College educated woman here raised with traditional family values.
I am all for the great awakening. I will not go back to being expected to simply be a housewife. My mother didn’t raise a a strong, free-thinking woman for her to be shoved back into a kitchen.
Q has stated that patriots are men and women. To divide us is yet another tactic for the systems we are fighting.
Its good to have the ability to earn as a resource-- the ? is, "how does my personal choice effect society?"
To be "just a housewife" expresses a qualitative view on what the profession of housewifing entails.
What if the job of housewife included lean management, teaching, medicine, junior (or senior) level handyman, researcher, community liason, executive coach (for spouse and grown chldren), therapist, nutritionist, chef, herbalist...... you get my point.
Further, I wish the guys on the thread would abstain from the word "submit". A more accurate word would be to defer on matters that he owns. Listen, let him lead and keep him out of the laundry room!
Dude here. I think after the great awakening it should be a choice whether a woman stays at home or works. I mean this is America. Isn't everyone entitled to the same freedoms to do as they please as long as it doesn't take away freedoms from others? Idk I'm a smooth brain but that's how my dumb brain sees it.
You’re free to make your choices, and I’m free to make mine. Also not trying to make a point that only a college education matters because that’s definitely not true. Trades are far more beneficial and I wish I’d had the option to learn that in high school.
Not all women will do well as mothers. A family friend—may she Rest In Peace—wound up taking in her nephew because he was going to the foster system otherwise. His mother was addicted to multiple substances, as was his father. His father/the foster mom’s brother was coddled and spoiled by their mom. Their dad was incredibly distant. The “smothered” kid wound up terrible—swindling even his own dementia-suffering mom for money in her last months of life. The “black sheep” fought for her nephew while keeping a steady job and raising her own daughters. She left this earth with multiple wonderful mom who are also nurses and teachers.
My grandfather shouldn’t have had children. He was an alcoholic after getting rejected from the priesthood. His family continues to suffer from that fallout. However, the traditional view deems him a solid “man” just because he put food on the table with the money he had left over after booze and taxes. Is that also the woman’s fault for the family’s breakdown?
I may never be able to have children. I may adopt one day, but will only do so if I know I can be financially and emotionally supportive to that child.
If simply being a mother makes you happy? Solid, go for it.
If you can handle both being a mother and being a working woman and that’s what you want? Cool, your choice.
Can’t afford children or have something else going on that you don’t want to subject them to your struggles? Seems responsible not to have them.
This isn’t an argument for abortion, btw, as I’m sure someone will take it that way
The question is, can the children really handle both parents missing from their lives? Can we afford to allow our young to be misled instead by predatory cults running our governments?
I don't disagree with you one bit -- I was simply asking the ? From a moral stance.
See my first sentence: agree with you.
Next sentence explores the effects of exercising one's rights.
I never suggested all women should be domestic engineers (my preferred term). Simply the statement "just a housewife" degrades a vocation that can be both challenging & rewarding
There have always been women working outside the home. The problem is now so many slave away at 2 jobs, few are available to provide the emotional and physical support that kept the family unit strong.
Men and women have their roles in society. Men's to lead, provide, and sacrifice. Woman's is to nurture children, support their men, and run the household. Either gender shying away from these responsibilities will lead to the collapse of society, you can already see it happening.
Men need to go into self-protection mode for a while. Stop with relationships, marriage, and children. Let the world around them crumble, then rise from the ashes to rebuild the world without so much bullshit.
If my father led our household, we would’ve been bankrupt long before now. He’s terrible at making decisions and avoids confrontation at all costs. I love the man, and he’s great at leading at work, but not so much at home.
Like I said, there are always exceptions. In general, men are far better leaders than women. I'm talking about all of society, not some random individuals.
In a free country, individuals should be free to use their own talents and pursue their own dreams and ambitions, both in and out of the home.
The left, as always, takes things way too far, as they're attempting to destroy society, not uplift anyone. But society allows for a lot of flexibility and most doors should be open to both genders, so that individuals and couples can create a life that works for them and their families, which will ultimately benefit society.
