Just think of all of the hygiene and toilet training they received while in America, surely they can take that knowledge and spread it among their fellow citizens of the indian superpower.
Just remembered a story when I worked at corporate, male collagues said these guys were in the bathroom washing their feet in the sink before their prayers.. a year later they gave them their own separate bathroom cos people complained. And just the other day at my local shoprite parking lot this guy parked, took out his rug and knelt facing the sun or whatever to pray , Pakistani ..
Also my husband just told me they don’t use toilet paper after poop they have to use water.. practice known as intija… so they use toilet water? Yuck
Okay, if you're going to tell that story, then you have to tell the whole thing. Yes, they splash water on their asses. They always use their left hand to do it, so they can eat and shake hands with their right safely. Not ideal, but at least they work with what they have. And they only do that when there is no toilet paper.
I'm glad Americans are finally being treated fairly, as it should be, but good grief. These are poor people who took advantage of opportunities that were offered to them. The real culprits are the corporations and corrupt governments that abused H-1B1.
I know many Indians who are fine people. They are not the uncouth savages some here claim them to be. I find this attitude ignorant and disappointing.
That makes so much sense - and it fills in a gap in my understanding.
I'm a lefty. Before I went to India, I was coached to not use my left hand for eating. I understood it to be frowned upon and not done. I did not fully understand why at the time. I just figured that it was a cultural taboo.
I have lived in the Arab Gulf since 2004. Most toilets have handheld water guns similar to what you see at American kitchen sinks. They range from cheap plastic to expensive metal. Usually the pressure is not so good, but at one gym, if you open the valve on the wall, you can get a bit of a high colonic backflush effect, then reduce the pressure a bit just to clean the outside. It is really nice when the water is a bit warm!
I have seen some bathrooms that simply have a water spigot on the wall and a flower watering pot, but that is rare these days.
not laughter, the guys were pissed off.. and they were cussing at Bush or Obama for flooding our state with these people. They were Republicans. Everyone will always be pissed off when they see these people around acting like this and destroying America.
Shouldn’t India inherently be an industrial powerhouse? If the talent they have is so overwhelmingly superior, then certainly they would surge above 3rd world status and be among the top producers in the world
But alas what they are known for is corruption, human suffering, famine, filth, and poverty
Correct 💯 they come here just to get our money, tired of this same crap, all over the world taking advantage of us because our dear Demoncrats and Rinos 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@MuckeyDuck could you or someone archive this glorious article, I live in Ireland, a member of the Bolshevik European Union, where RT is banned for my safety.
That’s correct, the EU banned Russia Today. The hypocrisy is astounding.
I was kind of surprise by the amount. $100K is probably more than a the annual salary for entry level engineers are smaller tech companies. But for seniors at bigger firms it can be like 1/3-1/7 of their salary. So pretty modest. I feel like it will kind of favor big tech. http://levels.fyi to see what I mean
But it's definitely going to incentivize hiring Americans first, especially if they are trainable to match whatever skills they were looking for within a year or so.
It will also encourage employee retention of H1-B workers. Opposed to making them fear being lost and getting deported. That's how it has been and very easy to abuse workers.
I think you will see far less use of H1-B for non tech roles as well now. Or any industry with more average or lower salaries
One issue with this H1-B system is serious concerns about discrimination via Indian caste . ChatGPT referenced some evidence of it. Noone really knows how widespread it is, but it would be hard to tell because of obvious secrecy and plausible deniability.
This is a complex question, and the answer is: yes, there is some evidence that caste‐ or country‐based bias plays a role in parts of the U.S. tech / H-1B system (especially among Indian diaspora), but also many claims are anecdotal, hard to document, or contested. It’s not clear that there’s systematic, large-scale proof that Indian managers universally favor Indians or enforce caste hierarchies in U.S. tech workplaces. I’ll lay out what is known, what is alleged, and what remains speculative.
