It feels wrong to updoot this or comment, but this needs to be held in front of everybody's face until we wake up as a society and stop this madness. No potential scientific breakthrough can justify this.
I agree with you. We're all complicit in this though. Mark Passio was the first to get me to realize that in most, if not all cases, the "elite" are not guilty of any sin. They merely speak or write a sequence of words in the form of an order and some otherwise virtuous man or woman commits an act of evil while convincing themself that they have no choice because they're "just following orders". It's we who are the sinners.
I haven't hired you, I've just told you to do it. Please don't think that I'm defending the people instigating or encouraging evil, I'm only drawing attention to our willingness to do bad things because someone told us to.
If everyone followed the ten commandments there'd be no murder or any need for a manmade law against conspiring to commit murder. The actual sin/crime is the act, not anything preceding it.
Wtf, humanized mice? Like to make baby sized mice-men for the military to send through tunnels and shit? What kind of depraved shit they doing underground.
Ethically, a humanized mouse can be one where it has been genetically altered to produce human variants of a number of genes. Typically, we're very genetically similar to many mammals, but small differences in code can have huge effects 'down stream' so to speak, so to make mouse models more closely predictive of what to expect in humans, little changes like that are a big deal
#HOWEVER
It can also refer to mice who have been transplanted with human cells. Where possible, this obviously closes the gap even further... but in truth you're not really running a mouse trial, you're running a human trial in a mouse incubator. Which SHOULD raise questions that any other human trial would... like consent of the patient. But in this case doesn't. Where did those human cells come from again?
Isn't it lovely how the evil hide behind definitions? They lump the reprehensible under an umbrella of acceptable, change definitions to include them, all to manipulate your reaction?
"We've been doing humanized mouse trials for decades, I don't understand what all this anger is about. These people are so anti-science"
Some 50 year old researcher who simply doesn't know.
I'm sorry but these people need to be lined up against a wall and shot live on national TV. They are using government power to insure that abortions happen to what... supply them with raw materials for experiments and its all being done with our money? We are paying for these monsters to commit unspeakable acts against defenseless unborn children?
I'm an atheist BTW. This has nothing to do with god. This is about these people being pure evil.
Evil? Says...WHO? You? You define evil? We all get to individually define evil? Sounds "do what thou will"-esqe.
Who are YOU to direct someone else's morality?
I use God's standard of morality to judge these people as EVIL. God gave me the standard of measurement by which I call acts good or evil. It is not up to me to decide. It is up to the Law which is made by God.
You're so dam busy trying to bash on me for being an atheist you missed to whole point of my comment. The left constantly bashes on the anti-abortion movement because they often define their morals by god and the bible. My whole dam point is that I as an atheist ALSO see this as evil. Pull your head out of your ass please.
I won't rewrite my 10 page screeds on this I'll just say that I'm a REAL atheist. Unlike these Marxist idiots who aren't even real atheists. See they worship big government like a god. That's not real atheism... its a theocracy. Why do you think they get along so well with Islam. If people would just stop viewing these lunatics as atheists they'd be better off. They're religious fanatics who worship Marx like he's Jesus.
Abortion is a huge can of worms. I try to view it from a science point of view. When you reach the point (which doctors could very easily define) were the baby has greater than a 50/50 chance of surviving being born premature then you are crossing a ton of lines just based on pure science. Meaning if the mother really wanted the baby out of her body period end of issue the baby would actually have a good chance of survival if you just prematurely delivered it. Yet they kill it in the womb and then vacuum it out? That is utterly insane. You are putting the mothers desire ahead of the fetuses life. Its not medically necessary. 99% of the time the mother is in no danger because of the baby. They just find it inconvenient. By that standard I should be about to execute someone who steals my parking space. It was inconvenient to me.
When you add in the fact that the people who are pushing women into getting abortions are profiting from it and the government who is regulating it is using the parts that result from the abortions. Plus the politicians are getting their cut. So what's next are we going to kill jobless people and give their organs to productive members of society? Its just insane. Its evil.
