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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nothing very complex or organized. Just violent mobs out for predation, vandalism, or looting, with the occasional gratuitous murder. It would be a "civil" war by virtue of the fact the populace would be fighting between elements within itself. Not every civil war involves everyone.

But the evidence is that it would take something worse than even that description to make everyone "wake up." Maybe something akin to the Indian wars prevalent in pre-1800 Kentucky and Tennessee, where you resorted to arms or would be killed.

I have no developed theory about this and only put it forward as a condition that might indeed seem like a precipice to most all people, not just the choir. It could probably be quelled in short order by government action, but not without some terrifying preludes.

Have you ever been to an actual precipice? I have been to an outlook over the Black Canyon of the Gunnison in Colorado. Lean over the balustrade and you can see straight down for 1800 feet. One look and you are satisfied for the rest of your life and step back at least 3 feet. Or the crest of Niagara Falls, on a foot trail to the dividing island, where one false step could sweep you over the falls...and there were no guardrails. Those are real precipices where one could get REAL close, and even commit suicide. Doesn't much happen, even though people seem thrilled by the proximity. A stumble or a slip could change the equation drastically, however. And the concept of "control" is limited to either prevention, or rapid reaction.

Here's the thing: Yes, it is possible to appreciate political and social events as being an impending "precipice" on an intellectual level---but most people are not intellectuals. Half are not even above 100 I.Q. The only thing that will sink into those people will be real-life consequences and tangible manifestations. I'm just speaking as a realist.

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DeathRayDesigner 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is a year to go. Polling stations are not nuclear powerplants. Voting "machines" are not necessary. For the presidential election, it could all be write-in votes. Voting for state issues could proceed without change.

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

I know what you mean. My contrary nature reacts to that phrase with an automatic "Prove it, already." I mean, it would be nice. It really would be. But my idea of what "i think" is pretty damn far down the road, and "sooner" wouldn't make much difference.

It sounds entirely like the 2024 election. I will be overjoyed to be proven wrong.

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

Plenty of time. In other words, in-person voting? All it takes is for the state legislatures to make it so. Will they, would they? Who knows? (Remember, for this they operate under the provisions of the federal Constitution, not the legislative procedure of a state constitution. No sharing of authority with state agencies or the state governor.) So, there is time...but is there the will?

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DeathRayDesigner 5 points ago +5 / -0

I agree. As well as being fatuous, it defies scripture and amounts to forbidden prophecy.

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DeathRayDesigner 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, you seem to think that being on the brink of nuclear war is "in control," so I won't waste more time on alleging the opposite. Just ponder what you are thinking. Just remember that all forms of control cease at the margins of control. (I worked in weapon systems.) Airplanes go out of control too often, but total control is an impossibility. Nothing is more precarious of "control" than human affairs. If you keep things away from the real "brink," then maybe you can pull it off. How "real" is that brink, then?

And, by the way, as for forks in the road---the evidence so far is that the majority will pick the wrong side. How does that get us safe from the precipice?

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Aha. You think the essence of a precipice is that it is in control? Wrong. It's the other way around: the fear that you are not in control. The fear can't be fake. You think a nuclear exchange would be in control? Whose?

I think it would take more than a single viral outrageous video to push anyone into civil war. There was lots of that in the mass riots of a few years ago, and not even close to a civil war. No, the whole point of impending is that all are conscious of heading toward a fork in the road. Between what and what is unknown and the Q Team would have to put their fork in public view in time for them to pick it.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Bravo. But which is worse---a maggoty faggot, or a faggoty maggot? I can't seem to figure it out. I mention it to you because I think you might appreciate the assonance (true word).

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DeathRayDesigner 12 points ago +12 / -0

I've been withholding judgement on Pence for a long time, but am coming to the conclusion that a Christian may play a role---but no Christian should accept a role that will require false witness. How he is behaving is unseemly, and I am disposed to think it is authentic. He could have kept his silence and stayed away from the fray, but he is wallowing in it. Thus, he is "in character."

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

That Electoral College Act needs to be either rescinded or significantly revised to clarify the allowance for return of disputed votes.

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DeathRayDesigner 2 points ago +2 / -0

And among the internal threats would be an impending civil war, or breakdown of order. I don't know why you would exclude it. Q did not exclude "impending." I'm not so impressed with the threat of frozen bank accounts and food shortages. We already went through some of that with Covid, and the public went along with it like sheep. Many of them literally chose to die rather than buck the system (failed to do due diligence about the "vaccine"---to coin a phrase, "Injections have consequences").

As for nukes, I would be surprised if we could intercept one (if it was fired at us). I would be more concerned at the threat of us firing at Russia. Literally, picking a fight with a bear, leading to nuke shots we couldn't intercept. (I worked in strategic defense for 20 years and what we have today is like a towel in a San Francisco bathhouse: near-nakedness.)