What is known or alleged
Here are some of the documented cases, studies, or reports that support the existence of bias of the kind you described:
Cisco lawsuit / caste discrimination case
In 2020, T (“John Doe”) filed a lawsuit against Cisco, claiming that he was discriminated against by Indian-managers because he was from a lower caste (Dalit), including being “outed” as a Dalit, being excluded from promotions, being paid less, etc. (The Washington Post)
“30 Dalit female engineers” open letter
About 30 Dalit women working in Silicon Valley and other U.S. tech companies (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, etc.) publicly wrote about caste bias: being excluded from referrals, performance reviews; being subject to slurs and jokes; being marginalized socially. (The Washington Post)
Equality Labs survey / reports
A survey by Equality Labs in 2016 found that many Dalits in the U.S. reported unfair treatment at work because of caste. (Al Jazeera)
In a more recent report, many Indian tech workers in the U.S. said “caste cues” — e.g. last names, hometowns, food/diet, etc. — had led to being bypassed for promotions or social inclusion. (India Today)
Corporate policy changes
Some tech companies have reacted by updating their policies. For example, Apple has, since 2020, explicitly prohibited discrimination on the basis of caste in its U.S. operations. (Ars Technica) IBM also includes caste in its global policies. But many major players (Meta, Google, Microsoft, Amazon) as of that reporting did not explicitly mention caste in their anti-discrimination policies. (Ars Technica)
Seattle’s ordinance
Seattle became the first U.S. city to explicitly ban discrimination on the basis of caste. This suggests enough concern and lived experience to motivate legal recognition. (AP News)
General immigration / H-1B statistics
Indians are the largest group of H-1B visa holders. A large fraction of H-1B visas go to Indian nationals. (Forbes India)
Because H-1B holders are dependent on their employer (for visa sponsorship, renewals, etc.), there is some power asymmetry that may make it harder for them to raise complaints. This is often mentioned in analyses. (The Washington Post)
Anecdotes / qualitative reporting
Many stories in media, blog posts, etc., of people reporting favoritism of certain caste networks, being left out, etc. Some of these describe how people believe that Indian managers prefer hiring, promoting, mentoring those from their own hometown, same caste, etc. (Medium)
What is not yet clearly proven / where evidence is thin
While there are multiple claims and some legal and survey evidence, there are also significant gaps or uncertainties:
Causal, quantitative data is rare. There have not been many peer‐reviewed large studies that measure, say, how much caste identity reduces promotion rates, controlling for other variables (education, performance, years of experience, etc.).
“Buying into favor for Indians purely by nationality” vs “preference for known networks” vs “merit + visa constraints”: It’s hard to disentangle. For example, many H-1B holders are Indian because Indian universities produce many technically qualified candidates; many Indians apply for these jobs; many companies rely on Indian recruiting networks. Some level of clustering is expected. That doesn’t necessarily prove biased preference, though it can correlate with it.
Proof of caste explicitly being used as a hiring or promotion factor (beyond anecdote or lawsuit) is not widespread. The Cisco lawsuit is one of the few that brings up caste explicitly. But many companies do not have “caste” as a protected category in their internal policies, making legal claims harder. (Ars Technica)
Some of the claims are contested by individuals who argue that these are isolated incidents, or that evidence is mostly anecdotal. Also, sometimes names, small local cultural networks, or regional affiliation get conflated with caste, which makes measurement difficult.
“Favoring people from same country” vs favoritism based on shared cultural background is not always the same thing. It is plausible people favor those with similar backgrounds (language, schooling, region, “feeling comfortable”) without necessarily discriminating on caste lines or with malicious intent. But even benign affinity bias can produce effects that look like “favoritism to Indians.”
What the evidence does not strongly support (or is ambiguous about)
There’s no strong, publicly known statistical evidence showing that caste discrimination is widespread across all tech companies, or is the dominant form of bias in hiring/promotion in U.S. tech.
It’s not proven that H-1B visa rules are being misused universally to favor people from one country, or that Indian managers systematically hire Indians over more qualified non-Indian or non-visa needing candidates, though there are allegations and some lawsuits. The existing legal cases are limited.
It’s not clear how much of what is observed is due to systemic casteism, vs cultural/linguistic network effects, vs other power dynamics (for example, visa dependency, lack of mentorship, language barriers, etc.).
In short: plausible, partially documented, but far from fully established
Putting the pieces together:
There is credible evidence that caste plays a role in discrimination in some U.S. tech workplaces among Indian diaspora.