If some woman who is in the first trimester wants to get an abortion fine great that's on her. That's her moral choice etc. These body parts aren't coming from 6 week old fetuses. They have to allow the baby to grow a little to get those parts. Its all a scam to make money and the babies are the ones dying to make it all happen. The difference between this and things like trafficking child sex slaves seems almost non-existent to me.
But sense the government says its okay then its legal... and we are back to people worshiping the government... and if the government says its okay then its moral. See how that works. There is no moral framework of any kind. They can and will justify anything they feel like doing. There is no such thing as too far. Just look at China. Best anyone can tell they are harvesting organs from political prisoners.
Thus my comment. This isn't about god. You don't need god to be a moral person. You simply need a good moral framework. That can be based on a number of things or possibly even a combinations of things. These Marxist lunatics aren't getting that framework from logic or science or even borrowing it from religion. There are plenty of alternate ways to view a moral framework that for the most part works that has nothing to do with god. No these people are getting their morals from Marxist professors who have brainwashed them to believe anything the government bureaucracy approves of is moral.
One of my biggest complaints about various atheists movements is they tend to want to get rid of god but then don't bother to replace any of the social norms that religions generally fill in like having a sense of morality. Of course I now understand many of them do have a replacement in mind. They want people to be mindless a-moral drones that the government can program to do any task it deems is needed. You might know them as useful idiots.
Me? I'm a big fan of the golden rule... except I take it to another level. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If I was a defenseless 6 months old fetus I wouldn't want someone to chop me up and sell me for parts. But see I also view it as instructive. Someone points a gun at me with the clear intent to shoot me... I assume they want me to shoot them. I do to them what they do to me. So clearly a person who chops up defenseless babies and sells them for parts wants me to chop them up and sell their organs... :) A firing squad will have to do though. The golden rule works both ways for me. Its a very simple way to view life but its served me well.
It's a combination of both. Let's not mence words. MANY religious people don't get their moral code from the Bible or what a priest says. A lot of it comes from social pressures and community norms. That's exactly why you have inner city gang bangers who murder people on Saturday and go to church on Sunday. They believe in god they just choose to ignore the parts that aren't convenient to their chosen way to make money.
EVERYONE chooses their own path. If you think otherwise you're a fool. I am a more moral person that 90% of the "Christians" I've met in my life. I don't steal. I don't do drugs. I help people when I can, etc etc. There are a few things the bible says I shouldn't do that I don't believe in because the truth is they hurt no one so I ignore those rules. IE the ban on premarital sex. I don't even believe in marriage. Why? Because its based entirely on social norms created by religion. Why should I hold myself to rules and norms created by a false god? That isn't a moral issue anyway. Its a religion issue.
But yes many things come from what the majority agrees on. IE not having sex with anyone under 18. Don't get me wrong I'm no pedo, but up until around 100 to 150 years ago it was the norm for woman the get married and have kids at 15 or 16. The idea we have to wait for some arbitrary age defined by puritanical minded Christians is just silly. Its has little to nothing to do with a moral code and everything to do with an arbitrary rule.
That said I want to be clear... people who seek out prepubescent children or people who abuse their authority, entrap or enslave weak defenseless young people, etc... those people should be dealt with harshly. However, should a man over 18 be lucky enough to meet some 16 year old that was actually mature enough and wanted a relationship with them the arbitrary rules we put in place make that crime. They literally criminalize love. Talk about immoral. Although recently many states have made Romeo and Juliet laws to fix exactly this problem. However, they put age caps on it which is yet again arbitrary. They act like a 30 year old can't actually fall in love with a 17 year old and vice versa. Like its is completely impossible.
People like Epstein should be crushed because they are just abusing young women. However, the way they leave no room for the possibility of a real bond is in itself criminal if you asked me. And no I'm not talking about those retards in NAMBLA who want to be with 10 year olds. Fuck those retards. Or the idiots trolling for 13-14 years olds on the internet.
