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– vetpatriot17 56 points 4 years ago +56 / -0

I will never laugh at, talk down to or try to humiliate a vaxed person, especially if their life diminishes because of an uninformed choice because the media, the CDC, the government and leaders lied to them to persuade their decision to vax. It is very humbling to know others who are vaxxed feel this way about us because hate is easy to repeat. I refuse. I love people and respect their choices. If that leads to their eventual deaths, I can only pray for them. I will certainly never rejoice in any kind of hatred toward them.

I will rejoice when those responsible are brought to justice for this human atrocity. And I will pray this is never allowed to happen to mankind again.

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– Dudemanfoo 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

They will probably suffer like my oldest with the HPV vaccine.

It is up to us to sort out what will help them when the prodigal son comes home.

Nobody is as anti-smoking as a former smoker...

Nobody is as anti-drugs as a former junkie...

Wait till they find out in mass that gov and corporations were willing to kill them for money.

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– NoMoreLiesTrump2024 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I agree but it feels like even members here doom the vaccinated. It really angers me sometimes. A lot of this is hard to swallow. People don't think their doctors will betray them. I got one puncture and I won't get the other. I was awake to an extent. I have underlying medical conditions so it was recommended. I didn't know then what I know now and I will not get the 2nd one. I know many people who vote (R) and got the poison and are still asleep and don't want to awake because they are to busy living life. The only thing I can do is raise awareness and most of all PRAY. Otherwise, I have no control over this situation. God will take me when he takes me. I am a very emotional person, especially when it comes to the crimes against children but I have been very strong with learning all of this information because I know what our mission is here and I need to focused.

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– glow-operator-2-0 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Imagine you getting the first shot, having shots issues, then going ahead with the second shot.

At least you are smarter than Eric Clapton

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– Shalomtoyou 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

During the Passover Seder we drink four glasses of wine.

Wine symbolizes joy.

There is one part of the Seder where we read each of the ten plagues.

For each of the ten plagues we take a drop of wine out of the wine glass and put it on the plate. We reduce our joy in sympathy for the Egyptians.

True, they kept us as slaves, held us in bondage, tried to kill us all prior to the crossing of the Red Sea.

But still, we do not take joy in their suffering.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 18 points 4 years ago +18 / -0

Amen! This does not just show up in Judaism either. Christians are commanded to bless those who curse them.... Luke 6:27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28) bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

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– Shalomtoyou 21 points 4 years ago +21 / -0

It's really how we see the difference between them and us. Very few of us want to see the Vaxed die. They are our family and friends. We want to see the blinders fall off their eyes.

They're so angry at us... I don't really get it.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

There is a reason both the Tanach and the New Testament warn us about anger: It is very difficult to remain angry and stay free of sin at the same time. They are angry for one of two reasons: they feel they are being hurt by our choice to remain unvaccinated, or they are self-righteously presuming that everyone should agree with them on vaxx and that those who don't deserve what they get. The longer this plays out, the fewer there will be who can claim the first reason, and the more we will see the second play their tune. Then watch for the real persecution of those unvaxxed begin. BTW, this is why I hope this doesn't play out too long.

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– Shalomtoyou 12 points 4 years ago +12 / -0

I heard a Rabbi said the problem with anger is that it violates the very first commandment.... "I am the Lord your G-d who took you out of Egypt... you will have no other G-d's before me."

Anger is a type of idolatry. Because when I am angry I believe the world would be better if it was as I would organize it, not as G-d has organized it.

There's a tale of a trio of Yeshiva students. The question came up: "If you were G-d, what changes would you make to the world?"

The students gave various answers, but the third said: "I would leave the world just as it is." When asked to explain, he said: "The world looks imperfect to me because I am a human being and have limited perspective. If I was G-d, I would have the perspective to see that this is the best of all possible worlds, and therefore I would not change a thing."

Anger is the idea that the world is messed up because it's not the way /I/ want it. Therefore, it is a form of idolatry. We worship ourselves instead of G-d, thinking our view of the world should supersede his.