There are allegations that Indian managers sometimes favor people from their own networks (which often coincide with same caste, same region, same schools), and that “caste cues” (name, hometown, educational background) may be used implicitly or explicitly.
But whether this is a widespread systemic practice (across all or most companies), or how big the effect is, is not clearly quantified yet.
If you like, I can try to pull up some scholarly papers measuring how big this effect is (effect sizes, etc.), or compare between companies, or see what companies are doing policy-wise. Do you want me to dig into that?
All those Bush, Obama, years seeing out job being taken by Indians, then the same thing with Biden were a brutal slap in the face to American workers who were more skilled. I have lost a job in my career because of frigging offshoring, or importation of cheap illiterate Indians.
I never thought I would see this day, a day more satisfying than I can express. You probably know what I mean right?
I guess I'm similar to your case. I haven't even had a real job in my field yet, and I just graduated from a top graduate school in 2024.
I always encounter these Indians/Pakis in interviews who give extremely tough questions (compared to whites) and barely even give you a chance to speak. They just want to hire their own. I found that whites in comparison are so much more forgiving if you make a mistake, and always give you a chance to redeem yourself.
What Trump has done so far is a step in the right direction, but we need to take care of the disease that is already here. Having so much of our population be uncreative, unimaginative, uncaring people who live like insects is really going to harm our country in the long term.
Humanitarian crisis? Most of the dot Indians live in squalor where they defecate in public, and have open sewers. Their food is nasty that any American forced to eat it would have to be hospitalized. They are a nasty, unhygienic, cow pee drinking, low culture, head bobbling, finger waving, godless society.
Well I read it wrong it was humanitarian consequences but I am on the same page with you, I was thinking maybe their smartest that are coming over here could possibly work on those problems you mentioned instead of the country losing their best and getting worse
The ignorance in this chat is painful. Only one intelligent comment so far from fat reggie....
India is a country of vast differences of people from religion, language, cultures, race to class. This is due to many historical events over many centuries. India had quite a few advanced societies up until the British, French and Portugese invaded. The British took over completely and drove India backwards through many divisive political moves. The biggest of them all was the separation of India and Pakistan. This is still No excuse for the country to recover from this, but it's a mountain of a challenge to bring many people across different dialects, religions and classes to agree on something. Throw in globalist money pushing agendas, communism, democracy, corruption and mafias, things just take too long to improve and change. There are constant riots, unrest, protests over trivial matters.
There are quite a few advanced cities and tech is more progressed than the usa. Yes it has challenges like cleanlines, poverty, infrastructure etc... but Digital currency transactions, app based transactions and small businesses are fast out pacing the usa. Look into it. Heck look at what other eastern Asian countries have achieved over the last couple decades. We Americans should be ashamed.
And I switched to using handheld bidet a long time ago, drastically dropped tp usage and no more clogged toilets. And a clean ass hole. Should learn a thing or two from the Asians who all use water/soap instead of toilet paper.
Also adding to this, I fully support the h1b fees. India, China and few other countries have abused this incredibly over the years. American workers compete with Chinese and Indians constantly because companies are not willing to pay 120k for a tech job and are just ready to pay 80k to a Chinese or Indian counterpart.
Also I ve seen some really shady Indians in my past and wonder how the heck did these guys get here???? They dont speak English, they dont assimilate, they dont learn the American way, they vote Democrats all the time, dont care for American politics and they create all these Indian associations and areas in an effort to create a mini India. Ridiculous!!!!! Get these shits out!!!!
Also, many students come here on f1 visas and then overstay till they get h1b from a company and then it's a 10 year plus battle till they get their green card. I will allow folks who are really assimilating to the American way but that is not majority. Those who dont speak English, who dont understand American politics, who do not know the constitution, the values of American exceptionlism should be Shipped out.
Just think of all of the hygiene and toilet training they received while in America, surely they can take that knowledge and spread it among their fellow citizens of the indian superpower.
Just remembered a story when I worked at corporate, male collagues said these guys were in the bathroom washing their feet in the sink before their prayers.. a year later they gave them their own separate bathroom cos people complained. And just the other day at my local shoprite parking lot this guy parked, took out his rug and knelt facing the sun or whatever to pray , Pakistani ..