I hold myself to the given laws of a particular state because that is the sane thing to do and I have some self control. Its one of my biggest points about Epstein. That idiot had hundreds of millions of dollars. He could have setup shop in any state. MANY states have an age of consent that is 17 or even 16.
All that idiot had to do is buy a mansion on the GA coast and he could round up, abuse, and pay all the 16+ year old girls he liked. It wouldn't have been illegal. It was never about that though. He could have just as easily made a point of being with 18 year olds in FL. No the whole point was he felt he was above the law. He felt like he could do anything he wanted to anyone he wanted and no one could stop him. Is what he did moral? I'd say no, mainly because of his intent which was to use and abuse them.
There is a reason they have whole classes devoted to morality etc. Truth is we could never discus it all here. There is one other truth though... most of those classes have been perverted by Marxists to the point were the class itself is immoral. They now teach people to be evil. That's the root of many of our problems today. We allow these lunatics to teach our children and just hope they don't corrupt them.
Pure EVIL! Makes me sick - it’s no wonder they’ve gone on the attack against anyone who threatens to expose their demonic deeds.
“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to Whom we must [all] give account.”
Hebrews 4:13
It feels wrong to updoot this or comment, but this needs to be held in front of everybody's face until we wake up as a society and stop this madness. No potential scientific breakthrough can justify this.
Certain cultures are inbred and have health issues and they believe that any means should be exhausted, no matter how evil, to extend their lives...
Respectfully, Its illegal in this country. I don't want to hear about 'cultures'
I agree with you. We're all complicit in this though. Mark Passio was the first to get me to realize that in most, if not all cases, the "elite" are not guilty of any sin. They merely speak or write a sequence of words in the form of an order and some otherwise virtuous man or woman commits an act of evil while convincing themself that they have no choice because they're "just following orders". It's we who are the sinners.
If I tell you to kill a man and you do, have I sinned or have you?
I haven't hired you, I've just told you to do it. Please don't think that I'm defending the people instigating or encouraging evil, I'm only drawing attention to our willingness to do bad things because someone told us to.
If everyone followed the ten commandments there'd be no murder or any need for a manmade law against conspiring to commit murder. The actual sin/crime is the act, not anything preceding it.
Such as?
I'm beginning to see their evil as almost beyond human comprehension. They are truly of satan.
That is exactly what is happening here.
When you remove God from our culture, you’ll get more and more evil.
Such a callous attitude towards the lives of the aborted babies. Disgust is such a tame word to use.
Wtf, humanized mice? Like to make baby sized mice-men for the military to send through tunnels and shit? What kind of depraved shit they doing underground.
Ethically, a humanized mouse can be one where it has been genetically altered to produce human variants of a number of genes. Typically, we're very genetically similar to many mammals, but small differences in code can have huge effects 'down stream' so to speak, so to make mouse models more closely predictive of what to expect in humans, little changes like that are a big deal
#HOWEVER
It can also refer to mice who have been transplanted with human cells. Where possible, this obviously closes the gap even further... but in truth you're not really running a mouse trial, you're running a human trial in a mouse incubator. Which SHOULD raise questions that any other human trial would... like consent of the patient. But in this case doesn't. Where did those human cells come from again?
Isn't it lovely how the evil hide behind definitions? They lump the reprehensible under an umbrella of acceptable, change definitions to include them, all to manipulate your reaction?
"We've been doing humanized mouse trials for decades, I don't understand what all this anger is about. These people are so anti-science"
Giving mice human genes so that they can create a virus in a mouse that can be spread to humans.
That is an example use case, yes.
Here's the link to the judicial watch story
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-obtains-records-detailing-nih-purchases-of-aborted-fetal-parts-for-humanized-mice-testing/
So very evil.
These people should rot in hell.
They forced religious organizations out of Adoptions and Orphanages and pushed Abortions and giving children to same sex “unions”.
Sure there were bad religious administrators of orphanages and adoptions.
Government adoption and abortion is a million times worse.