Society is breaking down because we have Luciferian pedophiles in positions of power and influence doing all they can to break it down. Left to their own devices, most people will generally make more wholesome choices.
Everyone should be free legally to do as they please, but the community needs to provide pressure to follow the proper path. Those that feel the need to break out of the mold will go through the struggle to do so, but those that aren't wave makers will be shuttled down a path that's healthier for society. I feel the same thing is necessary for fat acceptance and homosexuality. I don't want tyrannical laws about this stuff, but communities should be providing the pressure to live a healthy lifestyle.
There are mothers out there with alcoholic, abusive husbands that are pulling the weight of both roles because it’s necessary for their children.
There are fathers out there working and taking their kids to school, camp, etc., because their mothers passed away.
There are women who are doctors that care for others during the day and take care of their families at night.
If I’m ever able to have children, you sure as hell better believe I’ll teach my daughters to care for others but be independent. No way I’m letting them get stuck being dependent on a deadbeat husband like my grandfather or on societal handouts.
Nothing you just said is relevant to the fact that society is built on gender roles and as more and more people abandoned them, we continue to degenerate.
There are always exceptions to the rules, but that doesn't negate the rule. If enough men or women shirk their duty, there will be no society left for your children to be "strong independent women" in. This partnership is the foundation of the family and the family is the foundation of civilization.
Families are built with strong mothers and fathers. Families where parents share responsibilities are stronger and more resilient.
Placing all of the responsibility on the mother alone leads to more familial destruction in the future.
I’m watching it happen with my own family as my mother feels incredibly disconnected from community and the world as her children grow up. She doesn’t know what to do with herself now that her role—child rearing—no longer exists. She resents my father and my family for leaving her without a place and support system because she spends so much of her life only taking care of us while my dad didn’t do much of anything except earn the money and show up for the big events.
You can be a mother and a breadwinner without being an idiot.
Well said, fren. I'm not college educated, but I've been to the school of hard knocks for sure, been working since I was 15 and have a very good career. Hard work and experience have paid off for me. Our son (11) is enrolled in a wonderful Christian school. As much as I would love the time with him to home school him, I'm not a teacher. Some people have that knack, I just don't. I would never deprive him of the wonderful Christian and patriotic education he's receiving where he is - I could never do what they're doing. We thank God every day for the fact that we found him a school full of conservatives who feel the same way we do about the current state of the world. We know he's not being indoctrinated; quite the opposite - he's never had such a great education before. He's writing in cursive! Every family is different, and I think people need to remember that. This works for us. I still cook for my family and take care of the laundry, cleaning, etc. We can do both. It's possible to bring home some bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let my husband forget he's a man.
Thank you, fren! You’re living my dream life it seems. College is by no means a necessity and is often a mistake in today’s world—I’m sorry if it made it seem like I was trying to gloat about that. I wish I’d gone to trade school instead.
I made it out of public school with my morals intact somehow, mostly because of my parents and a few stellar teachers throughout the years. So glad your family found a solid Christian school for your son, and that you’re making things work the way you want them to work!
I’m sorry if it made it seem like I was trying to gloat about that.
Not at all!! Regardless of whether or not it was worth the money, I know college can be very hard work and if you earned a degree, you should be proud of that!
I think you're absolutely right that teaching and nurturing are two different things. When I say teaching, I mean the math, science, history, etc. that is taught to my son in school, which I'm really not qualified to do. Nurturing is a different story, and I have no worries as to my abilities there.
As to your mode comparison, I'm not so sure how beautiful or sexy it is on a woman (I wouldn't have described it that way, anyway), but I do believe that sometimes it's necessary for a woman to work outside the home and help to provide. There are those of us who can do both, and the cost of living is only going up, even if you don't have lots of luxuries like cable/satellite, streaming services, expensive vacations, pricey cars. Good food costs more vs. junk food. I work full time, but I also cook for my family and support my husband in every way possible. I'm up at 4:30 a.m. to make his coffee, pack his breakfast and make sure he has everything he needs on his way to work. He doesn't do the dishes, or the laundry, or the cooking, ever. And I don't expect him to.
