It's unbelievable because it is impossible. The reality exists. My father personally walked through the ruins of Nagasaki, a massive destruction accomplished with one bomber. The injuries of the survivors were distinctive to nuclear effects. Those who didn't survive were memorialized by flash shadows on still-standing walls. We had a foretaste with the test at Alamagordo. I have samples of trinitite, uniquely created by the flash of the blast, fusing the desert sand together. My career involved a Classified Nuclear Weapon Design Information (CNWDI) clearance. I've studied the physics of nuclear reactions. It is the same process that runs in every nuclear reactor, which are profuse throughout the world. A nuclear detonation produces a distinctive dual-pulse flash in the atmosphere, for reasons resulting from the specific physics of the production of a plasma cloud. I worked in nuclear strategic defense at a prominent contractor of nuclear delivery systems, the Boeing Company (B-47, B-52, LGM-30 Minuteman ICBM, AGM-69 SRAM, and AGM-86 ALCM). Part of my specialization was understanding the weapon effects of a nuclear device in outer space (much different than in atmosphere). I was once in line to be read into an actual "Q clearance" for a nuclear weapon program, but the program was canceled.

And other nations have them. We know this by their demonstration. We have developed satellites (Vela) that are equipped to detect the distinctive dual-pulse flash of an air burst. They have been tested underground, detectable by seismograph. Air bursts and underground bursts can also be verified by aircraft carrying equipment to take air samples to detect tell-tale radioactive isotopes. A late colleague was a former Air Force Lieutenant Colonel responsible for digging out the test tunnels used for blast instrumentation. He died of cancerous effects resulting from the exposure to underground water containing tritium, a component of the fusion charge. Atomic espionage resulted in the conviction of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and their subsequent execution. Fake operations don't result in death sentences. Our first test of a thermonuclear weapon (Ivy Mike) vaporized the Pacific island of Elugelab (10.4 Megatons yield). Read that number. It would have taken 10.4 million tons of TNT to approximate that blast, infeasible to assemble. The people who think any of this could be faked have no understanding of the energy or physics involved. There is no reason that nations like Iran would be conducting serious programs in great secrecy to obtain a nuclear weapon if the whole subject was merely a mirage.

There is absolutely no conspiracy. You can read all about it in "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" by Glasstone and Dolan (1977), available from Amazon. (This includes details of the blast survivors.) Considerable unclassified technical information is available at www.nuclearweaponarchive.org. How can all this hard science be available if the whole subject is a fantasy?

I sampled the document provided at the link. It takes less than two pages to find that the authors have absolutely no understanding of the physics of a nuclear detonation, and what produces the radiation and the blast. And it is therefore clear they have not studied the readily available literature (mentioned above) to research the subject as due diligence before they commenced their rebuttal. So, it is sloppy rhetoric from the outset.

All this is hard information. Read and learn. Don't fall for a mythology dreamed up by ignorant advocates.

Thanks, Cats.

I came to the topic fairly enough, from comms as Q instructed us. And it's definitely a WW2 item that history books treat very differently depending when they were written. And like Sandy Hook and 9/11, the evidence kept accumulating. But I'm not pushy about it, it's not for everyone.

Agreed that it's unbelievable because there is too much wrong here. There is a bunch of issues with the logic involved, and data not taken into account. I could probably write a book on how this book is beyond wrong. The physics is wrong (down right ignorant), the hospital is wrong because funnily enough it wasn't just blown out windows in the end, and i dunno about the medical signature but the post event radiation poisoning doesn't appear to be addressed at all.

My dad's dad, although not part of the enola gay crew, managed to get a photo of the event in question post hoc, having been stationed in the south pacific as part of the air force bomber command. The bomb was dropped, and there aren't many pics of it from the air, but I have one of them from that time.

The article reads like an advert - buy my book to find out the real story, but for something like this merely saying "there's war docs making this claim" isn't strong enough. I need to be able to read them. I've got hundreds of pages of my grandfather's flight history, enough to open a museum about the man (something I'm considering as he was a war hero in Korea where he died saving a cre of greenhorn, and was even called out to the roswell incident). This alternative scenario is apparently on record so show the records, or at least give us a citation ffs.