Putting kids with gays is a problem
Yup - it’s really bad - babies of same sex “unions” don’t gain as much weight as babies of Mom and Dad. They often suffer from “failure to thrive”
I'm sorry but these people need to be lined up against a wall and shot live on national TV. They are using government power to insure that abortions happen to what... supply them with raw materials for experiments and its all being done with our money? We are paying for these monsters to commit unspeakable acts against defenseless unborn children?
I'm an atheist BTW. This has nothing to do with god. This is about these people being pure evil.
But it is. Lemme show you using your own words.
Evil? Says...WHO? You? You define evil? We all get to individually define evil? Sounds "do what thou will"-esqe.
Who are YOU to direct someone else's morality?
I use God's standard of morality to judge these people as EVIL. God gave me the standard of measurement by which I call acts good or evil. It is not up to me to decide. It is up to the Law which is made by God.
You're so dam busy trying to bash on me for being an atheist you missed to whole point of my comment. The left constantly bashes on the anti-abortion movement because they often define their morals by god and the bible. My whole dam point is that I as an atheist ALSO see this as evil. Pull your head out of your ass please.
I won't rewrite my 10 page screeds on this I'll just say that I'm a REAL atheist. Unlike these Marxist idiots who aren't even real atheists. See they worship big government like a god. That's not real atheism... its a theocracy. Why do you think they get along so well with Islam. If people would just stop viewing these lunatics as atheists they'd be better off. They're religious fanatics who worship Marx like he's Jesus.
By what standard do you define their actions as evil?
My point was about your point.
Abortion is a huge can of worms. I try to view it from a science point of view. When you reach the point (which doctors could very easily define) were the baby has greater than a 50/50 chance of surviving being born premature then you are crossing a ton of lines just based on pure science. Meaning if the mother really wanted the baby out of her body period end of issue the baby would actually have a good chance of survival if you just prematurely delivered it. Yet they kill it in the womb and then vacuum it out? That is utterly insane. You are putting the mothers desire ahead of the fetuses life. Its not medically necessary. 99% of the time the mother is in no danger because of the baby. They just find it inconvenient. By that standard I should be about to execute someone who steals my parking space. It was inconvenient to me.
When you add in the fact that the people who are pushing women into getting abortions are profiting from it and the government who is regulating it is using the parts that result from the abortions. Plus the politicians are getting their cut. So what's next are we going to kill jobless people and give their organs to productive members of society? Its just insane. Its evil.
If some woman who is in the first trimester wants to get an abortion fine great that's on her. That's her moral choice etc. These body parts aren't coming from 6 week old fetuses. They have to allow the baby to grow a little to get those parts. Its all a scam to make money and the babies are the ones dying to make it all happen. The difference between this and things like trafficking child sex slaves seems almost non-existent to me.
But sense the government says its okay then its legal... and we are back to people worshiping the government... and if the government says its okay then its moral. See how that works. There is no moral framework of any kind. They can and will justify anything they feel like doing. There is no such thing as too far. Just look at China. Best anyone can tell they are harvesting organs from political prisoners.
Thus my comment. This isn't about god. You don't need god to be a moral person. You simply need a good moral framework. That can be based on a number of things or possibly even a combinations of things. These Marxist lunatics aren't getting that framework from logic or science or even borrowing it from religion. There are plenty of alternate ways to view a moral framework that for the most part works that has nothing to do with god. No these people are getting their morals from Marxist professors who have brainwashed them to believe anything the government bureaucracy approves of is moral.
One of my biggest complaints about various atheists movements is they tend to want to get rid of god but then don't bother to replace any of the social norms that religions generally fill in like having a sense of morality. Of course I now understand many of them do have a replacement in mind. They want people to be mindless a-moral drones that the government can program to do any task it deems is needed. You might know them as useful idiots.
Me? I'm a big fan of the golden rule... except I take it to another level. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If I was a defenseless 6 months old fetus I wouldn't want someone to chop me up and sell me for parts. But see I also view it as instructive. Someone points a gun at me with the clear intent to shoot me... I assume they want me to shoot them. I do to them what they do to me. So clearly a person who chops up defenseless babies and sells them for parts wants me to chop them up and sell their organs... :) A firing squad will have to do though. The golden rule works both ways for me. Its a very simple way to view life but its served me well.