Still, that being said, I don't always think I can be expected to relish my role in G-d's plan. If I was destined to terrible starvation, torture, and death in the gas chambers of Auschwitz, wouldn't I have the right to criticize G-d's design? It would make no sense to me, at least in this world. Perhaps in the next one I will discover a remarkable reward, like all the suffering completely cleansed me of sins enabling me to enter higher levels of heaven. But I don't have that assurance here.

It seems obvious to me the unvaccinated are being groomed to be the new scapegoat. The "new Jews" of this next Holocaust, if there is one. I've been screaming at "friends" on Facebook, that supporting vaccine passports is ipso facto supporting a new form of Segregation. Deaf ears. To blacks, to Jews, to people who you think would be conscious of history. Nothing. "If you don't like it, get vaccinated." Insane cop outs.

One of my favorite Rabbis who can be found online. He said the vaccinated / unvaccinated division is one more method the evil inclination (The Yetzer Hara) is using to create division in the world. Hate between the two camps. The challenge is not to hate. This same Rabbi who warned against taking the vaccine also said we are never, ever going back to normal. The only thing we can really do now is get in good with G-d. Repent, do Teshuvah, and return.

I wish I knew better how to do that.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Not to hate is a challenge that few have met. We see it in Joseph, who forgave his brothers after they sold him into slavery. (Genesis 50: 15 - 21) Admittedly, his brothers repented for that act, but Joseph still forgave them, even pointing to his place as compared to God's (with the inference that God was the only one who could claim innocence - remember, Joseph had brought a bad report about his brothers.) We also see it in Moses, when he prays that God would blot his name out of the book of Life, for the sake of God's people remaining in it (Even though the Israelites threatened to stone him on more than one occasion), but God did not accept that offer. Getting in good with God is also a challenge, because our sin separates us from Him. The best descriptions I have seen of this are in Psalms 51 and Isaiah 52:12 - 53. Isaiah 53 describes a suffering servant who suffered for all ( Isaiah describes this as a future event) - and Ps. 22 gives a pointed view of the rest of what the suffering servant went through.)

(If you would like, I will describe more about this .)

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– PowderRoomPolitics 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

This comes as our fellow pede's rabbi describes- recognizing that anger is like idolatry when it is not dealt with . (or as another who was once called Rabbi taught, when you are angry, you are tempted to sin)- Jesus said: He who is angry with his brother (and good Samaritan parable makes clear all people are to be treated as our brothers and sisters) sets himself up for a tragic end. Even Jesus himself was angry, but the times He showed it were because of injustice toward others and the disdain for God's house, and he kept that anger under control.

One of the best ways to deal with the anger is to remember that we have been forgiven a great debt, as Jesus describes in the Parable of the Unforgiving Servant.- one that we are unable to pay on our own. We were, as Scripture describes it: enemies of God. Jesus came to both pay for our sin and restore our relationship to God. We forgive when we recognize that we are forgiven a great sum that we could never pay:

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/dealing-with-difficult-problems/forgiveness

There is some great advice here: https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-forgiveness-being-forgiven-forgiving-others-forgiving-yourself.html

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– Shalomtoyou 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

No, you're right. It's an exceedingly hard challenge. Last time I re-read (Carefully) the text with Joseph and his brothers it was amazing how many times he had to reassure them he wasn't holding a grudge. He made a good show at the revelation but even after that, they were worried. "After we bring back Jacob he will let the hammer down. After Jacob dies, he'll get his revenge on us." They were worried to the end. Maybe rightfully so.

It could be the challenge I described of not getting anger is one of the hardest ones a person can achieve. But it's still in there. G-d knows, anger has been a hard enough problem for me.

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– VetforTrump 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I hate evil, it's allowed by God and even required.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I agree! We are to hate sin- especially when we see it in ourselves!

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– Shalomtoyou 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

That's a confusing set of traits there.

A lot of people are blind. It's designed to be hard to see.

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– VetforTrump 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Jesus said to be angry and sin not. It's the sin or broken fellowship with God that is the issue. Not the anger.

Jesus Christ had righteous anger.