And, unfortunately, there are also some women who are put in a position of having to provide; i.e. - widows, and women whose husbands took off and abandoned their families. If a woman marries a man whom she believes loves her, and will take care of her and their children, and then he decides to run off with a young blonde, never to be seen again, wouldn't that woman have to get into Mode B whether she wanted to or not? It happens. Certainly not all men are that way, but some are, and I don't think any woman knowingly signs up for something like that.
Yes, and she hated it. She had multiple jobs here and there that gave her autonomy and some space from the challenges of raising children.
She wouldn’t trade raising two kids for the world, but illness if multiple family members made her give that up, and she misses having something to call her own. Work is good and honorable, it gave her something else to accomplish and call her own.
There are. And that's wonderful; they're truly blessed if they're able to stay at home, have a good husband who makes enough for them to do so, and it's what they want to do. Everyone's different, and it's not in the cards for all women.
Women who don't work can make a big difference. My minister (a female) said, "If you ladies think men are bastards, ask yourselves who raised them." Also, the Women's Christian Temperance Union reduced the alcoholism rate in the US from 25% to 10%, which made a huge difference. Now it's time to go on the war path about drugs.
I respect that it’s not - I am not judging anyone for their decision to work either. I would just venture to note that society’s view that women can “have it all” is a lie. Somewhere there will be sacrifices made - either at home or at work. It’s a question of values and principles. One must choose - both spouses working or one staying at home.
I would agree that the "having it all" view is a misnomer. Do I "have it all"? No. Most people's definition of having it all includes a lot of material crap that I couldn't care less about. I'm not driving a new car, I'm not being taken on vacation every year, I don't have a room for all my shoes, etc. The things that matter to me are taken care of, and that's what's important. Could we get along with just my husband's income? Probably. We'd be shitting thin, though, and neither my husband nor I want to cut it that close. Then, when something happens (water heater breaks, furnace craps out in winter, etc.), you don't have the money to fix it. We live modestly but comfortably. We have no car payments, not a lot of debt (nothing I couldn't pay off at the drop of a hat), and we live within our means. So I don't really think that fits the definition of "having it all" that most would hold in this society.
I’m not trying to drag them in the mud. What they do is incredible. If it fulfills them, that’s what matters.
My brain goes haywire if it doesn’t have something cognitively challenging to do. I wouldn’t be happy just staying at home.
That’s all I’m saying—that lumping all women into one category and saying that’s their only option and what they SHOULD do is just as ludicrous as mandating everyone get vaccinated.
Nothing in life is one size fits all—aside from accepting Jesus as your savior if you’re Christian. Even then, your relationship with God is yours and yours alone.
Everyone makes the choices that they think are best for their individual families. I don’t see women being “lumped” back into being stay-at-home moms anytime soon, so if I were you I wouldn’t worry about that at all. This world is going downhill fast and the NWO wants moms (and dads) away from their kids so that they can work more than anyone else. In the 80’s women/moms were pushed into the workforce in record numbers and they were lied to about formula being better for one’s baby than breastmilk. Nowadays, many women are beginning to wake up. But many women are also coming to the sad realization that they couldn’t afford their lifestyles, homes, food on the table if they don’t contribute to the household income either. We “little” people do the best we can with what we’ve got. But I think it’s safe to say that the world controllers do not want the best for us “feeders.”
lumping all women into one category and saying that’s their only option and what they SHOULD do is just as ludicrous as mandating everyone get vaccinated
BRAVO!!!! I could not have said that better myself!
College educated woman here raised with traditional family values.
I am all for the great awakening. I will not go back to being expected to simply be a housewife. My mother didn’t raise a a strong, free-thinking woman for her to be shoved back into a kitchen.
Q has stated that patriots are men and women. To divide us is yet another tactic for the systems we are fighting.
College educated here too. Masters and PhD.
