me and at eighty-two years old he moves like someone much younger. Getting to work with my dad and son is a gift from God. It has also given my kid a craft to fall back on, so he will likely never go hungry. Old man out.
My nephew, who is no dummy, became a welder. He's now supporting a wife and baby, and all are doing well.
It really bugs me that so-called "blue-collar" jobs get so little respect. Every time I take my car to the garage, I'm impressed by how knowlegeable the mechanics are and what a necessary job they're doing. And yet, mechanics are looked down upon by the intelligentsia whose cars wouldn't run without them.
I great to be teaching kids usable skills instead of theories. I also believe that those student loans need to be tied directly to tuition. I know one couple who used theirs to spend a month in Europe. Now their nearly 40 and still paying it off.
I have two sons who went through trade school. They graduated high school with 3.9/4 and 4/4 GPA and did not want to incur debt at a 4 year college. And they both wanted to work on heavy equipment. They love their equipment and are both diesel technicians with road trucks making a GREAT living. Just shy of 6 figures as a 26 and 28 year old!! Make Trade School Great Again!!
I skipped school all the way through 11th and 12th grade, never went to college, didn't have kids out of wedlock (still don't have kids), and I'm in the top 1% of total household income in America..... by myself. That is comparing against households where both the male and female work. My gf works and helps contribute to the bills as well.
I think the the thing that messes most people up is "just get into college, it doesn't matter what you do just get a degree"..... and then accidentally having children at a young age when you don't know how to be an adult yourself and you cannot afford to do anything except rent a place with roommates.
The offshoring of so many American industries back in the 1980s was arguably the worst national effort in our nation's history, in terms of economic and social effects. It's pretty awesome that Trump is making pretty good progress in getting some back.
That was probably a bigger social change factor, but when factories left so many towns, it resulted in the decayed messes seen all over the country, which resulted in more poverty, drug use, despair, broken families, etc. etc.
So the money is taken from our taxes to allow people to apply for trade school? What’s the difference between that and grants allowed to go to universities? Pretty sure that school fees will now jump up because the government is backing the money to get into it, just like the universities. I don’t see a difference, even if it is a trade school versus an indoctrination facility like a college/university.
When they took math—used both places—and made it racist and White supremacist, I don’t see how anyone can trust a trade school (run by whom, governed by whom, a for-profit place…) NOT to have the evil that’s infected our lives, also show up.
Thinking it will be exempt, just because it’s blue collar is simple folly. And if you say “well watch it closely”, that wasn’t done with higher ed.
My daughter is a hair stylist, went to school for cosmetology for a year. Started working in a salon a few months before she graduated & took test. It's been almost a year since getting her license and has slowly picked up clients along the way. She's loves it and it's good for her, because she is a little shy when it comes to talking to strangers, so this has helped with her being comfortable around others a lot more. I'm proud of her strength to keep pushing herself past her comfort boundaries and thriving. Although she has some weeks that she is booked up, it's not an every week thing. She still can't afford to live on her own yet. She needs more time under her belt as a stylist, it's cutthroat out there for stylist, didn't realize how they have to fight for clients sometimes. She posts advertisements all over on social media in groups within like 50 miles of the salon, lol. Found that many others that see her advertisements jump right on and post very similar advertisements, making it hard to know who is who.
SON, who was a Total " Pain in the arse" teenager who was running out of schools to be expelled from was finally placed in a Trade School, much thanks to me ( Seriously I was prepared to bribe them!). God intervened and he got the last placing. 25 years later his salary is over 250,000 US. Who is laughing now!
2 other sons, never difficult and also successful BUT I get the biggest hugs from him.!
That me as a youth as well. Thank God my Mom steered me to the military. Labor for USAF trained Avionics and A&P Jet mechanic with 30yrs experience don’t come cheap. It’s been an absolutely fantastic career!