On the flip side, I took japanese as a kid. My teacher was a little old japanese woman, sweet as honey, who literally was like all japanese kids in the 40s - doing war drills up until those bombs fell. She told my class what that period was like, and how the Japanese who lived through it reacted. Most treat it as a moment of national shame, a period of extreme hubris that got two cities nearly wiped off the map.

Then there is the guy who lived through both bombings. Tsutomu Yamaguchi lived and worked in Nagasaki and was on a business trip with two colleagues, making their way back after a three month stint in Hiroshima. He saw the enola gay fly over, saw the first bomb flash, and suffered serious burns from the blast. He goes back home, and starts going back to work 3 days later 3km away from the upcoming fat man blast, looking like a mummy. He tells his supervisor what happened, and they struggle to comprehend it, until that same day fat man comes falling from the sky for both of them to see and experience from a good "safe" distance.

Now let's finally talk about the elephant in the room - the book seems to be indicating that no nukes have ever been made. "explosions need expanding gas and fission produces none" - what the actual fuck. It's comparison conventional bomb blasts to fission blasts. The hell? I studied chem and physics for years, and the amount of energy released by simple fission, let alone fusion like in an h bomb, beggars belief. It's pretty clear the guy seems to be working from a false premise. On top of that he compares reactors, devices using 3-5% enriched uranium as being the same chemically as bombs, which use 90% enriched uranium to achieve fission. Apple, meet orange.

Then there is the documented evidence of all the bloody testing we have done since then. It's not like we never dropped any more bombs. America has nuked itself far more than any other place, and most of our allies have dropped more nukes on us test sites than we ever dropped in war time.

Oh and Shima Hospital? Sure it "survived" along with a few similarly built buildings, although I quibble with how well it did out of the blast. it was about 1.5km from the epicenter, and was made of reinforced concrete unlike basically everything else nearby. It didn't survive unscathed though - the roof came off, the windows were blown out and it suffered massive scorching outside. There is a photo of it soon after the blast here

Sorry but I'm gonna need more than a trust me bro to believe this is remotely credible. Honestly I don't need to read his book to know I'm being told a fiction here, and I'm sure as hell not buying it when all the article has done is hijack my amygdala for the past couple hours to write this rebuttal.

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Seems to me we have been told No Nukes / Nuclear war at least once ?

yes i have been there too i am sure all the destruction was fake....NOT

Welcome, fren. A strange time indeed.

... the photos don’t match a nuclear event.

Did they have many photos of nuked real cities for comparison?

Just curious.

I didn't know about the Badlands show. But it seems that the idea is appearing more often now.

Growing up as a kid in 70 / 80’s Ireland, we had constant dooming about Russian nukes. Good job we practiced getting under our school desks or the stairs.

Thanks for the link

You flatter me.

The German nuclear weapon program was split up into many separate organizations with no coherent, unifying program, typical of Hitler's approach to keeping on top of bureaucracies. They made no progress because what little resource pie they had was divided into pieces too small to be productive.

There was no division over the nature of the physics involved. The basics had been published in the physics community years previously. The Einstein relationship has been conclusively verified by demonstration.

You are in error about any parity between the MOAB and Tsar Bomba. The MOAB was filled with 9.37 tons of H-6 explosive, equivalent to a blast yield of 11 tons of TNT. The Tsar Bomba was tested without its fission jacket and resulted in a blast yield of 50-58 megatons of TNT... a difference of a factor of 5-6 million. The fission jacket would have doubled the yield.

Large destructive bombs certainly exist. But even though it's circumstantial, the fact that in the 80 years since that war, not a single one has been used is telling.

And that's despite all the tech leaks, the declared and undeclared armed conflicts over the years with some involving nuclear powers, the tech miniaturization ("suitcase nukes"), security leaks and the fall of the Soviet Union.

Well, I personally believe that neither of the blasts were from single bombs, and that's what the biggest secret is: that nuclear bombs are true vaporware, extremely valuable propaganda and nothing more. And yet, regardless of whether that's true, proof is hard to come by. After all, it's among the most dangerous secrets government has.