I'm just here to say here and now that most conservatives are not prepared for how hard their world is going to be rocked if all the suppressed research on psychedelics starts coming out.
I’m gonna pass on the psychedelics, but you feel free to indulge. If mediums are touting it I’m gonna avoid it. I don’t need to alter my subconscious mind.
You don't have to take enough to alter your subconscious at all -- micro dosing has been a thing for quite a while, you don't get 'high' like you would on a Friday night with those same mushrooms in bigger doses. Also have to remember that natural psychedelics are a completely different animal than synthetic ones. Mushrooms and acid, for example; can be quite similar in effects yet the mushrooms grow in the ground and the acid is 100% synthetic chemicals like brake cleaner and strict 9 and a lot of chemicals in acid can stay in your system forever and collect in your spine ( nervous system CPU )
In actually, you'll be opening your subconscious, but that's another ball game all together.
And don't take me wrong; I fully believe and stand by the fact that not everything is for everyone and not everything works for everyone.
LSD occurs naturally..... Mushroom micro dosing has helped me in incredible ways. I haven't been doing it for years. I'd really like to get back to it. During the few months that I practiced it, several people that know me well said some very complimentary things to me about my attitude / outlook. I personally noticed that it was much harder to become angry, which is a thing I have to constantly try to be aware of.
Not true. LSD is derived from ergot, a naturally occurring fungus. The first psychedelic use of LSD was accidental, when about a century ago during a village celebration in Europe a bunch of people ate bread with the ergot fungus. The laboratory isolation of the active compounds makes LSD semi-synthetic.
All a reasonable person would ask is that you allow other people to seek mental, emotional, and spiritual fulfillment in the way they see fit, so long as they don't cause real problems for others (lying, cheating, stealing, being a nuisance and causing public disturbances, violence, etc).
I also agree there is a lot of new age spiritualist woo woo nonsense surrounding it that has done damage to the advocacy movement.
That’s fine by me. I’ve read/heard that PTSD can be helped via the usage of some psychedelics. Those who use it and find it to be helpful— more power to them.
PTSD, and also things like depression as well. They can also help recalibrate your mind's reward systems and help break addictive behaviors and tendencies too. They helped me not only quit opiates, but re-evaluate and deprogram myself from the tendencies towards escapism and self-destruction that made me turn to them in the first place. I believe there is immense potential to help many more like me. That is why I advocate so vehemently against prohibition.
During alcohol prohibition of the 1920s the risk premium allowed organized crime to become wealthy and powerful. Modern drug prohibitionists learned this lesson, which is why we’ve seen politicians criticize drugs in public while privately profiting from CIA-run drug importation.
Yes. And if you press pro-prohibition people, their only real solution is to just dramatically escalate draconian punishments, or use appeal to legalism rather than morality as justification.
Sure, if you become a totalitarian police state with mass surveillance everywhere and execute everyone who smokes a single joint, you can probably eradicate weed smokers.
Do you... really want to live in that kind of a police state though?
Also Alzheimer’s. It’s amazing what mushrooms do for people with Alzheimer’s. It gives them an entirely new lease on life. It doesn’t cure the disease, but it takes away the depression and the anxiety and the sadness.
After partaking in both weed and shrooms at reasonable doses, I find shrooms to be much more tolerable at a lower dose. It is a similar feeling but I was far more clear headed after taking the shrooms than something like a marijuana edible
The single biggest rule of pharmacology and drugs in general is that different substances affect different people differently. There is a range of effects they can have, but everyone's body still reacts a little differently.
I am 12 years clean on opiates, almost ruined my life over them because I loved them too much. Psychedelics helped me quit. Never had a taste for hardcore stimulants though. Tried a couple many years ago in my wild phase but I never got hooked because I much preferred to be knocked out by downers rather than strung out on uppers.
Agreed. It opens up the mind/soul to peer and interact beyond the veil that the Almighty placed between our worlds. God also warned us not to go there. Why? Because we are simply not prepared to interact with that reality and the consequences are heavy. It gives the other side's entities permission to enter into this world using psychedelics as a conduit. Human possession is a real thing and we are starting to see the evidence on our own streets. It has been a regular thing in other places where there is godlessness. We in the West are unprepared for what has been currently taking place because some of this evil is being perpetrated by non human entities. The battle in the heavenly realm is manifesting here in the physical world. My spiritual awakening relies on God.