Glad to see some making it. I'm on the other end. Worked into an engineering role and am A3 CVP-Basic certified, creating inspection algorithms, writing code, training Ai models... but since I dont have that degree I'm taken advantage of and dont clear 60k a year.
Went to both. Trade schools offer 'hands on' education, unlike colleges with bars on every corner and student loans to keep you in debt for the rest of your life. Its like paying a bar tab forever.
correct, and I learned waaaaay more from ON THE JOB experience than any book or teacher could explain to me. Plus, a LOT of students sleep through classes. A lot of learning going on there. LOL
"...unlike colleges with bars on every corner..."
You're spot-on with that. I worked in the IT unit of A Major University (tm) for 25 years, and I saw the system up close and in action. The whole force behind it is to convince the paying customers that if you don't have a degree in something -- preferably a PhD -- yiou're less than human.
",,,and student loans to keep you in debt"
Unless your parents are very well-off. Which, with the ever-exploding cost of tuition, means that American Universities are becomng more and more simply a rite of passage for the wealthy.
exactly! Ive been saying this since I was in college
In the movie Good Will Hunting the quote that resonated most with me was:
"You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library."
That and when Will asks Robin Williams
"You paint that?".
Oh brother....
Lol. That was funny...
The " problem" is that little part about "no" debt. Wait until the professional educrats get their teeth into the vocational and trade schools.
You'll see the return of apprenticeships.
Yep. You just gotta know that Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc., are already salivating over that $500B and quietly figuring out a way to take over the Vo-Tech trade school systems to snag that money. If that happens what you’ll see in about 20 years… are trade degrees that’ll cost $400K or more per student and an added mandatory curriculum in DEI and gender studies to graduate.
Probably the one big deterrent to their schemes is us: they hate having to deal with and cater to people who are “beneath” them.
Two nephews who are becoming electricians. Already making 65k
My dad was an electrician.
Agreed!
What a time to be alive 🙏
The Education/Brainwashing Marxist Industrial Complex is being exposed and will be replaced root and branch with a model that serves We the People.
So many of my pipe dreams coming true 🙏
When you think about it, the college degree program is completing their lateral indoctrination programs.
Trade schools target the precise skill set needed to be employed in a specific occupation.
Always thought it was stupid I needed to take a geology class as a business major
Very true. It always pissed me off that I was required to waste my time and money on courses that had nothing whatever to do with my major.
Exactly.
When I was the local school district technology coordinator, students would ask me what I studied in college. I told them I studied mass communication, and I did work in television. I left the TV world and I learned computers/networking on the job, I was taught by people who were open to teaching me.
I told the students who asked I wouldn't recommend college unless you knew you could be a doctor. I said all those guys driving new pickup trucks pulling boats were plumbers/ electricians/ HVACs. They were making serious money and they knew how fix things. They could go anywhere and work.
What can you do with a 4 year liberal arts degree?
For those of you young enough to still be sorting it out, and particularly those who like working with your hands and have a knack for solving problems, find a trade that is short on people who meet the demand. There is so much money in trade if you are willing to master a craft.
I work with aluminum in the patio improvement business and never would have imagined how in demand it could be when I started so long ago. I love to build, so every day (mostly) is a pleasure. I haven't hardly looked at a clock in a quarter of a century. My secret is to find people who provide my service and sell myself to them. If you find ten or twenty of contractors who need you, and they sell ten to however many a year, you end up with more work than you can handle. You can also offer a slightly lower price that allows them to make good money off of your work because of the volume they provide.
I have made my mistakes, primarily taxes. Stay on top of those and the sky is the limit. It's mentally and physically demanding, but it keeps you young to use your body. My dad eventually came to work with me and at eighty-two years old he moves like someone much younger. Getting to work with my dad and son is a gift from God. It has also given my kid a craft to fall back on, so he will likely never go hungry. Old man out.
Thanks for saying so. I always feel a little strange sharing personal info. I just wanted others to know that trades can offer a great life.
My nephew, who is no dummy, became a welder. He's now supporting a wife and baby, and all are doing well.