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– Shalomtoyou 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I heard Rabbis say sometimes it is okay to /pretend/ to be angry, as a way to warn people. For instance, your son runs into the street. You yell and act angry to scare him into not doing it again. But you try not to feel the anger yourself.

(This would assume you're at the highest levels of being a Tzadik and your self control is so keen that your challenges are about controlling your emotions. Not many of us are at that level).

Righteous anger.... I don't know. Not sure how to judge what is righteous and what isn't.

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– VetforTrump 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Doesn't say we have to take their shit. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. And I'll remind you all. NOT everyone is God's child. Just being g a human does not get you that relationship. He would that all men be saved but we all know they will not all be saved. If they're not saved they're NOT Gods. That leaves them to the devil and hence you get lies and death. People choose you this day whom you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. It's a choice just like everything else.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Amen! We are free to separate from those who are sinning against us and are not repentant. This separates them from an opportunity to add sin to sin. The choice though, is both His and ours. Those who harden their hearts, like Pharaoh did time after time, will find God confirming that hardening if they continue.

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– reveries_aquatiques 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

That.... is very beautiful.

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– Joys1Daughter 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Beautiful...keep praying and raising your vibration to seek God. 🙏

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– yeldarb1983 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Glad to see A Jewish Pede not scared away by the Edgybois and the Larpers here...

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– Shalomtoyou 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I argue with them sometimes. Sometimes better. sometimes not. And I can't deny there's lots of left-wing Jews messing up a lot of stuff.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

That applies to any faith. (or nationality, for that matter)

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– yeldarb1983 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Reminds me of a pic my fiance likes of an Indian guru and I think an English interviewer that someone put speech bubbles on.

Interviewer: What's the secret to happiness

Guru: Not arguing with fools.

Interviewer: I disagree.

Guru: That is right.

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– Shalomtoyou 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Shalom to you too.

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– Patriot_Perks 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

I won't laugh at the people that I know who’ve taken the vax, but I certainly won't shed tears for @FarLeftKyle and others like him.

They would line us up against a wall if they could.

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– Trump4NH 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

As a reminder, most of those hospitalized are fully vaxxed.

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– LoobintheToobin 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Though the authorities may not define them as such, you are correct.

42 days in, then the moving goal posts start again. Only counted as covid breakthrough 14 days after second shot or they count the side effects as unvaccinated https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7034e5-H.pdf Op: https://patriots.win/p/12jwaKGVAH/its-this-kind-of-bullshit-by-the/c/

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– OtherwiseSafe 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

We are commanded to love our enemies. I am struggling with it. I understand the concept of conquering evil with good. I understand that it's easy to love those that love you. It costs you nothing. But I've been having very strong feelings of anger and hate, and I'd like the Lord to help me with it.

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– 2020voter 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Hate is one of my current vices...I leave that to God to fix or judge, as I have no other emotion to describe the vile abuses from evil that I have seen and my heart is enraged....

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– GoGoOptomistic 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

“ If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15

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– deleted 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0
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– OtherwiseSafe 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Thank you!

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– VetforTrump 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

Some times love is a punch to the face. I recall a passage where Christ beat the money changers with a whip he made fro. His own hands. I love God and Jesus Christ but I'm not afraid to fuck a person up to protect myself or someone else. Vaxxers can live with their choice and I could care less either way what their reward is.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The Scripture does not say he hit them with the whip, simply that he used it to clear them out. He may have simply cracked it in the air as a warning, much as one would fire a warning shot against tresspassers.

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– MisprisionIsEvil 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

To love your neighbor means to follow God's Law in your interactions with them. It has nothing to do with feelings or warm fuzzies. It's about how you treat them.

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– OtherwiseSafe 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I appreciate you saying this. Be angry and sin not eh?

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– PowderRoomPolitics 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I would affirm that.

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– Marius 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Christianity is a very demanding religion and I am a horribly flawed Christian because of my weakness. I don't even want to make the attempt at this point because I am filled with anger. I am not a violent person but I can't help but feel satisfaction to see some of these people suffer from their own ignorance. Not all, but some just deserve it. Evil is stalking the world and I can't help but rejoice in every small victory against it.