Psychedelics have been used to communicate with nature and in religious rituals for thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
Your own agency and free will do not go away in altered states of consciousness.
Demons rely on contracts and temptations to sway you. If you're right with the universe and with God, they will never have any sway over you no matter what state of mind you are in.
“Demons rely on contracts and temptations to sway you. If you're right with the universe and with God, they will never have any sway over you no matter what state of mind you are in.”
You’re correct in your assessment of how they work. Now think about how many are not right with God and have no idea what they may agree to while under the influence.
Have you seen The Exorcist movie - the first one? Did you know that the book it was based on used real case studies? I’m smart enough to know that I’m ignorant of a whole lot of things, especially when it comes to the spiritual realm. I do know that demons exist and satan is real and when it comes to dabbling in that region, I have no footing.
These entities are master liars and very subtle. They do not rely on "contracts." Passive agreement through participation is all that is necessary. They also want to cross through the veil between our worlds.
As followers of God, we are forbidden to delve into "pharmakia" to "communicate" with the spirit world. This is true in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Why? Because it touches a spiritual reality domain that is not ours - our domain is the physical realm. Our spiritual connection is exclusive only to God. And yes, for thousands of years people have been using these compounds to reach the other side, but that does not make it okay. It opens a door that is difficult to close. Some people are stronger minded, but it is not a guarantee. I will stay with the rules God put before us for our own safety. I have personally witnessed enough hell in people's lives that thought they could safely play with the spirit world. No thanks.
Exactly. People simply do not realize what they are messing with. Once that portal is opened, only God can close it. Think about it. Our country started going bonkers with violence in the streets back in the sixties - think LSD and other psychoactive compounds. The insanity has only gotten worse. Evil has been unleashed. I like RFK, but promoting psychedelics is a big mistake. But then again, it may all be part of God's end time plan to bring about the return of Messiah and bring redemption to the world. God is in control.
No kidding. I can tell by the downtoots. It just shows the level of darkness that clouds the heart from hearing the brutal truth - even on this forum. The wheat is being separated from the tares.
Yep it's sad. Anything that alters your mind opens doors and you don't know who will walk through it. Lot of junkies on here who want their cake and to eat it too, legalize substances so they can abuse it with impunity.
No need to tar all conservatives with one brush. Lots of conservatives opposed prohibition then, and conservatives still support deregulation in many forms.
It's easy to see double standards today, because many current laws have zero relation to the will of the people. And evidence of psychedelic drugs doing harm is easy to find.
Your efforts might be more productive if you concentrated more on highlighting their benefits and making a case for how they can help people, and less on statements that sound like you're calling conservatives out for being close-minded luddites. Obviously jmo, but a few examples of success stories might go a long way. Cheers.
It's all relative. All I meant was more benefits, less "you're unprepared / don't understand." Catching more flies with honey than with vinegar, that's all.
Thanks. I think testimonials will open people up. Even so, it's foolish to expose your most inner experiences to the wrong people; discretion is warranted. And did you find Him? Did you have a guide or mentor for the prep and the experience?
My experience was that i started to think about all of the ways i had ever been wronged in my life… and there was a lot!
every time someone let a door slam in my face, every time i waved at someone and they didn’t wave back, every time i got cut off in traffic, every time i got cut in line…
but then i started to think about all the ways i had wronged others in my life… and there was a lot!
what i found out was that your mind keeps track of all these wrongs, and each one of them gnaws at you forever, making you angry and bitter
but the flip side is that you know you inflicted all these wrongs on all these other people, who also dwell on them endlessly
In the end, i was a puddle of emotion, and felt as if i was being judged by an assembly of harsh critics,
and the lead critic explained to me, that my bad actions were fucking it up for everybody
And to illustrate the point, i imagined an orchestra making beautiful music,
It is not lost on me that Donald Trump's policy on legal cannabis was actually far better than Obama's. As a worker in the legal cannabis industry for many years, Trump was way better for us than Obama.
Obama still was harassing and raiding legal operations operating within state law. Trump only goes after international cartels bringing stuff over the border.
He was actually protecting legalized state-compliant weed produced in the states.
