Without doxxing yourself, would you mind elaborating on your experience so we can gain some insight into what goes on in a process like this? If not that's no problem, but knowledge is a power that helps shine light on those that work in darkness.
I can try without getting too long.There are a few different paths depending on how you’re coming. If you have a good reason and something to offer it’s definitely easier and if you have any bad history i.e. (overstaying a visa or criminal record at home) it is very complicated and requires an attorney and can get expensive. I’ll put my personal way in next reply
Apply for a travel visa (if it’s required from your country of origin)costs a couple hundred bucks.
This can be tricky if you can’t show that you have any reason to go back home.
2.take a trip or two here and go back Home on time
This part has options
A. Find an employer that’s willing to sponsor a visa( if you have special skills and/or education.
B. Apply for a green card ( people say that’s hard to get approved but if you seem valuable to add to the population have some skills, education, or are at least middle class where you’re at and have a clean record everyone I know was approved.
After 5 years with a green card and you show that you can support yourself and haven’t broken any laws you can apply for citizenship.
Each step there are application fees. 5 years ago they varied 350$ - 560$ and then there’s fingerprint fees and fee for this and for that they were usually 30-50$. So there were 3 big fees and then a bunch of little ones total was about 2k.
If someone has no family Here.no skills. low education. No savings. criminal record Or a previous deportation then it can get very hard and I’m sure very expensive.
Everything I or friends encountered along the way just seemed like they were making sure you were a good citizen with means to take care of yourself And they were all approved
indentured servitude... many of them make a down payment then owe money... the coyots know where their family lives below the border so they are in danger if they don't pay them back. Its a huge money making venture for them
If no relatives here to front money, a common way is get loans from gangs. Who take women or children for collateral, or simply terrorize the remaining family.
They are held as slaves until their fees are paid off. Sex slaves, etc, held captive until their families pay their ransom or until they "work" off their debt. I'm sure there are the usual NGOs, Catholic Charities, bleeding heart liberal organizations that also pay the coyotes off.
They don't get their kids back. I never stated they did, it just what happens. Live in Phoenix and worked with police on the issue, seen the coyote drop houses, etc.
They pay it off by getting the kids to be mules. Or the parents end up mules later on. Or their teenage daughters are forced into the sex industry, or the mothers, too. Sometimes the young boys, as well.
I've known a few illegals here in FL, and their stories of their journeys here are horrendous. The kind of stories that give people PTSD and lead to some of their behavior after they get here.
Most are great people. Respectful. The older ones hold the doors open for US, always bowing heads, genuine smiles when they see you, making a concerted effort to assimilate and be respectful and appreciative. It's some of the younger generations, Gen X and younger, that make it difficult for themselves and the rest of their community.
I bet the money is coming from the DS. Anything that foments chaos, invasion, stresses the economy, is OK with them. The whole process of migrant caravans, providing food and shelter along the way, is all being paid for by DS agents using taxpayer funds.
Day Laborers in the SF Bay Area get $20-25hr. They work for cash and pay no taxes. They also receive a shit ton of benefits. I’m pretty sure some of them Net more than me. They don’t have a 401k but a lot of them have property in their home country
Soros and Open Society are probably footing the bill. Paying people with prepaid Visas to come. Paying coyotes to bring them. Paying politicians to look the other way.
Just seems too easy. Snipers with 50 cal can chop dirt people in half in the desert during middle east wars. Cant the American military target these coyotes and cartel scum the same way? What would Mexico do? With what ? Terrible pinatas and bad street food.
Don't underestimate the work of NGOs that are funded by the likes of Soros. They are also ponying up the money for these illegals to pay off the coyotes/cartels.
Not going to dig for the sauce but its there, we send aid money south to various entities, governments,ngo’s etc. the money makes it into the hands of migrants.
That's cheap compared to the $15-20,000+ people from Europe were paying to come here illegally. They borrow the money from families in US or smuggler pays the cost and they pay them once they start working. Not only are we dealing with left wing bullshit from our own population we're also being flooded by people that are bringing their socialist ideology with them. If they supported conservative Republicans the Democrats would have had that border sealed up with land mines and razor wire fencing 20 years ago.
I think it's a lot more than $4k now. I had a friend in college back in early 2000s, his father is Mexican and knew some coyotes, the going rate back then was 5k. I think it's probably in the 20k range now.
The fact that plenty of these people are fatter than my fat ass always makes me wonder wtf is going on. If they have so much money that they can each like a pig then why do they need to come here??? Are they fleeing attack of the killer tomatoes or what?
Usually family who’ve already come here will wire money back home for others.
My bet is the children are payment.
You may be right in some circumstances, but that does not explain the wave of children without parents.
Well Joey told them if they have children under 7 that’s now their passport for entry. So $4000 to the coyotes & the $children to the government.
Who even knows where these kids are coming from. Oprah's buddy was running baby farms and selling them all over the world.
Consider the cartel demands a kid or they kill your whole family, extended family, village... Think those old greek myths were just myths?
THIS is why the families contacted REFUSED to take their kids back. You can't go back on a sale, the mafiosos would kill the whole family.
Would the cartel front them the 4K and then collect later in the US after the person did illegal work for the cartel?
Exactly ^
Immigrants come to the US, and save up money to get additional family members here as well.
Rinse - repeat
one way or another I'd bet that the tax-payer is paying.
That does not explained the unaccompanied minors.
