I'm not going to debate you. I am simply providing information for anyone who happens to read this thread to research and come to their own conclusions. To that end, here are some links.
A CASE FOR THE PRETRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
A HEBRAIC PERSPECTIVE: IS THERE IS A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE OR NOT?
There is no rapture. That idea is only entered mainstream Christianity in the last couple of hundred years by the Scofield Bible that was widely adopted.
It is NOT what Christian's traditionally believed nor is it what the bible teaches.
This is wrong.
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Pull hard to starboard and fire all qanons! Avaste me hearties, yo-ho!
GEOTUS has joined the night shift!
1 Timothy 4:1-3
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
The hypocrites Paul described are now trying to destroy the institution of marriage, and to force us to eat bugs instead of meat.
Here's a previous thread I remember discussing X symbolism.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15HITMDYgf/decoding-illuminati-symbolism-th/
Could be the heart attack gun.
Is Judas Pence having buyer's remorse?
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/quisling
quisling (ˈkwɪzlɪŋ)
n
(Military) a traitor who aids an occupying enemy force; collaborator
If you really were simply misunderstanding me, then I apologize for getting short with you.
Understand, if someone can't even accept it when you tell them that they have your position wrong it throws up a big red flag that they might not be sincere.
If there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is intellectual dishonesty. Because of your zealous contentiousness, it seemed as though you were intentionally misrepresenting my position.
I was on the verge of blocking you, but I will hold off on that at least for now.
As for the issue of the discussion (if you can stand to listen to me for another moment) I would like to tell you a little bit about myself and why I cannot and will not ever accept your doctrine. I am not posting the following in order to argue with you any further, but only so that you understand why it is that I cannot be persuaded to your position. It is because I see it as contrary to the Gospel in Romans 10:9 in which we are promised this:
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The gospel of salvation is not, as it were, a call to excellence; it is a call to faith. Salvation is believing in the Gospel of Christ only. Not the gospel + perfection, or any other thing.
Galatians 1:8-9
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
In my view, you are preaching a different gospel - the gospel of perfection. Not the gospel preached by Paul and the apostles.
You said that sin keeps me from being justified.
The gospel says that I am justified by faith in Jesus.
These are not the same gospel, and I cannot and will not entertain this doctrine under any circumstance.
I hope that you pray for wisdom and guidance from the Holy Spirit (which I have done also) because I feel that you might be towing a dangerous line.
All that being said, I do not wish for hostility between myself and you, and I am willing to accept that you were simply misunderstanding me before.
I get that you are passionate about the subject. I am personally passionate about logic and reasoning, critical thinking, exegesis, typology and biblical prophecy, as well as ancient languages and occult symbolism.
I am not interested in doctrine, my only goal is to discern what the truth is. I do not easily accept ideas from other people, and usually outright reject any position that I did not arrive at organically myself by my own logic and reasoning.
I do not usually snap at people, but I have a red line at intellectual dishonesty, as I have said. I don't care what a person believes, so long as they are candid. There are a great many liars in the world, and I don't have any patience for such. I attempted to be graceful towards you, a task which I obviously failed. Once again, I apologize.
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Yes, you ARE misrepresenting my words. I AGREE that it is not just to sin. Stop twisting around what I say, you Satan.
I did not say that Christ justifies me SO THAT I can go about sinning you liar. That is NOT what I believe, not matter how hard you wish upon a star. I SAID that I am justified by Christ EVEN THOUGH I might sin. In other words I am justified in spite of my failings. News flash. None of us are perfect, nor are we capable of being perfect.
You are a LIAR LIAR LIAR. Learn basic reading comprehension and come back in 20 years. I am done with you. You think you get to tell me what I mean and what I believe? You have no idea about anything you cocky little shit.
The Hebrew word for bread is Lechem. The place of Christ's birth is Beth Lechem or House of Bread.
I didn't say it is just to sin. You are misrepresenting what I said. I said Christ justifies me. It is not dependent on my works. You are arguing in bad faith again.
"Sinner" is just a word. Its meaning is simply "one who commits a sin".
If I said that "I am someone who has committed a sin and will probably commit sins in the future, but I am justified by the blood of Christ" would you have a problem with it?
It would be the same thing as "I am a sinner justified by the blood of Christ." Which you apparently would have a problem with because you have an unreasonable aversion to the term "sinner"
You seem to think that the word sinner magically makes you unjustified. It is just a word. Your flesh is sinful. You are a sinner. You are also justified by faith.
I am not "fighting to stay in sin." I am walking in the spirit just like Paul. I walk according to the Spirit and I am free from the power of sin and death. I am also a sinner. I occasionally sin. Jesus Christ's grace covers me and washes away my sin. Simple. Sinner is just a word. I am under grace. Grace is not just a word. My flesh is wicked. I am a sinner. I am saved. The grace of Jesus, and His righteousness justify me. Not my works. If I have good works, they do not justify me, Christ does. If my flesh sins, it does not unjustify me. Christ covers sin.
Sinner is just a word. Stop overthinking it.
semantics
I did not misrepresent you. I directly quoted your assertion that rapture wasn't mainstream before scofield, and then I disagreed and told you why I disagreed.
Quoting you is not misrepresenting you. Disagreeing with you is not misrepresenting you.
I am not going to take back anything, chief.