Did Israel LIE to Trump to get the U.S. into the war with Iran?
The White House is reportedly FURIOUS...
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Do people really think that Trump is that stupid? I think not.
Do you remember I think last year when Trump said that Bibi was trying to trick him? Something like that. And cut off communications with him?
Actually I don't.
There are very few people, especially leaders, that Trump completely trusts. He did not get to where he is by being fooled by anyone. So I doubt very seriously that Bibi tricked Trump into taking action in Iran like some think. Trump had his own reasons for engaging. He allied with Israel because he knows that Israel would be chomping at the bit to do something like that. So who was playing who?
Well that did happened. I think during that 12 days when Iran was turning Israel into Gaza.
IMO this is the narrative the WH are using to educate the normies and set up ISR for last
Benny, TC, MSM, whoever... many are being used and are parroting what they are fed which leads to predictable behavior which in turn has the desired effect of controlled journalism aka propaganda a la reverse social engineering.
I would highly encourage frogs here to not get so emotionally invested in what any pundit is spewing. It's all a choreographed dance. Some are being instructed to do what they are doing, some are being fed information both true and false, and the outliers are either rage baiters, the few remaining DS assets, or crayon brained anon channels.
I agree with you if I am reading you correctly. Underlying all of it, whether willingly or unwillingly, information can be controlled - that is information warfare. However, human nature can take different forms and that is a variable not always completely predictable. Those variables do exist depending on who is being dealt with. That is just the name of the game - some are more predictable than others. Journalists however, are possibly the most predictable of the bunch and Trump is a master of press manipulation.
My point was that Trump is at the top of that intellectual hierarchy. He is more likely to be the player in scenarios and not the played. The very idea that Trump is being played by Bibi is laughable and unrealistic. It may appear that way on the surface, but only because that is the way Trump wants it to appear for whatever his reasoning and game plan are in a particular situation. You are right in that people need to simply calm down and not get their nickers in a knot and let the situation play out remembering that Trump is calling the shots.
We're on the same page fren. No worries at all.
Absolutely. What is being argued is for the normies. WH absolutely want the public to assume ISR has control and influence of our govt (they did, but behind the scenes they no longer do).
When +20% of the active voting block (Evangelical normies) has been indoctrinated via their institutions corrupted by the insane doomsday zealots that we're discussing, you have to reverse this social engineering while course correcting public opinion to fit the desired narrative.
On the surface it looks exactly what it looks like: Blame ISR for everything. And, that is intentional or predictable outcomes... or both, by WH.
By the end of this whole Iran mess we will completely control the Western Hemisphere in terms of energy, ISR will become the scapegoat that they deservingly should be, the Iranian arm of the crumbling DS machine becomes controlled/neutered, and POTUS will come out on tippy top squeaky clean like he always does.
Agreed fren. Trump is flipping the global chessboard along with long held narratives of how it all works. People are usually not comfortable with change and scream in their anxiety when their perceived comfort zone is threatened. Life is full of change and the world is not a constant.
Many people do!! They DO! But POTUS has made it a specialty of his, to be underestimated.
I agree. Trump lives in many people's heads rent free - both on the right and the left. He is the Master Troller and press manipulator. Personally I find it very entertaining to see him in action. Those losing their minds are in reality, the stupid ones.
The CIA Director called Bibi Netanyahu’s intelligence: “Farcical”
Rubio called it: “Total Bullshit” President Trump asked General Caine about Bibi’s Intel:
Gen. Caine: “Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that’s why they’re hard-selling.”
Uh oh… Benny Johnson is now questioning whether or not Israel is really our greatest ally after citing NYT article detailing how Netanyahu and the Mossad fabricated/lied about intelligence to lure the U.S. into a war with Iran
My Immediately thoughts.
It’s NYT so meh… I’m always Leery about the NYT.. but apparently this is from the White House and it is a very detailed report that does make sense. However I’m taking with a grain of salt, but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Benny is now immediately being labled an antisemite for going after “the Jews”… which is stupid and wrong. Benny is not antisemitic.
What do you think?
His Full Video here https://www.youtube.com/watch Sauce= https://x.com/MJTruthUltra/status/2042035476471611700
Jerusalem_Post- Israeli leaders lash out over the ceasefire agreement with Iran, with opposition leader Yair Lapid calling it a failure of political and strategic leadership, while MK Zvika Fogel from Otzma Yehudit said, "Trump wimped out." https://x.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/2041804502022377486
Fake news. Israel is Trump’s bitch. Not the other way around. Trump is totally remaking the Middle East.
It would be extremely stupid to believe anything that comes out of Netanyahu's mouth.
So where does that leave us?
We bombed the wrong country.
Q started making the case for dealing with roque nuclear states about 8 years ago. I think Iran is mentioned in almost 50 drops, including a drop calling for regime change there. Israel may have lied, but the die was cast a long time ago, meaning their lies didn’t influence POTUS.
u/#q1558
Seriously, we are so past these same old psyops and focusing on the World being controlled by the British Empire using oil and insurance as one of their pillars of control, and you guys think "Trump had no idea, and Israel manipulated him"
Sheese guys, grow up.
Some time like a year ago , Trump was pissed saying that Bibi was trying to manipulate him and cut off communications with him. Was in the news and posted here. Just because he knows that's what they do, doesn't mean they don't still try. Maybe he wants everyone looking and connecting dots.