Thanks for the reminder. I am a fan of Dr. Kruse and Dr. Courtney Hunt, and while I can’t pretend to understand the HOW, it’s clear that we have been lied to extensively about how important the sun and regular fasting with proper diet is. We can activate our own stem cells (mostly we don’t) based on how we live. We don’t need pHarma. Psychedelics do have great potential and should be respected for their value not feared or used recreationally imho.
So you quit one drug for another? My mother was a junkie she would quit one drug with another and again and again maybe throw in alcohol from time to time. Your still a junkie you never changed. Find Jesus get clean for real.
Psychedelics are very good for you. Probably a very unpopular opinion here, I know. But I speak from experience. There's reasons why they were made illegal. And I know what those reasons are.
In for everything above except the psychedelics, but if your honest with yourself we wouldn't need any of this stuff if the government didn't mess with our food, mess with anything and everything in our lives. Your sick because they made you sick and your lifestyle choices. People just seem to want to constantly alter their minds and get fucked up, people will just abuse the psychedelics just like the legal weed.
I'm just here to say here and now that most conservatives are not prepared for how hard their world is going to be rocked if all the suppressed research on psychedelics starts coming out.
I’m gonna pass on the psychedelics, but you feel free to indulge. If mediums are touting it I’m gonna avoid it. I don’t need to alter my subconscious mind.
You don't have to take enough to alter your subconscious at all -- micro dosing has been a thing for quite a while, you don't get 'high' like you would on a Friday night with those same mushrooms in bigger doses. Also have to remember that natural psychedelics are a completely different animal than synthetic ones. Mushrooms and acid, for example; can be quite similar in effects yet the mushrooms grow in the ground and the acid is 100% synthetic chemicals like brake cleaner and strict 9 and a lot of chemicals in acid can stay in your system forever and collect in your spine ( nervous system CPU )
In actually, you'll be opening your subconscious, but that's another ball game all together.
And don't take me wrong; I fully believe and stand by the fact that not everything is for everyone and not everything works for everyone.
micro dosing shrooms fixes my vision no need for contact lenses, no more brain fog.
dang! We need your testimony, fren. In it's entirety.
Yes please
LSD occurs naturally..... Mushroom micro dosing has helped me in incredible ways. I haven't been doing it for years. I'd really like to get back to it. During the few months that I practiced it, several people that know me well said some very complimentary things to me about my attitude / outlook. I personally noticed that it was much harder to become angry, which is a thing I have to constantly try to be aware of.
Not true. LSD is derived from ergot, a naturally occurring fungus. The first psychedelic use of LSD was accidental, when about a century ago during a village celebration in Europe a bunch of people ate bread with the ergot fungus. The laboratory isolation of the active compounds makes LSD semi-synthetic.
Yes, but acid isn't real LSD anymore, stopped being made with real LSD in the 70s
Fraud is a different issue, and it could be solved with legalization.
Yeah exactly that's a problem that only exists in black markets.
They should be called uncontrolled substances…
neither is weed
As with all things, the key is moderation :)
I won't force you to do anything.
All a reasonable person would ask is that you allow other people to seek mental, emotional, and spiritual fulfillment in the way they see fit, so long as they don't cause real problems for others (lying, cheating, stealing, being a nuisance and causing public disturbances, violence, etc).
I also agree there is a lot of new age spiritualist woo woo nonsense surrounding it that has done damage to the advocacy movement.
That’s fine by me. I’ve read/heard that PTSD can be helped via the usage of some psychedelics. Those who use it and find it to be helpful— more power to them.
PTSD, and also things like depression as well. They can also help recalibrate your mind's reward systems and help break addictive behaviors and tendencies too. They helped me not only quit opiates, but re-evaluate and deprogram myself from the tendencies towards escapism and self-destruction that made me turn to them in the first place. I believe there is immense potential to help many more like me. That is why I advocate so vehemently against prohibition.
Prohibition doesn’t ever seem to work to keep people away from any type of substance.
During alcohol prohibition of the 1920s the risk premium allowed organized crime to become wealthy and powerful. Modern drug prohibitionists learned this lesson, which is why we’ve seen politicians criticize drugs in public while privately profiting from CIA-run drug importation.
Very good analogy.
Yes. And if you press pro-prohibition people, their only real solution is to just dramatically escalate draconian punishments, or use appeal to legalism rather than morality as justification.
Sure, if you become a totalitarian police state with mass surveillance everywhere and execute everyone who smokes a single joint, you can probably eradicate weed smokers.