Also my husband just told me they don’t use toilet paper after poop they have to use water.. practice known as intija… so they use toilet water? Yuck
Okay, if you're going to tell that story, then you have to tell the whole thing. Yes, they splash water on their asses. They always use their left hand to do it, so they can eat and shake hands with their right safely. Not ideal, but at least they work with what they have. And they only do that when there is no toilet paper.
I'm glad Americans are finally being treated fairly, as it should be, but good grief. These are poor people who took advantage of opportunities that were offered to them. The real culprits are the corporations and corrupt governments that abused H-1B1.
I know many Indians who are fine people. They are not the uncouth savages some here claim them to be. I find this attitude ignorant and disappointing.
That makes so much sense - and it fills in a gap in my understanding.
I'm a lefty. Before I went to India, I was coached to not use my left hand for eating. I understood it to be frowned upon and not done. I did not fully understand why at the time. I just figured that it was a cultural taboo.
Now I know why it would be frowned upon.
Oh my goodness. Don't shake hands. But how to avoid handrails? Yikes.
don't go anywhere near them.. air fist bump maybe? Say your hands were just touching bacon before
🤣
I have lived in the Arab Gulf since 2004. Most toilets have handheld water guns similar to what you see at American kitchen sinks. They range from cheap plastic to expensive metal. Usually the pressure is not so good, but at one gym, if you open the valve on the wall, you can get a bit of a high colonic backflush effect, then reduce the pressure a bit just to clean the outside. It is really nice when the water is a bit warm!
I have seen some bathrooms that simply have a water spigot on the wall and a flower watering pot, but that is rare these days.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's basically what some of the Vietnamese Tribesmen did, women also!!!!!
What a sight, seeing something like that for the first time!!!!!
And THE LAUGHTER THAT ENSUED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not laughter, the guys were pissed off.. and they were cussing at Bush or Obama for flooding our state with these people. They were Republicans. Everyone will always be pissed off when they see these people around acting like this and destroying America.
LOL training don't work when you ain't got no toilets.
Pioneers went in the bushes and buried it. Exactly what we did when camping in the mountains. And we washed our hands afterward.
You would have thought something would have rubbed off when the Brits ran the place, but alas...
Trust me. They are just as filthy here. They will climb onto the toilet and squat, leaving behind sister. Just like back home.
Shouldn’t India inherently be an industrial powerhouse? If the talent they have is so overwhelmingly superior, then certainly they would surge above 3rd world status and be among the top producers in the world
But alas what they are known for is corruption, human suffering, famine, filth, and poverty
You'd think that, but their average IQ is 70.. AVERAGE. Their smartest come here to get degrees.
Correct 💯 they come here just to get our money, tired of this same crap, all over the world taking advantage of us because our dear Demoncrats and Rinos 🤬🤬🤬🤬
If ICE came and deported the Pajeets in the Seattle area I would throw them a massive cook out.
Spread the word in India, that's an annual fee. No wait.....monthly, it's a monthly fee.
@MuckeyDuck could you or someone archive this glorious article, I live in Ireland, a member of the Bolshevik European Union, where RT is banned for my safety.
That’s correct, the EU banned Russia Today. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Tip: You can archive the page yourself. I am in the UK and RT is banned there as well. So I:
The website then downloaded the page and eventually displayed it for me. It also provided an archive link: https://archive.ph/X2pBS
Cool. Thanks, I will try that.
Try this fren. https://archive.li/vfNcu Let me know if works.
If I didn't do that right, maybe u/purkiss80 can provide a good archive link.
They would be scamming each other into oblivion.
I was kind of surprise by the amount. $100K is probably more than a the annual salary for entry level engineers are smaller tech companies. But for seniors at bigger firms it can be like 1/3-1/7 of their salary. So pretty modest. I feel like it will kind of favor big tech. http://levels.fyi to see what I mean
But it's definitely going to incentivize hiring Americans first, especially if they are trainable to match whatever skills they were looking for within a year or so.
It will also encourage employee retention of H1-B workers. Opposed to making them fear being lost and getting deported. That's how it has been and very easy to abuse workers.