I went through the system. It cost Around $2,000 Broken up over 5 years. We didn’t hire a lawyer to fill out the forms
Without doxxing yourself, would you mind elaborating on your experience so we can gain some insight into what goes on in a process like this? If not that's no problem, but knowledge is a power that helps shine light on those that work in darkness.
I can try without getting too long.There are a few different paths depending on how you’re coming. If you have a good reason and something to offer it’s definitely easier and if you have any bad history i.e. (overstaying a visa or criminal record at home) it is very complicated and requires an attorney and can get expensive. I’ll put my personal way in next reply
Thank you!
Each step there are application fees. 5 years ago they varied 350$ - 560$ and then there’s fingerprint fees and fee for this and for that they were usually 30-50$. So there were 3 big fees and then a bunch of little ones total was about 2k.
If someone has no family Here.no skills. low education. No savings. criminal record Or a previous deportation then it can get very hard and I’m sure very expensive.
Everything I or friends encountered along the way just seemed like they were making sure you were a good citizen with means to take care of yourself And they were all approved
Getting a green card legally marrying a US citizen is like 2 or 3 grand total including lawyer fees...
Hey Amigo I gotta deal for you , Its 4000 to get you across but if you take these packages over for me (drugs) you are covered. Hows that sound??
All of the above.
Was gonna say price of admission. One child.
indentured servitude... many of them make a down payment then owe money... the coyots know where their family lives below the border so they are in danger if they don't pay them back. Its a huge money making venture for them
Coyotes are cash up front, there's no real credit. The kids are the currency.
If no relatives here to front money, a common way is get loans from gangs. Who take women or children for collateral, or simply terrorize the remaining family.
They are held as slaves until their fees are paid off. Sex slaves, etc, held captive until their families pay their ransom or until they "work" off their debt. I'm sure there are the usual NGOs, Catholic Charities, bleeding heart liberal organizations that also pay the coyotes off.
The mafia keeps charging some families, but what makes you think they get their kids back?
They don't get their kids back. I never stated they did, it just what happens. Live in Phoenix and worked with police on the issue, seen the coyote drop houses, etc.
These people are evil for basically sacrificing their own children to get over here.
They pay it off by getting the kids to be mules. Or the parents end up mules later on. Or their teenage daughters are forced into the sex industry, or the mothers, too. Sometimes the young boys, as well.
I've known a few illegals here in FL, and their stories of their journeys here are horrendous. The kind of stories that give people PTSD and lead to some of their behavior after they get here.
Most are great people. Respectful. The older ones hold the doors open for US, always bowing heads, genuine smiles when they see you, making a concerted effort to assimilate and be respectful and appreciative. It's some of the younger generations, Gen X and younger, that make it difficult for themselves and the rest of their community.
I hear you but that’s how they are around you... it’s not a benefit to the communities that they overtake at all.
I bet the money is coming from the DS. Anything that foments chaos, invasion, stresses the economy, is OK with them. The whole process of migrant caravans, providing food and shelter along the way, is all being paid for by DS agents using taxpayer funds.
Day Laborers in the SF Bay Area get $20-25hr. They work for cash and pay no taxes. They also receive a shit ton of benefits. I’m pretty sure some of them Net more than me. They don’t have a 401k but a lot of them have property in their home country
Exactly, they are not damn victims. All of this is unfair to Americans.
This is how slavery works. They have to go into debt to make money in the US. How do you not know this?
His point is the government is funding it.
Soros and Open Society are probably footing the bill. Paying people with prepaid Visas to come. Paying coyotes to bring them. Paying politicians to look the other way.
Who, among that population, has that kind of money?
Guesses anyone?
Most illegal immigrants send money home. That's the probable source of money to help family members also come north.
it's human trafficking
family here is sending them the money and for another $1,000 they can pay an attorney to do all the paperwork to get them in legally.
Attorneys will do all the legal paperwork for $3-5k
problem after that is there's limits on how many applications get approved every year.
We're past the point of needing to shut the borders down for 50 years and let, like we did in the early 1900s for 40 years.
Need to make America Great Again.
it's human trafficking
Just seems too easy. Snipers with 50 cal can chop dirt people in half in the desert during middle east wars. Cant the American military target these coyotes and cartel scum the same way? What would Mexico do? With what ? Terrible pinatas and bad street food.
The relatives in the USA send money back home.
Don't underestimate the work of NGOs that are funded by the likes of Soros. They are also ponying up the money for these illegals to pay off the coyotes/cartels.
Not going to dig for the sauce but its there, we send aid money south to various entities, governments,ngo’s etc. the money makes it into the hands of migrants.
No way... that money is siphoned off by pols and criminals.
I'll reconsider if you provide a sauce.
That's cheap compared to the $15-20,000+ people from Europe were paying to come here illegally. They borrow the money from families in US or smuggler pays the cost and they pay them once they start working. Not only are we dealing with left wing bullshit from our own population we're also being flooded by people that are bringing their socialist ideology with them. If they supported conservative Republicans the Democrats would have had that border sealed up with land mines and razor wire fencing 20 years ago.
I think it's a lot more than $4k now. I had a friend in college back in early 2000s, his father is Mexican and knew some coyotes, the going rate back then was 5k. I think it's probably in the 20k range now.
They dont have the 5k to be brought here, but once here, they work for the cartels for sub standard wage to pay it off.
The fact that plenty of these people are fatter than my fat ass always makes me wonder wtf is going on. If they have so much money that they can each like a pig then why do they need to come here??? Are they fleeing attack of the killer tomatoes or what?
many pay their debt in the sex trade once here.
I knew it !!