Do you... really want to live in that kind of a police state though?
no, I really really don’t.
Also Alzheimer’s. It’s amazing what mushrooms do for people with Alzheimer’s. It gives them an entirely new lease on life. It doesn’t cure the disease, but it takes away the depression and the anxiety and the sadness.
After partaking in both weed and shrooms at reasonable doses, I find shrooms to be much more tolerable at a lower dose. It is a similar feeling but I was far more clear headed after taking the shrooms than something like a marijuana edible
The single biggest rule of pharmacology and drugs in general is that different substances affect different people differently. There is a range of effects they can have, but everyone's body still reacts a little differently.
I am 12 years clean on opiates, almost ruined my life over them because I loved them too much. Psychedelics helped me quit. Never had a taste for hardcore stimulants though. Tried a couple many years ago in my wild phase but I never got hooked because I much preferred to be knocked out by downers rather than strung out on uppers.
Agreed. It opens up the mind/soul to peer and interact beyond the veil that the Almighty placed between our worlds. God also warned us not to go there. Why? Because we are simply not prepared to interact with that reality and the consequences are heavy. It gives the other side's entities permission to enter into this world using psychedelics as a conduit. Human possession is a real thing and we are starting to see the evidence on our own streets. It has been a regular thing in other places where there is godlessness. We in the West are unprepared for what has been currently taking place because some of this evil is being perpetrated by non human entities. The battle in the heavenly realm is manifesting here in the physical world. My spiritual awakening relies on God.
Psychedelics have been used to communicate with nature and in religious rituals for thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
Your own agency and free will do not go away in altered states of consciousness.
Demons rely on contracts and temptations to sway you. If you're right with the universe and with God, they will never have any sway over you no matter what state of mind you are in.
“Demons rely on contracts and temptations to sway you. If you're right with the universe and with God, they will never have any sway over you no matter what state of mind you are in.”
You’re correct in your assessment of how they work. Now think about how many are not right with God and have no idea what they may agree to while under the influence. Have you seen The Exorcist movie - the first one? Did you know that the book it was based on used real case studies? I’m smart enough to know that I’m ignorant of a whole lot of things, especially when it comes to the spiritual realm. I do know that demons exist and satan is real and when it comes to dabbling in that region, I have no footing.
These entities are master liars and very subtle. They do not rely on "contracts." Passive agreement through participation is all that is necessary. They also want to cross through the veil between our worlds.
As followers of God, we are forbidden to delve into "pharmakia" to "communicate" with the spirit world. This is true in Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Why? Because it touches a spiritual reality domain that is not ours - our domain is the physical realm. Our spiritual connection is exclusive only to God. And yes, for thousands of years people have been using these compounds to reach the other side, but that does not make it okay. It opens a door that is difficult to close. Some people are stronger minded, but it is not a guarantee. I will stay with the rules God put before us for our own safety. I have personally witnessed enough hell in people's lives that thought they could safely play with the spirit world. No thanks.
Well said, Death!
This is my exact reasoning on why I won’t partake. I can’t control what others choose to do.
Exactly. People simply do not realize what they are messing with. Once that portal is opened, only God can close it. Think about it. Our country started going bonkers with violence in the streets back in the sixties - think LSD and other psychoactive compounds. The insanity has only gotten worse. Evil has been unleashed. I like RFK, but promoting psychedelics is a big mistake. But then again, it may all be part of God's end time plan to bring about the return of Messiah and bring redemption to the world. God is in control.
Amazing that even on this board there are those who do not want to hear the truth about the Evil that is all around us.
No kidding. I can tell by the downtoots. It just shows the level of darkness that clouds the heart from hearing the brutal truth - even on this forum. The wheat is being separated from the tares.
It’s disheartening to say the least.
Yep it's sad. Anything that alters your mind opens doors and you don't know who will walk through it. Lot of junkies on here who want their cake and to eat it too, legalize substances so they can abuse it with impunity.
I am. Spores are legal to purchase and grow kits are stupid simple to operate.
/r/UncleBens
This short clip that RFK posted explains why he became open to psychedelics:
https://youtu.be/54kwyH2GtYM
Psilocybin treatment extends cellular lifespan and improves survival of aged mice:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41514-025-00244-x
There is lots of fascinating research like this if you start to dig deeper.