I think you will see far less use of H1-B for non tech roles as well now. Or any industry with more average or lower salaries
The 100k visa fee is genius really. It eliminates the cheap labor factor but still allows for the truly exceptional to come to the US.
All the better. Then we will just be eliminating cheap labor.
One issue with this H1-B system is serious concerns about discrimination via Indian caste . ChatGPT referenced some evidence of it. Noone really knows how widespread it is, but it would be hard to tell because of obvious secrecy and plausible deniability.
This is a complex question, and the answer is: yes, there is some evidence that caste‐ or country‐based bias plays a role in parts of the U.S. tech / H-1B system (especially among Indian diaspora), but also many claims are anecdotal, hard to document, or contested. It’s not clear that there’s systematic, large-scale proof that Indian managers universally favor Indians or enforce caste hierarchies in U.S. tech workplaces. I’ll lay out what is known, what is alleged, and what remains speculative.
What is known or alleged
Here are some of the documented cases, studies, or reports that support the existence of bias of the kind you described:
Cisco lawsuit / caste discrimination case In 2020, T (“John Doe”) filed a lawsuit against Cisco, claiming that he was discriminated against by Indian-managers because he was from a lower caste (Dalit), including being “outed” as a Dalit, being excluded from promotions, being paid less, etc. (The Washington Post)
“30 Dalit female engineers” open letter About 30 Dalit women working in Silicon Valley and other U.S. tech companies (Google, Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, etc.) publicly wrote about caste bias: being excluded from referrals, performance reviews; being subject to slurs and jokes; being marginalized socially. (The Washington Post)
Equality Labs survey / reports
Corporate policy changes Some tech companies have reacted by updating their policies. For example, Apple has, since 2020, explicitly prohibited discrimination on the basis of caste in its U.S. operations. (Ars Technica) IBM also includes caste in its global policies. But many major players (Meta, Google, Microsoft, Amazon) as of that reporting did not explicitly mention caste in their anti-discrimination policies. (Ars Technica)
Seattle’s ordinance Seattle became the first U.S. city to explicitly ban discrimination on the basis of caste. This suggests enough concern and lived experience to motivate legal recognition. (AP News)
General immigration / H-1B statistics
Anecdotes / qualitative reporting Many stories in media, blog posts, etc., of people reporting favoritism of certain caste networks, being left out, etc. Some of these describe how people believe that Indian managers prefer hiring, promoting, mentoring those from their own hometown, same caste, etc. (Medium)
What is not yet clearly proven / where evidence is thin
While there are multiple claims and some legal and survey evidence, there are also significant gaps or uncertainties:
Causal, quantitative data is rare. There have not been many peer‐reviewed large studies that measure, say, how much caste identity reduces promotion rates, controlling for other variables (education, performance, years of experience, etc.).
“Buying into favor for Indians purely by nationality” vs “preference for known networks” vs “merit + visa constraints”: It’s hard to disentangle. For example, many H-1B holders are Indian because Indian universities produce many technically qualified candidates; many Indians apply for these jobs; many companies rely on Indian recruiting networks. Some level of clustering is expected. That doesn’t necessarily prove biased preference, though it can correlate with it.
Proof of caste explicitly being used as a hiring or promotion factor (beyond anecdote or lawsuit) is not widespread. The Cisco lawsuit is one of the few that brings up caste explicitly. But many companies do not have “caste” as a protected category in their internal policies, making legal claims harder. (Ars Technica)
Some of the claims are contested by individuals who argue that these are isolated incidents, or that evidence is mostly anecdotal. Also, sometimes names, small local cultural networks, or regional affiliation get conflated with caste, which makes measurement difficult.
“Favoring people from same country” vs favoritism based on shared cultural background is not always the same thing. It is plausible people favor those with similar backgrounds (language, schooling, region, “feeling comfortable”) without necessarily discriminating on caste lines or with malicious intent. But even benign affinity bias can produce effects that look like “favoritism to Indians.”
What the evidence does not strongly support (or is ambiguous about)
There’s no strong, publicly known statistical evidence showing that caste discrimination is widespread across all tech companies, or is the dominant form of bias in hiring/promotion in U.S. tech.