Its good to have the ability to earn as a resource-- the ? is, "how does my personal choice effect society?"
To be "just a housewife" expresses a qualitative view on what the profession of housewifing entails.
What if the job of housewife included lean management, teaching, medicine, junior (or senior) level handyman, researcher, community liason, executive coach (for spouse and grown chldren), therapist, nutritionist, chef, herbalist...... you get my point.
Further, I wish the guys on the thread would abstain from the word "submit". A more accurate word would be to defer on matters that he owns. Listen, let him lead and keep him out of the laundry room!
Dude here. I think after the great awakening it should be a choice whether a woman stays at home or works. I mean this is America. Isn't everyone entitled to the same freedoms to do as they please as long as it doesn't take away freedoms from others? Idk I'm a smooth brain but that's how my dumb brain sees it.
No argument here! Each person chooses on this issue.
If I couldn't work i would have been stuck in an abusive relationship.
The ? Is: why do you work? For stuff? To serve the family? To serve God? What are the consequences of those choices?
When you are clear on the Why, the decision about whether it is selfish, selfless, or a reasonable middle ground becomes clear.
And stop with the accommodations at work for being a Mom or being female! That really drives me nuts :)
You’re free to make your choices, and I’m free to make mine. Also not trying to make a point that only a college education matters because that’s definitely not true. Trades are far more beneficial and I wish I’d had the option to learn that in high school.
Not all women will do well as mothers. A family friend—may she Rest In Peace—wound up taking in her nephew because he was going to the foster system otherwise. His mother was addicted to multiple substances, as was his father. His father/the foster mom’s brother was coddled and spoiled by their mom. Their dad was incredibly distant. The “smothered” kid wound up terrible—swindling even his own dementia-suffering mom for money in her last months of life. The “black sheep” fought for her nephew while keeping a steady job and raising her own daughters. She left this earth with multiple wonderful mom who are also nurses and teachers.
My grandfather shouldn’t have had children. He was an alcoholic after getting rejected from the priesthood. His family continues to suffer from that fallout. However, the traditional view deems him a solid “man” just because he put food on the table with the money he had left over after booze and taxes. Is that also the woman’s fault for the family’s breakdown?
I may never be able to have children. I may adopt one day, but will only do so if I know I can be financially and emotionally supportive to that child.
If simply being a mother makes you happy? Solid, go for it.
If you can handle both being a mother and being a working woman and that’s what you want? Cool, your choice.
Can’t afford children or have something else going on that you don’t want to subject them to your struggles? Seems responsible not to have them.
This isn’t an argument for abortion, btw, as I’m sure someone will take it that way
The question is, can the children really handle both parents missing from their lives? Can we afford to allow our young to be misled instead by predatory cults running our governments?
I don't disagree with you one bit -- I was simply asking the ? From a moral stance.
See my first sentence: agree with you. Next sentence explores the effects of exercising one's rights.
I never suggested all women should be domestic engineers (my preferred term). Simply the statement "just a housewife" degrades a vocation that can be both challenging & rewarding
There have always been women working outside the home. The problem is now so many slave away at 2 jobs, few are available to provide the emotional and physical support that kept the family unit strong.
Blessings to you.
If humanity had waited until economic conditions were right to have children we wouldn't be here, we would have died out a very long time ago.
Portuguese woman, that explains how great this post it.
Men and women have their roles in society. Men's to lead, provide, and sacrifice. Woman's is to nurture children, support their men, and run the household. Either gender shying away from these responsibilities will lead to the collapse of society, you can already see it happening.
Men need to go into self-protection mode for a while. Stop with relationships, marriage, and children. Let the world around them crumble, then rise from the ashes to rebuild the world without so much bullshit.
If my father led our household, we would’ve been bankrupt long before now. He’s terrible at making decisions and avoids confrontation at all costs. I love the man, and he’s great at leading at work, but not so much at home.
Like I said, there are always exceptions. In general, men are far better leaders than women. I'm talking about all of society, not some random individuals.
And I’m arguing that those exceptions shouldn’t suffer because of the rule you want to impose.