No need to tar all conservatives with one brush. Lots of conservatives opposed prohibition then, and conservatives still support deregulation in many forms.
True. My stance is actually completely aligned with Ron Paul, who is conservative/libertarian.
However, a lot of the loudest voices in favor of the most restrictive policies and draconian punishments are overwhelmingly conservative in nature.
It's easy to see double standards today, because many current laws have zero relation to the will of the people. And evidence of psychedelic drugs doing harm is easy to find.
Your efforts might be more productive if you concentrated more on highlighting their benefits and making a case for how they can help people, and less on statements that sound like you're calling conservatives out for being close-minded luddites. Obviously jmo, but a few examples of success stories might go a long way. Cheers.
I've been talking about benefits this entire thread, haven't you been paying attention?
It's all relative. All I meant was more benefits, less "you're unprepared / don't understand." Catching more flies with honey than with vinegar, that's all.
you can do some prep, like set and setting,
but you can never really be prepared for your first big trip
people seem highly suggestable,
and if they expect to see pink dragons, then they will see pink dragons…
but i expected to find God…
Thanks. I think testimonials will open people up. Even so, it's foolish to expose your most inner experiences to the wrong people; discretion is warranted. And did you find Him? Did you have a guide or mentor for the prep and the experience?
My experience was that i started to think about all of the ways i had ever been wronged in my life… and there was a lot!
every time someone let a door slam in my face, every time i waved at someone and they didn’t wave back, every time i got cut off in traffic, every time i got cut in line…
but then i started to think about all the ways i had wronged others in my life… and there was a lot!
what i found out was that your mind keeps track of all these wrongs, and each one of them gnaws at you forever, making you angry and bitter
but the flip side is that you know you inflicted all these wrongs on all these other people, who also dwell on them endlessly
In the end, i was a puddle of emotion, and felt as if i was being judged by an assembly of harsh critics,
and the lead critic explained to me, that my bad actions were fucking it up for everybody
And to illustrate the point, i imagined an orchestra making beautiful music,
And some heckler in the crowd…
The heckler was fucking it up for everybody
New metal band name?
“The Hecklers - Fucking It Up For Everybody”
It is not lost on me that Donald Trump's policy on legal cannabis was actually far better than Obama's. As a worker in the legal cannabis industry for many years, Trump was way better for us than Obama.
Obama still was harassing and raiding legal operations operating within state law. Trump only goes after international cartels bringing stuff over the border.
He was actually protecting legalized state-compliant weed produced in the states.
Shrooms can reset your mind to almost the same stage of innocence and discovery of where it began.
yes its an excellent way to un-fuck your brain
you don’t realize how fucked your brain becomes growing up in modern society
kids 100,000 years ago didn’t have to learn to read and write at the 12th grade level
mix in all the other bullshit like history, science, etc
and pretty soon you have kids believing the universe started with a “big bang”
kinda like genesis 1:1
Thanks for the reminder. I am a fan of Dr. Kruse and Dr. Courtney Hunt, and while I can’t pretend to understand the HOW, it’s clear that we have been lied to extensively about how important the sun and regular fasting with proper diet is. We can activate our own stem cells (mostly we don’t) based on how we live. We don’t need pHarma. Psychedelics do have great potential and should be respected for their value not feared or used recreationally imho.
I am 13 years clean from opiates.
Guess what helped me quit for good?
That’s amazing! I am happy for your success and that you were awake enough then to pursue something considered unconventional.
Thanks fren. All I want is for all the other frens to get healthy like I did.
Excellent! Awesome work! :-) ... I was going to post about this, but hearing it first hand is better.
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So you quit one drug for another? My mother was a junkie she would quit one drug with another and again and again maybe throw in alcohol from time to time. Your still a junkie you never changed. Find Jesus get clean for real.
Psychedelics are very good for you. Probably a very unpopular opinion here, I know. But I speak from experience. There's reasons why they were made illegal. And I know what those reasons are.
I did psychedelics night & haver been doing for 30+ years. No alcohol at all, its like a reboot for your brain.
In for everything above except the psychedelics, but if your honest with yourself we wouldn't need any of this stuff if the government didn't mess with our food, mess with anything and everything in our lives. Your sick because they made you sick and your lifestyle choices. People just seem to want to constantly alter their minds and get fucked up, people will just abuse the psychedelics just like the legal weed.