It really bugs me that so-called "blue-collar" jobs get so little respect. Every time I take my car to the garage, I'm impressed by how knowlegeable the mechanics are and what a necessary job they're doing. And yet, mechanics are looked down upon by the intelligentsia whose cars wouldn't run without them.
I great to be teaching kids usable skills instead of theories. I also believe that those student loans need to be tied directly to tuition. I know one couple who used theirs to spend a month in Europe. Now their nearly 40 and still paying it off.
They are convinced that living in massive debt is the norm.
I have two sons who went through trade school. They graduated high school with 3.9/4 and 4/4 GPA and did not want to incur debt at a 4 year college. And they both wanted to work on heavy equipment. They love their equipment and are both diesel technicians with road trucks making a GREAT living. Just shy of 6 figures as a 26 and 28 year old!! Make Trade School Great Again!!
Thank you!!
I skipped school all the way through 11th and 12th grade, never went to college, didn't have kids out of wedlock (still don't have kids), and I'm in the top 1% of total household income in America..... by myself. That is comparing against households where both the male and female work. My gf works and helps contribute to the bills as well.
I think the the thing that messes most people up is "just get into college, it doesn't matter what you do just get a degree"..... and then accidentally having children at a young age when you don't know how to be an adult yourself and you cannot afford to do anything except rent a place with roommates.
"I think the the thing that messes most people up is "just get into college, it doesn't matter what you do just get a degree...""
Bingo. You get the awared for clear thinking, friend!
"Getting a degree" has come to be looked upon as an end in itself.
add some solid economics lessons in there and you have yourself an founder-factory.
And, bring the return if logic courses!
The offshoring of so many American industries back in the 1980s was arguably the worst national effort in our nation's history, in terms of economic and social effects. It's pretty awesome that Trump is making pretty good progress in getting some back.
The offshoring was a major mistake, agreed. But for my money, it was the media-driven "revolution" of the Sixties that did the most damage.
That was probably a bigger social change factor, but when factories left so many towns, it resulted in the decayed messes seen all over the country, which resulted in more poverty, drug use, despair, broken families, etc. etc.
So the money is taken from our taxes to allow people to apply for trade school? What’s the difference between that and grants allowed to go to universities? Pretty sure that school fees will now jump up because the government is backing the money to get into it, just like the universities. I don’t see a difference, even if it is a trade school versus an indoctrination facility like a college/university.
" I don’t see a difference, even if it is a trade school versus an indoctrination facility like a college/university."
That is the difference, right there.
When they took math—used both places—and made it racist and White supremacist, I don’t see how anyone can trust a trade school (run by whom, governed by whom, a for-profit place…) NOT to have the evil that’s infected our lives, also show up.
Thinking it will be exempt, just because it’s blue collar is simple folly. And if you say “well watch it closely”, that wasn’t done with higher ed.
My daughter is a hair stylist, went to school for cosmetology for a year. Started working in a salon a few months before she graduated & took test. It's been almost a year since getting her license and has slowly picked up clients along the way. She's loves it and it's good for her, because she is a little shy when it comes to talking to strangers, so this has helped with her being comfortable around others a lot more. I'm proud of her strength to keep pushing herself past her comfort boundaries and thriving. Although she has some weeks that she is booked up, it's not an every week thing. She still can't afford to live on her own yet. She needs more time under her belt as a stylist, it's cutthroat out there for stylist, didn't realize how they have to fight for clients sometimes. She posts advertisements all over on social media in groups within like 50 miles of the salon, lol. Found that many others that see her advertisements jump right on and post very similar advertisements, making it hard to know who is who.
We really do need to figure out a way to show respect and honor blue collar workers.
I am well aware of how long we can exist without plumbing. I don't know how to communicate that, however. Any ideas?
Blue collar day?
Contests with most unlikely looking (to laypeople) tools.
Timed HVAC repairs
Most ugly before pictures.