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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't know if anything changed, but Iran and the Taliban were long standing enemies and after 9/11 they provided a lot of information to the US about Taliban hideouts, because the US had very little solid intel on Afghanistan.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

My point is the current Islamic extremism in the Iranian government was placed there by our own intelligence agency.

I think you're flat out wrong here and are off on some alternate history kick.

I see no way that history since 1978 squares with this.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 0 points ago +1 / -1

My God, are you kidding? WarMind, where is your mind? This is the exactly the thing I mentioned.....

but I also pointed out that IRAN EXISTED BEFORE 1953.

Did you even read your link?

On Aug. 19, 2013, the CIA publicly admitted for the first time its involvement in the 1953 coup against Iran's elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

Did you even notice that IRAN is mentioned in the first sentence? because it existed. They even had an elected prime minister....because they were LIKE I SAID, a constitutional monarchy.

Look at this

Kermit Roosevelt would orchestrate not one, but two attempts to destabilize the government of Iran

OMG there is again, Iran existed and had a government

Mohammad Mossadegh was a beloved figure in Iran.

WHOA!

Great Britain had controlled Iran's oil for decades

Iran existed for decades before the 1953 coup. OMG!

So just to be clear, Iran's been around a long long time. Persia was an empire in antiquity. Iran's border with Iraq was established in the 1600s which was before Iraq existed as it own country.

This is useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran

From ancient to modern times you had the Qajar dynasty (1796–1925) 7 Shahs all from the Qajar tribe.

This was followed by the Pahlavi dynasty who ruled from 1925 to 1979. 2 Shahs who were not from Pahlavi tribe....Pahlavi it turns out is a language, used in Persia before the Muslims took over, so he claimed this as his name to look like he was a part of history.

Now here's the part we've been arguing about. The Pahlavi dynasty like Iran existed before the CIA was even founded, but how they governed changed.

The dynasty ruled Iran for 28 years as a form of constitutional monarchy from 1925 until 1953, and following the overthrow of the democratically elected prime minister, for a further 26 years as a more autocratic monarchy until the dynasty was itself overthrown in 1979.

So Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was the last Shah of Iran, but there had been a bunch previously. Iran was a constitutional monarchy, even before this guy's dad took over as king. Wiki describes it this way

The U.S.- and UK-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on 19 August 1953.

So before 1953, there were two centers of Power in the country, the Shah and Prime Minister, afterwards there was one center of power. Then in 1979, you had another revolution and nows it's an Anti-American theocracy.

Thanks for the podcast though, it looks good.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +2 / -1

He's not an objective or first hand source. I just saw his tweet.

We have the press release on eventer, "peace" is never mentioned.

There's a bunch of utopian stuff you can hear at every rave in the world.

the central driving force behind it is a set of fundamental and important human values: Free love and spirit, environmental preservation, appreciation of rare natural values ​​that the festival embodies Every two years, it spreads the love for exquisite electronic music in all its variations, establishes an authentic connection to the social-artistic ideology, and channels all these elements for empowerment and the dissemination of the trance culture, which emerges as a universal cosmic light from the wild jungle and spreads throughout the world.

But it's not a political event.

The festival is out of Brazil and here's the language they use in Brazil https://universoparalello.org/

Amid the turmoil of these modern times, a window opens, an opportunity to experience something unique, radically different from the web of connections, commitments, the living wheel, the civilizational matrix of established rules to which we are subjected, in the routines of our lives. This space is created to allow the flourishing of a great collective organism that, for eight days, will radiate the energy of freedom, delight, encounter and celebration throughout the planet. And in these eight days of celebration, let us all be complicit... in building an atmosphere of freedom and tolerance.

Of creativity and boldness and a deep respect for nature, utopia is the key and the secret. The real gatewayto an authentic parallel universe

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well an account on Twitter made this claim. But nobody can confirm it's a real account.

An account called Taliban Public Relations Department has gone viral on X several times in recent weeks, despite the fact that there’s no evidence the account is actually controlled by anyone affiliated with the Taliban. An email to an associated account sent back an error message when I tried to confirm its authenticity two weeks ago, but the account went viral again on Saturday claiming the Taliban had sought permission from the governments of Iran and Iraq to travel to Gaza.

“This evening, the foreign office contacted his counterparts in #Iran, Iraq and Jordan, asking for permission for our men to cross their sovereign territory on their way to the holy land. We are preparing and hoping for the good news from our neighbours,” the tweet claims.

A journalist with English-language WIONews in India reports that a Taliban spokesperson has denied reports it had sought approval to travel through Iran and Iraq.

“An Afghan Taliban spox has refuted news item on social media that claims that the Taliban had reportedly sought permission from its neighbours to march to Gaza as False and Incorrect,” Ana Mallick tweeted on Saturday night.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +2 / -1

Dude Iran was literally crated by the CIA.

LOL

NO IRAN WAS NOT CREATED by the CIA. OMG.

Iran as the name of a land/country is a 1000 years old. This was the name Iranians used with some other variations. Outsiders called it Persia since antiquity. In 1935, the Shah of Iran at the time asked diplomats to begin using Iran as the name. it was still the same country, there had been Shahs in iran for hundreds of years.

The CIA was created in the 1947. The OSS which preceded the CIA was created in 1942.

So no Iran was not created by the CIA.