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– NoMoreLiesTrump2024 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

My anger comes from the crimes against children. I just don't understand it. I do want to see those people suffer. I am new to Christianity and it has helped me in so many ways, but I struggle with this particular one.

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– MisprisionIsEvil 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

These people seriously do not know about vaccine injuries and deaths. They actually believe the vaccines are safe and effective, nobody is killed or injured, and therefore they can't understand antivaxers.

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– Snowgirl1965 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Really struggling not to feel tremendous anger at the Kyle Perkins of this world. Give me strength, precious Lord.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Amen, Sister!

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– TitoshandmadePatriot 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

i know more people that spent time in the hospital over the vaxx than anyone with covid or issues from it.

i've never found any of this funny nor would i laugh.

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– LoneWulf 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

As far as I know, they don't put horses on ventilators -- there's no need to if you give your horse ivermectin.

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– QDay 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

This twitter post will age very well - those anti vaxxers will be taking care of you in hospice soon.

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– RobotReturns 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

they showed their potbelly goblin hand

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– Brent75 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

The truth and meaning of WWG1WGA, why we are here Anons, we do not laugh, tease, dance, or discriminate against the vaxxed and non-vaxxed ever! Unless…they are truly evil people…then it’s okay to wish that God sort them out to a very very hot place.

https://greatawakening.win/p/12kFGJi9Qq/the-true-meaning-where-we-go-one/

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– BettyLiberty 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

Tell me again, who are the Nazis?

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– VetforTrump 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

I'm gonna correct something. Those who are born again are God's Children. Period. Some on this planet are actual seed of Satan. You all are clueless sometimes.

And, "God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked". We shouldn't either.

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– Toolbane 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Judgement day comes for us all. And we're the crazy ones?

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– valley-lily 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

He won't be laughing when he's 6 feet under and the "anti-vaxxers" are the ones burying him.

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– RoosterHeadBad 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

A lot of us will inherit new careers by the time this is over.

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– 6daysandrest 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

That is going to totally suck.

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– Shesaidwhat79 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

I will always be kind to the vaxxed and unvaxxed. Both sides are being hurt. You cannot overcome hate with hate. Remember that.

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– ATLAS_ONE 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

In Australia there was a story of a family in home quarantine for 14 days. Their neighbors harrassed them and called the police because they had their window open...

You heard that right, the neighbor's wanted them to go without fresh air and stew in their own juices due to an irrational fear.

This is a time where we need people yelling at their quarantined neighbors "do you need anything from the shop" rather than "close your windows you disease ridden dog". How far we have fallen as a civilization.

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– BannonJr 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

I’m shocked at how disgusting people are acting all of a sudden. The things I am reading and hearing are beyond cruel and spiteful, especially since it is toward people they don’t know. Strangers on a screen.

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– Retaining_H2O 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

I will not laugh at the misfortunes of those who took the vax.

There will be enough work to do that I'll probably be too tired anyway.

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– HunnyB 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

If they're as nasty as this guy I would be sorely tempted.

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– DinkiDiAussie1 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

These people are truly sick. I will not take the vax but I certainly wish no harm to anyone that has taken a vax,

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– Maui_Boy 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I don’t know that there are many antivaxxers on vents

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– DrainWashington2 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I don't know... I think they will still be blaming me for not getting the vax even if they are all dying and sick.

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– MisprisionIsEvil 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

They already are. They should blame the failed vaccines. They don't work.