In a free country, individuals should be free to use their own talents and pursue their own dreams and ambitions, both in and out of the home.
The left, as always, takes things way too far, as they're attempting to destroy society, not uplift anyone. But society allows for a lot of flexibility and most doors should be open to both genders, so that individuals and couples can create a life that works for them and their families, which will ultimately benefit society.
Society is breaking down because we have Luciferian pedophiles in positions of power and influence doing all they can to break it down. Left to their own devices, most people will generally make more wholesome choices.
Everyone should be free legally to do as they please, but the community needs to provide pressure to follow the proper path. Those that feel the need to break out of the mold will go through the struggle to do so, but those that aren't wave makers will be shuttled down a path that's healthier for society. I feel the same thing is necessary for fat acceptance and homosexuality. I don't want tyrannical laws about this stuff, but communities should be providing the pressure to live a healthy lifestyle.
Do as you will is a luciferian concept.
There are mothers out there with alcoholic, abusive husbands that are pulling the weight of both roles because it’s necessary for their children.
There are fathers out there working and taking their kids to school, camp, etc., because their mothers passed away.
There are women who are doctors that care for others during the day and take care of their families at night.
If I’m ever able to have children, you sure as hell better believe I’ll teach my daughters to care for others but be independent. No way I’m letting them get stuck being dependent on a deadbeat husband like my grandfather or on societal handouts.
Nothing you just said is relevant to the fact that society is built on gender roles and as more and more people abandoned them, we continue to degenerate.
There are always exceptions to the rules, but that doesn't negate the rule. If enough men or women shirk their duty, there will be no society left for your children to be "strong independent women" in. This partnership is the foundation of the family and the family is the foundation of civilization.
Families are built with strong mothers and fathers. Families where parents share responsibilities are stronger and more resilient.
Placing all of the responsibility on the mother alone leads to more familial destruction in the future.
I’m watching it happen with my own family as my mother feels incredibly disconnected from community and the world as her children grow up. She doesn’t know what to do with herself now that her role—child rearing—no longer exists. She resents my father and my family for leaving her without a place and support system because she spends so much of her life only taking care of us while my dad didn’t do much of anything except earn the money and show up for the big events.
You can be a mother and a breadwinner without being an idiot.
Well said, fren. I'm not college educated, but I've been to the school of hard knocks for sure, been working since I was 15 and have a very good career. Hard work and experience have paid off for me. Our son (11) is enrolled in a wonderful Christian school. As much as I would love the time with him to home school him, I'm not a teacher. Some people have that knack, I just don't. I would never deprive him of the wonderful Christian and patriotic education he's receiving where he is - I could never do what they're doing. We thank God every day for the fact that we found him a school full of conservatives who feel the same way we do about the current state of the world. We know he's not being indoctrinated; quite the opposite - he's never had such a great education before. He's writing in cursive! Every family is different, and I think people need to remember that. This works for us. I still cook for my family and take care of the laundry, cleaning, etc. We can do both. It's possible to bring home some bacon, fry it up in a pan, and never let my husband forget he's a man.
Thank you, fren! You’re living my dream life it seems. College is by no means a necessity and is often a mistake in today’s world—I’m sorry if it made it seem like I was trying to gloat about that. I wish I’d gone to trade school instead.
I made it out of public school with my morals intact somehow, mostly because of my parents and a few stellar teachers throughout the years. So glad your family found a solid Christian school for your son, and that you’re making things work the way you want them to work!
Not at all!! Regardless of whether or not it was worth the money, I know college can be very hard work and if you earned a degree, you should be proud of that!
I think you're absolutely right that teaching and nurturing are two different things. When I say teaching, I mean the math, science, history, etc. that is taught to my son in school, which I'm really not qualified to do. Nurturing is a different story, and I have no worries as to my abilities there.