It’s not proven that H-1B visa rules are being misused universally to favor people from one country, or that Indian managers systematically hire Indians over more qualified non-Indian or non-visa needing candidates, though there are allegations and some lawsuits. The existing legal cases are limited.
It’s not clear how much of what is observed is due to systemic casteism, vs cultural/linguistic network effects, vs other power dynamics (for example, visa dependency, lack of mentorship, language barriers, etc.).
In short: plausible, partially documented, but far from fully established
Putting the pieces together:
If you like, I can try to pull up some scholarly papers measuring how big this effect is (effect sizes, etc.), or compare between companies, or see what companies are doing policy-wise. Do you want me to dig into that?
Gosh I fucking love Trump
All those Bush, Obama, years seeing out job being taken by Indians, then the same thing with Biden were a brutal slap in the face to American workers who were more skilled. I have lost a job in my career because of frigging offshoring, or importation of cheap illiterate Indians.
I never thought I would see this day, a day more satisfying than I can express. You probably know what I mean right?
I guess I'm similar to your case. I haven't even had a real job in my field yet, and I just graduated from a top graduate school in 2024.
I always encounter these Indians/Pakis in interviews who give extremely tough questions (compared to whites) and barely even give you a chance to speak. They just want to hire their own. I found that whites in comparison are so much more forgiving if you make a mistake, and always give you a chance to redeem yourself.
What Trump has done so far is a step in the right direction, but we need to take care of the disease that is already here. Having so much of our population be uncreative, unimaginative, uncaring people who live like insects is really going to harm our country in the long term.
Keep your wprkers and start tech companies.
Wot you mean Indians have an extra kid just to send to America?
"Humanitarian crises"
Doubtful, this should help them with less brain drain
Also cant they work remotely or whats the status of remote work here
Humanitarian crisis? Most of the dot Indians live in squalor where they defecate in public, and have open sewers. Their food is nasty that any American forced to eat it would have to be hospitalized. They are a nasty, unhygienic, cow pee drinking, low culture, head bobbling, finger waving, godless society.
Well I read it wrong it was humanitarian consequences but I am on the same page with you, I was thinking maybe their smartest that are coming over here could possibly work on those problems you mentioned instead of the country losing their best and getting worse
The ignorance in this chat is painful. Only one intelligent comment so far from fat reggie....
India is a country of vast differences of people from religion, language, cultures, race to class. This is due to many historical events over many centuries. India had quite a few advanced societies up until the British, French and Portugese invaded. The British took over completely and drove India backwards through many divisive political moves. The biggest of them all was the separation of India and Pakistan. This is still No excuse for the country to recover from this, but it's a mountain of a challenge to bring many people across different dialects, religions and classes to agree on something. Throw in globalist money pushing agendas, communism, democracy, corruption and mafias, things just take too long to improve and change. There are constant riots, unrest, protests over trivial matters.
There are quite a few advanced cities and tech is more progressed than the usa. Yes it has challenges like cleanlines, poverty, infrastructure etc... but Digital currency transactions, app based transactions and small businesses are fast out pacing the usa. Look into it. Heck look at what other eastern Asian countries have achieved over the last couple decades. We Americans should be ashamed.
And I switched to using handheld bidet a long time ago, drastically dropped tp usage and no more clogged toilets. And a clean ass hole. Should learn a thing or two from the Asians who all use water/soap instead of toilet paper.
Also adding to this, I fully support the h1b fees. India, China and few other countries have abused this incredibly over the years. American workers compete with Chinese and Indians constantly because companies are not willing to pay 120k for a tech job and are just ready to pay 80k to a Chinese or Indian counterpart.
Also I ve seen some really shady Indians in my past and wonder how the heck did these guys get here???? They dont speak English, they dont assimilate, they dont learn the American way, they vote Democrats all the time, dont care for American politics and they create all these Indian associations and areas in an effort to create a mini India. Ridiculous!!!!! Get these shits out!!!!
Also, many students come here on f1 visas and then overstay till they get h1b from a company and then it's a 10 year plus battle till they get their green card. I will allow folks who are really assimilating to the American way but that is not majority. Those who dont speak English, who dont understand American politics, who do not know the constitution, the values of American exceptionlism should be Shipped out.