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– LoobintheToobin 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

“Don’t rejoice when your enemies fall; don’t be happy when they stumble. For the Lord will be displeased with you and will turn his anger away from them.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭24:17-18‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“Don’t excuse yourself by saying, “Look, we didn’t know.” For God understands all hearts, and he sees you. He who guards your soul knows you knew. He will repay all people as their actions deserve.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭24:12‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.” ‭‭Hosea‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Your ways and your doings Have procured these things for you. This is your wickedness, Because it is bitter, Because it reaches to your heart.”” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭4:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Thus says the Lord: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the Lord. For he shall be like a shrub in the desert, And shall not see when good comes, But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, In a salt land which is not inhabited. “Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, And whose hope is the Lord. For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters, Which spreads out its roots by the river, And will not fear when heat comes; But its leaf will be green, And will not be anxious in the year of drought, Nor will cease from yielding fruit.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭17:5-8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Thus says the Lord: “Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them. For the customs of the peoples are futile...” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭10:2-3‬a ‭NKJV‬‬

“Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭7:16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Then the Lord said to me, “Do not pray for this people, for their good.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭14:11‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Thus says the Lord to this people: “Thus they have loved to wander; They have not restrained their feet. Therefore the Lord does not accept them; He will remember their iniquity now, And punish their sins.” Then the Lord said to me, “Do not pray for this people, for their good. When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I will not accept them. But I will consume them by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.” Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Behold, the prophets say to them, ‘You shall not see the sword, nor shall you have famine, but I will give you assured peace in this place.’ ” And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭14:10-14‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“Weep not for the dead, nor bemoan him; Weep bitterly for him who goes away, For he shall return no more, Nor see his native country.” ‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭22:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The hospital protocol is arranged so as to kill anyone who enters there. Be forewarned, give your fear to God and flourish in God’s immeasurable Peace. “And they did not love their lives so much that they were afraid to die.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:11‬b NLT‬‬

Gods got us Jeremiah 20:10-13 Let us see your vengeance Lord.

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– ImaSueDeNym 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I've noticed that there are basically two separate reactions people here have about those who have been vaccinated.

  1. Sheer glee, thinking about faceless people (liberals, lefties, democrats) suffering and dying from the jab (next week, next year, 5 years from now, whenever, because the goalpost keeps getting moved)while they're standing over them saying "See, I told you so! I was right!"

  2. For people who learned about Q after being vaccinated, or if it's a loved one who was vaccinated or something similar, then they are told they most likely got a placebo (how they would know this I have no idea, and it’s odd that only people they like seem to have gotten the placebo). And then they're given information on how to "clear the body" of toxins from the vaccine. Becauase those people are worthy of saving.

If you don't fall into either of these groups, please forgive me for lumping you in with them. But those are truly almost the only responses I see here.

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– Trumpette1 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

You are right. I find myself doing this. What I need to do is meet life each day as it comes, praying for everyone’s salvation, and stand unafraid to speak my mind, but in love and only love, not spite or hate. Hate and anger will never get into heaven. Ever.

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– PowderRoomPolitics 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Legit complaint- voted up. I pray for the vaxxinated, both the 'hot-heads' (like the person who vented (pun intended) on Twitter) and those I care about, like a friend of my who I just heard got the vaxx out of fear.

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– 6daysandrest 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

That tweet is just tribal trash talk. Words. If they start acting on them, then we have a problem but otherwise I don't care if they run their mouths or their fingertips.

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– MrsCal 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

A pity that those on ventilators are all vaxxers. Those counted not-vaxxed are freshvaxxers, whose second jab was less than 2 weeks ago or will be in future.

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– pnwhomebrewer 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Nah I am gonna lmfao when guys like this bite the dust. I have endured so much shit for being a Trump supporter that I don’t care anymore.

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– IwantBoobs 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

This. I'm not a Christian. I don't have to follow rules that hamstring the good guys and let evil reign supreme. I have no sympathy for people like this faggot in OP's pic.

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– VesemirsPotions0317 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I’ll be grave dancing tho

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– Anq1 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

I won't dance, but I cannot promise not to smirk at least a little.

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– rrrnerdrrr 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Amen. There are too many family and friends who have been deceived into taking this poison - I pray for them every day. This is not the mark of the beast (yet). But it is the preliminary for it - people are being conditioned to accept things injected into their bodies (without which they can neither buy nor sell). I know now that when the mark of the beast comes, people will fall all over themselves trying to get it. They will pressure their family and friends to get it and ridicule those who don't as "science deniers" or "unconcerned about others safety". It is satanic...

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