As to your mode comparison, I'm not so sure how beautiful or sexy it is on a woman (I wouldn't have described it that way, anyway), but I do believe that sometimes it's necessary for a woman to work outside the home and help to provide. There are those of us who can do both, and the cost of living is only going up, even if you don't have lots of luxuries like cable/satellite, streaming services, expensive vacations, pricey cars. Good food costs more vs. junk food. I work full time, but I also cook for my family and support my husband in every way possible. I'm up at 4:30 a.m. to make his coffee, pack his breakfast and make sure he has everything he needs on his way to work. He doesn't do the dishes, or the laundry, or the cooking, ever. And I don't expect him to.
And, unfortunately, there are also some women who are put in a position of having to provide; i.e. - widows, and women whose husbands took off and abandoned their families. If a woman marries a man whom she believes loves her, and will take care of her and their children, and then he decides to run off with a young blonde, never to be seen again, wouldn't that woman have to get into Mode B whether she wanted to or not? It happens. Certainly not all men are that way, but some are, and I don't think any woman knowingly signs up for something like that.
Was your mum “simply a housewife”?
Yes, and she hated it. She had multiple jobs here and there that gave her autonomy and some space from the challenges of raising children.
She wouldn’t trade raising two kids for the world, but illness if multiple family members made her give that up, and she misses having something to call her own. Work is good and honorable, it gave her something else to accomplish and call her own.
There’s a lot of highly educated, strong, free-thinking stay-at-home moms that like to cook too, FYI!
There are. And that's wonderful; they're truly blessed if they're able to stay at home, have a good husband who makes enough for them to do so, and it's what they want to do. Everyone's different, and it's not in the cards for all women.
Women who don't work can make a big difference. My minister (a female) said, "If you ladies think men are bastards, ask yourselves who raised them." Also, the Women's Christian Temperance Union reduced the alcoholism rate in the US from 25% to 10%, which made a huge difference. Now it's time to go on the war path about drugs.
Where did the decades-long "war on drugs" get us?
I respect that it’s not - I am not judging anyone for their decision to work either. I would just venture to note that society’s view that women can “have it all” is a lie. Somewhere there will be sacrifices made - either at home or at work. It’s a question of values and principles. One must choose - both spouses working or one staying at home.
I would agree that the "having it all" view is a misnomer. Do I "have it all"? No. Most people's definition of having it all includes a lot of material crap that I couldn't care less about. I'm not driving a new car, I'm not being taken on vacation every year, I don't have a room for all my shoes, etc. The things that matter to me are taken care of, and that's what's important. Could we get along with just my husband's income? Probably. We'd be shitting thin, though, and neither my husband nor I want to cut it that close. Then, when something happens (water heater breaks, furnace craps out in winter, etc.), you don't have the money to fix it. We live modestly but comfortably. We have no car payments, not a lot of debt (nothing I couldn't pay off at the drop of a hat), and we live within our means. So I don't really think that fits the definition of "having it all" that most would hold in this society.
I’m not trying to drag them in the mud. What they do is incredible. If it fulfills them, that’s what matters.
My brain goes haywire if it doesn’t have something cognitively challenging to do. I wouldn’t be happy just staying at home.
That’s all I’m saying—that lumping all women into one category and saying that’s their only option and what they SHOULD do is just as ludicrous as mandating everyone get vaccinated.
Nothing in life is one size fits all—aside from accepting Jesus as your savior if you’re Christian. Even then, your relationship with God is yours and yours alone.
Everyone makes the choices that they think are best for their individual families. I don’t see women being “lumped” back into being stay-at-home moms anytime soon, so if I were you I wouldn’t worry about that at all. This world is going downhill fast and the NWO wants moms (and dads) away from their kids so that they can work more than anyone else. In the 80’s women/moms were pushed into the workforce in record numbers and they were lied to about formula being better for one’s baby than breastmilk. Nowadays, many women are beginning to wake up. But many women are also coming to the sad realization that they couldn’t afford their lifestyles, homes, food on the table if they don’t contribute to the household income either. We “little” people do the best we can with what we’ve got. But I think it’s safe to say that the world controllers do not want the best for us “feeders.”
BRAVO!!!! I could not have said that better myself!