Do you think that control was ever removed?

Yes, I do.

What you are thinking of, is the 1953 coup in Iran where the US and UK helped overthrow the Prime Minister. Iran still had a Shah or King at the time, son of the guy who made everyone call it Iran and a Prime Minister. Since 1909 Iran was a constitutional Monarchy where the Shah wasn't that strong.

The coup did not CREATE Iran, the borders of Iran have been the same for a while. The Shah was in power, the Pahlavi dynasty started in 1925. What the coup did was make the Shah a dictator and overthrew the civilian side of the government.

And yes, the did lose their power. You must be young if you don't remember the Iranian revolution when the US embassy was overrun and embassy were taken hostage for 444 days.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was in open farmland. And October is the 50th Anniversary of of the 1973 war.

This press release on the Festival was online since at least June, so they had months to plan.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who funds Iran ???

Um, Iran.

Iran was the fifth-largest crude oil producer in OPEC in 2021 and the third-largest natural gas producer in the world in 2020.1

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dunno what you're referring to.

But fooling your enemy is usually considered a counter-intelligence coup. And that's the point I was trying to make.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

My guess is they are going find that Hamas had compromised their intelligence gathering and were feeding fake info into their system which affected their analysis.

Before the Invasion of Sicily in 1943 Britain and Allies spent some time trying to convince Germany we were going to invade through Greece.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah,

Trenton is the capital, so it would be like New Jersey nuking Atlantic City.

They are like 60 miles away.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's like declaring Nuclear war on Canada and bombing Toronto and Montreal.

Except that doesn't even cover it. It would be like bombing Philadelphia. And even that is still twice as far as Jerusalem is from the Gaza strip.

Israel is slightly bigger than New Jersey.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is not convincing given they had a big hearing September 28th that didn't go as planned.

Also the war in Israel did not start on 10/8. It started on 7 am local time Oct 7th before Washington DC was even awake.

This was the first update on the Times of Israel's liveblog which started at 7:19 am on the 7th.

Netanyahu, Gallant to meet security chiefs amid rising violence By EMANUEL FABIAN 7 October 2023, 7:26 am

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-gallant-to-meet-security-chiefs-amid-rising-violence/

This would be about midnight in DC as Israel is 7 hours ahead.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time with any theory calling Myanmar or Afghanistan assets.

Arab-Israeli conflict is an artificial division created by the Cabal, with Iran as the catalyst to maintain it

Um, Iranians are not Arabs. Iran is not Arabic country. And Israeli historically have fought Sunni Muslim enemies not Shiite Muslims like those who rule Iran today.

1948 war was almost all Sunnis. Lebanon barely did any fighting.

The 1950s Palestinian insurgency was sponsored by Egypt.

The 1967 6 day war, Multi country, but again no Iran. Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with support from Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria

1973 Yom Kippur war, lots of countries again no Iran. But Cuba! and North Korea!!! joined in ....this reflects the cold war era Arab socialism was a big trend. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Iran finally gets involved in the 1980's after the Iranian revolution in 1979 and Israel's invasion into Lebanon in 1982 against the PLO (Lebanon has a large Shiite population in the south.)

Even support for Hamas is supercomplicated. Hamas is a SUNNI Islamist organization coming out of the Muslim Brotherhood. Saudi Arabis used to supply 50% of their funding. Egypt was a big supporter to.

Saudi Arabia stopped funding them after the US urged them to after 9/11. Iran and Syria then stepped up their funding.....but during the Syrian civil war, Hamas supported the Sunni side and Iran and Syria cut funding. Iran stopped supporting the civilian side cutting out 90 million from what it used to give from $150, to 60 million, but that 60 were to military efforts.

The most reliable states who support Hamas are Qatar and Turkey. Both Sunni.

I mean look at this https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082

Netanyahu has been allowing money to flow to Hamas for years, his rationale would be it would weaken Palestinian statehood because it would weaken Mahmoud Abbas the president of the Palestinian National Authority who is from PLO/Fatah not Hamas.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 4 points ago +4 / -0

good catch

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/15/israel-says-government-sites-targeted-by-cyberattack-2

Israel says government sites targeted by cyberattack Israel’s defence establishment says it is not immediately clear who was behind what may be the largest ever cyberattack on the country.

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1991WhenAmericaWasGr 2 points ago +2 / -0

This attack was in place before the Iraq dollars were returned, it is still in Qatar.

I agree. One interesting thing, is the press release for the music festival went out in June at the latest.

Eventer https://www.eventer.co.il Jun 21, 2023 — Tribe Of Nova Proudly Presents UNIVERSO PARALELLO ISRAEL EDITION 6-7 October 2023 SUPERNOVA Sukkot Gathering Dear Tribe of Nova

If you planning an attack for 50th Anniversary of the 1973 Civil War this would look like a great target.

A music festival in open farmland in a town which is both close enough to the Gaza strip to be hit by rockets and named after people killed in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War

my question is why the intelligence was not on this. Mossad is considered the state of the art for intelligence.

I believe that this would be considered Domestic and thus it would be Shin Bet the internal security service, not Mossad. I just saw an interview where the person suggested there was probably an intelligence compromise....either Israel had informants who were really double agents for Hamas or that they compromised a secure communication channel like China did in the last decade.

If this happened they could be feed false information into the system and utterly fool the Israelis.

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