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DeathRayDesigner 2 points ago +2 / -0

I spoke of the BRINK of civil war. It would be a precipice: the impending event that no one wants. This would have little to do with the MSM. It would be the accumulation of outrages (i.e., offenses against the public and law & order).

If there isn't the perception of an authentic threat, how can there be a "precipice"? Anything less than authenticity would be fake. (The threat of nuclear war emerging from our meddling in Ukraine is possible, but not tangible. It would be fake up to the point where it occurs.) I see a lot of speculation on this board about what the precipice could be, which only tells me we have no idea what it means.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Consider this: What if "the precipice" is to have the nation on the brink of civil war? Not a prospect of oppression being sealed upon us, but a prospect of uncontrolled bloodshed and chaos erupting from ourselves. Surely, that is a brink that all sane men would back away from. We may be understanding this in the wrong way.

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DeathRayDesigner 2 points ago +2 / -0

Dresden was a legitimate military target. There is a recent book on the subject. It was a major rail center for German army transport, a holding ground for troops, and had a multitude of machine shops and workshops for the manufacture of torpedo and missile guidance systems. Pattern bombing was the only feasible method for night bombing, as there were no visible landmarks. The firestorm was one of the few occasions where outcome resulted.

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DeathRayDesigner 8 points ago +8 / -0

And it is a beautiful country. As I understand it, the Boers were not welcomed where they came from, so your questions in reply are more apt than one might realize. When you love the land and the people, what do you call it? Patriotism.

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DeathRayDesigner 23 points ago +23 / -0

Absolutely appalling. South Africa is sowing the homicidal hatred of Robert Mugable's Zimbabwe, and it will reap the same harvest...unremitting poverty. Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, and now the people can barely subsist.

The Zimbabweans thought they were gaining something from independence, fought valiantly for it---but were devoured by a megalomaniac. Zimbabwe is my wife's motherland, so the pain cuts deeply.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

And the Rodney King rioters were all planned in advance I presume? But the Korean shop owners who stationed themselves on rooftops conspicuously armed with modern rifles did not suffer damage.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Living in the suburbs didn't stop my house from being broken into, tossed, and burgled while my wife and I were at church. Fortunately the dog and cats were not molested or lost.

Seattle has become a pit. Businesses have left. I don't go downtown unless armed. Portland is worse, and its population and business base are leaving. You pass over the problem of situations like the Autonomous Zone---but the people who lived in the Zone were in a box. Murders occurred. Maybe you are okay with that, as long as it wasn't you.

Just relax on your 31st floor balcony as you watch the carefully orchestrated mob set fire to the lower floors of your building.

I love this talk of odds. On the basis of "the odds" do you elect to not wear your seat belt when driving? Or not wear a life vest when boating? Or not wear a helmet when horse-riding? Or not have a fire extinguisher at hand? Or know which way to evacuate in the event of a volcanic eruption? (Don't laugh. Remember Mt. St. Helens?) Or what to do in the event of an earthquake? (Another no-laugh topic Remember the Nisqually Earthquake of 2001?)

I wouldn't have expected to hear from a Pollyanna on this page, but now I know better. Have a good life, untouched by the odds.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

What about Tom Bearden? He has his theory to promote. "Scalar waves" are simple mumbo-jumbo.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

It depends on what nonsense you believe. Africans in the street or Africans in national governments? I'm sure they have no emotional attachment, but they do like doing business with someone who respects them and is not out to gouge the nation or the people. Who cares where Russia is? All they know is what happens when Russians are dealing with them. And be sure to understand that by "Russians" I am speaking of emissaries, not necessarily tourists.

They don't know that much about the U.S. either, but they know enough about bullies to resent the U.S. government for its desire to change their ways. They like Americans just fine, but the U.S. as a government, not so much.

You have to carefully distinguish between tourists and representatives of the government. Africans are not stupid.

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

A capital district was specified by the Constitution, Article I, Section 8.

Just as an aside, South Africa has separate capitals for each of the three functions of government: executive (Pretoria), legislative (Cape Town), and judicial (Bloemfontein).

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

But how about the roving mobs? We had that in Seattle. Many other cities. You are like the guy who is uncomfortable in Kansas talking about storm cellars and tornadoes. "Dude, STOP with the FEAR dooming, please!" I'm sorry if discussing unpleasant reality is disturbing to you. I see your main reaction is fear, rather than resolution and preparation.

And now, maybe it is time to leave this topic. I had to dig through 3 layers of thread continuation to recover this context, which is a sign that this dialogue is no longer practical from a logistic standpoint.

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DeathRayDesigner 3 points ago +3 / -0

Trading on Caviezel and Peterson is kind of false advertising.

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DeathRayDesigner 1 point ago +1 / -0

If it was kept secret, as the Final Solution was, it may be unjust to blame a citizenry that never knew what was going on. Or, in the case of Ukraine, even blaming them for the outcome of an election that may have been thoroughly rigged. But there's enough karma going around for most everyone. The real issue is to find the trail to those responsible and bring them to light.

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