So you derive your morality from...what you decide is good or bad?
So it's subjective to what YOU decide? Or what the majority agree on?
You didn't answer the question.
It's a combination of both. Let's not mence words. MANY religious people don't get their moral code from the Bible or what a priest says. A lot of it comes from social pressures and community norms. That's exactly why you have inner city gang bangers who murder people on Saturday and go to church on Sunday. They believe in god they just choose to ignore the parts that aren't convenient to their chosen way to make money.
EVERYONE chooses their own path. If you think otherwise you're a fool. I am a more moral person that 90% of the "Christians" I've met in my life. I don't steal. I don't do drugs. I help people when I can, etc etc. There are a few things the bible says I shouldn't do that I don't believe in because the truth is they hurt no one so I ignore those rules. IE the ban on premarital sex. I don't even believe in marriage. Why? Because its based entirely on social norms created by religion. Why should I hold myself to rules and norms created by a false god? That isn't a moral issue anyway. Its a religion issue.
But yes many things come from what the majority agrees on. IE not having sex with anyone under 18. Don't get me wrong I'm no pedo, but up until around 100 to 150 years ago it was the norm for woman the get married and have kids at 15 or 16. The idea we have to wait for some arbitrary age defined by puritanical minded Christians is just silly. Its has little to nothing to do with a moral code and everything to do with an arbitrary rule.
That said I want to be clear... people who seek out prepubescent children or people who abuse their authority, entrap or enslave weak defenseless young people, etc... those people should be dealt with harshly. However, should a man over 18 be lucky enough to meet some 16 year old that was actually mature enough and wanted a relationship with them the arbitrary rules we put in place make that crime. They literally criminalize love. Talk about immoral. Although recently many states have made Romeo and Juliet laws to fix exactly this problem. However, they put age caps on it which is yet again arbitrary. They act like a 30 year old can't actually fall in love with a 17 year old and vice versa. Like its is completely impossible.
People like Epstein should be crushed because they are just abusing young women. However, the way they leave no room for the possibility of a real bond is in itself criminal if you asked me. And no I'm not talking about those retards in NAMBLA who want to be with 10 year olds. Fuck those retards. Or the idiots trolling for 13-14 years olds on the internet.
I hold myself to the given laws of a particular state because that is the sane thing to do and I have some self control. Its one of my biggest points about Epstein. That idiot had hundreds of millions of dollars. He could have setup shop in any state. MANY states have an age of consent that is 17 or even 16.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States
All that idiot had to do is buy a mansion on the GA coast and he could round up, abuse, and pay all the 16+ year old girls he liked. It wouldn't have been illegal. It was never about that though. He could have just as easily made a point of being with 18 year olds in FL. No the whole point was he felt he was above the law. He felt like he could do anything he wanted to anyone he wanted and no one could stop him. Is what he did moral? I'd say no, mainly because of his intent which was to use and abuse them.
There is a reason they have whole classes devoted to morality etc. Truth is we could never discus it all here. There is one other truth though... most of those classes have been perverted by Marxists to the point were the class itself is immoral. They now teach people to be evil. That's the root of many of our problems today. We allow these lunatics to teach our children and just hope they don't corrupt them.
Right.
That's how Nazis and Communism happen.
So go ahead and say it:
"I come up with my own morality"
Which does nothing for the world because that still leads to MIGHT OVER RIGHT.
Biblical morality, the 10 Commandments, lead to RIGHTS over might.
Don't be intellectually dishonest with yourself.
David Daleiden is still paying for trying to uncover this: https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/23/charges-kamala-harris-brought-planned-parenthood-whistleblower-david-daleiden-dropped/
Pure EVIL! Makes me sick - it’s no wonder they’ve gone on the attack against anyone who threatens to expose their demonic deeds.
“Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to Whom we must [all] give account.” Hebrews 4:13
Of course they would post it on April fools.
Oh good God!!! What the hell is happening to our humanity?
Just horrific!?