Lets see if I can point out the difference between these two sentences:
"Israel lied to Trump" -> Very much possible. Infact, hard to believe otherwise.
"Trump started the war because of these lies" -> This is where retardedness comes. Absolutely no way you can follow Q and watch the whole Plan unfold for the last 10 years and still think that Trump doesn't have the full picture.
"White House reportedly FURIOUS" -> You will believe this only if you believed 2, which again leads to retardedness.
Reality would look something like this:
Trump knows very well that Iran needs to be neutralized and Oil chokepoints cleaned up.
Trump also knows he needs Israel to take the brunt of this operation.
Israel lies to Trump
Trump pretends to believe it and pretends he is attacking Iran because of these lies
Trump accomplishes all the goals, but Israel realises their goals do not match Americas
Israel feels fooled.
If you invert this: "Trump let Israel fool themselves into a war for the benefit of America and now they realise it they are FURIOUS" then we get to the truth of the situation.
Rule of thumb "When they accuse you of something, they are projecting"
Yes you are right. But has there ever been a war-plan or battle-plan that hasn't had to adapt to accomplish the objective? To think it's all going to be perfect and 100% go exactly how we think is silly.
How it started: "Trump had no idea and attacked Iran only because Israel lied to him"
How its going: "has there ever been a war-plan or battle-plan that hasn't had to adapt to accomplish the objective?"
I would call that progress.
Started and Going- They both could have happened. I'm pretty sure the latter has happened and going on. The mission creep was burning bright. That was the plan adapting. I know Israel and London are freaking out. And when they are in panic mode , we are winning.
Not a chance. Trump knew exactly what Iran was even 39 years ago.
He spent a ton of money and took out this ad in 1987
No way, no how anyone can try to convince me "Trump had no idea and attacked Iran only because Israel lied to him"
To this day, he is the only politician I have come across who hasn't changed their stance even decades later.
I agree with both of you frogs, and here's how:
The normie optics are being presented throughout alt media as u/mmtwo has delineated.
The plan as we know it supports what you have espoused u/bubbles_bursts
However, I think you are both missing the picture here. The narrative that ISR is the muh bad-guy in all of this is one being injected by WH into the alt-media scene. Benny, TC, MSM, whoever... many are being used and are parroting what they are fed which leads to predictable behavior which in turn has the desired effect of controlled journalism aka propaganda a la reverse social engineering.
It's all a big choreographed dance. This is how WH are setting up the narrative and optics for public acceptance of ISR for last.
I respectfully disagree. But thank you for the chat, and all the help you've given me over all these years. Because of the T.B.I. I can't filter or narrow down. I take everything in. And my Frens here and all the MODS even past ones have helped me with my recovery. So thank you.
If the White House is exceptionally furious with anyone. It’s likely the influencers, and news media. Including the ‘Citizen Journalists’ online. Who are pedaling either bullshit at worst. About what is or isn’t happening. Or half-assed stories while only having half the facts. Facts they put a spin on to suit whatever narrative suits their political interests and generates revenue. Performative Outrage and Anger sells better than lengthy investigations and fact finding.
It’s also not a coincidence they’ve been sacking people left-right and center. And going to more effort to plug leaks now.
They’re undoubtedly angry with the Israelis. But nowhere near as much as the professional influencers would lead us to believe. They’ve been in the game long enough to know how much is likely bullshit.
Also, https://x.com/i/status/2042050749677375532
According to the NYT from the comments.
I know but i'm glad I watched it.
I just find it hard to belive,Trump doesn't know they are lying fuktards.....
We do.
Bibi is avoiding jail and his only hope is WWIII. So I'm sure you an trust that genocidal maniac.
Synagogue of Satan … prince of lies
Greatest ally is really the greatest liar.
So I didn't watch it all as this feels like a broken clock moment with NY times being the primary source. Yes I think Nyetanmeow (as the Italians call him, unironically btw) was lying to trump. No I do not think he bought the lie. There were two or three occasions before the war started in Feb where Israel was chomping at the bit and we held back.
I think Trump took the plans, reworked them with his senior officers to a functional state, set deliberate achievable goals, and let Israel think we had them backed up to the hilt. Now we will start seeing cracks in the alliance and Nyt is trying to get ahead of this now that the ceasefire is on the table. That is still all according to plan.
I expected the ceasefire to be violated by Iran because it is a force with no effective cic now. It's control system is broken and it's split into a factional set of fighters. Israel will now take more punishment instead of trump is my prediction.
Benny has been entirely full of shit lately. More than once. Read someone else if you want facts not drama.
BINGO
So if this is true, how does it fit in with White Hats being in control, everything is going according to The Plan, and President Trump outsmarting everyone with 5D chess?
Hmmm. NYT is left-leaning MSM.
Benny is a Republican-leaning podcaster, with Washungton contacts, and yet he is not denying that Israel oversold the war on Iran ..
Interdasting, regarding Saving Israel for last drawer.
Mind you, NYT is known for fabricating references (as in: according to someone in the know), but the descriptions of the seating arrangement suggests that the reporter was in the room. Furthermore certain level-headed individuals are picked out, that is: Rubio, Vance and Gen. Caine - which seems to me some Arse-covering and Political preservation. So doubt sets in in my camp.
But everyone seems to agree that Netandyahoo lied to Trump. < as in throwing him under the bus.