I keep reading how freemasons are evil and do horrible things. Yet I grew up with masons. I'm not evil, nor do I do horrible things. So, being new, and open minded. I would like to have a civilized discussion about the freemasons! And remember. I come from family members whom are passed now, but, were. Masons. I'm open to here. Thank you.
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Freemasonry is a secret society, that at the lower ranks the members don;t actually realise it's an evil society. The initiations and rankings are specifically created to psychologically profile people who would be criminally inclined, and these people are promoted. By the time you reach the top - at level 33, you have understood the nature of the organisation and the true goals. I believe at level 33, they are initiated into the real stuff - Satanism.
So, simply put, fremasonry is a benign front for Satanism, and most freemasons never reach at level.
By the 3rd degree the oath you take is a blatant curse you make upon yourself.
It goes something like this, if I go against my brotherhood, may my heart be pierced.
Heart attack?
So wellcoming in spirits of secrecy and deception each oath builds upon the others.
I once read them all although subliminal you could see by degree your spoken curse is upon yourself and family.
Nothing Godly about it.
Yeah, each degree increases the level towards evilness just a little bit. This is how they sort out the ones who don't "cut it" and select the ones who show promise in being evil as they go higher and higher.
I agree, nothing Godly about any of it. My point is, not all freemasons are evil.
My great great grandfather was 33rd degree worshipful master👎. I've done a lot of research. I came to the realization of generational curses within the family. I rebuke them all.
Conclusion, I cannot follow Jesus and believe freemasonry is anything but evil.
My ladies grandparents were both free masons, and belonged to multiple organizations like the order of the eastern star. They were practicing Christians, so must not had been very high up. But because of their memberships, the family thinks that freemasonry is the coolest thing. I remember finding this really old book in the shop, I opened it and it was written in a strange symbology. Apparently its a secret language of sorts.
I say this long prayer with reiterations for the trinity when I feel cursed and consecutive unlikely negative events happen or I get into a rut. https://catholicprayerstotheworld.blogspot.com/2009/08/prayer-against-every-evil.html?m=1
I'm glad to hear you understand how generational curses can exist and that you've rebuked them all!
Freemasonry at inception was good. Just as many others organizations, it has been “taken over” via the Weishaupt/Rockefeller Illuminati secret society started in Belgium then onto France where they tricked Napoleon & then took power after his defeat.
The order spread its wings thru various means like the Vatican, Jesuits (after the coup of WW1) and multiple orders like that of the Rose. They brought with them the Khazarian religion of Luciferian dogma which at the upper ranks is revealed to the Freemasons, by the 33rd degree you are one of “them.”
There’s so much more to the history, many good sources on this online and here.
I wish I did. The book we foolishly shared among believers, mysteriously disappeared. The last one to supposedly have it was the pastor, now believed to be a mason. Be wise, test the spirits.
Be very careful about what you hear about Freemasonry. There are good chapters who deeply believe in America and its founding. I have a family member who is one, and he is a proud patriot who fought for our military. I was shocked when he told me. He is no "lower rank" either. He straight called out the Illuminati. There are bad chapters as well, those who have been infiltrated by the Illuminati or are mostly democrats like the ones in big cities, and ones that are high level government. That being said, I look at Freemasonry like Starwars, it's a knowledge that can be used for good and evil. Like our founding fathers. Who used it for good. And our current Illuminati who use if for evil and subversion. George Washington was well aware that its practices were being subverted and infiltrated by the Illuminati. The way I see it. You can't label all Freemasons evil, and it's really the Illuminati sellouts who have purposefully perverted Freemasonry so that we point the finger at them, and not the assets of the Illuminati.
I think this is a better explanation that the one I posted. The knights Templar may be the original Masons. INFILTRATION NOT INVASION.
People call out Freemasonry all the time, but maybe they should be looking at their churches as well. There is a poem, "where there's a steeple in the air, satan builds a chapel there." It's not the group, it's who has infiltrated the group, wherever it may be.
Exactly. Generalizations are always a mistake, one that analytical thinkers rarely make.
I think all secret societies are detestable. I think we all know this to be true but then twist ourselves up into the most grotesque logic trying to defend them because someone we like is in a secret society, or we hear that George Washington was a Freemason. But if you stop and just think about it, obviously secret societies are wrong.
I'm pretty sure they were originally just a pre socialist Christian labor union back when private businesses were still a thing and got taken over by satanic globalists. It's all in the name, masonry is building and free refers to independent self employed private businesses. They came together because private businesses are like a family business and not a socialist collectively owned (by shareholding working class) mega corporation so they needed others to help each other while remaining individualistic. Since they didn't have 100s or 1000s of employees and shareholders and lawyer armies etc. they sort of just worked together for self interest and protection. There are still some today that are going back to old ways and distance themselves from the globalist satanists who want a new world order.
York and Scottish rite are available to be joined by any 3rd degree Master Mason. 33rd degree is invite only.
Feel free to pm me if you want information from a real Mason.
the curse is not only against yourself but all the generations of your blood line thereafter ....
you all need to break the curse if your family has been involved ... like minez
How to break the curse?
this channel on youtube had a very long vid about it but it may have been on the bitchute account ...
just so happens syntiny in the universal she actually does a brief denouncement at the very end of todays vid....
its an amazing channel one of my favorites light years ahead of where most of us are thinking .....
enjoy the journey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyamElvGwM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jBOkPk3AxcsA/
personally i would hunt the bitchute channel for the longer version ... i doubt youtube would have allowed for longer than a few hours ...
quite by accident i found it
feel free to share everywhere
https://youtu.be/ifh9Y3Sf8FU
Do people not even know that oaths such as this are also taken by mormons who go through temple marraige? The warnings not to reveal the secrets if the temple rituals, garbs worn, etc? The LDS church temples are masonic.
Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’ But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
-Matthew 5:33-37
My response to bubble , was deleted by someone, so here it is again.
Sure, We agree. I realize that my black and white view is more polarizing than a grey approach. On this subject I'd rather help influence others to not only never open the door, but know why they don't want to.
A friend I've known since childhood, got into it. He was conflicted, left ,went back again finally left for good. He knew it wasn't right but the spectrum you referr to is evil from the beginning.
Satan comes as an angel of light.
The post bringing out great conversation is exposing the roots of the cabal.
Ok, thank you, so just because my family members were masons. Doesn't mean they were evil, correct? I mean, I know we all live our own lives. I have both of their, oh gosh Mason levels in email form. As I -2 yrs ago per family request contacted both of their I guess home lodges. Papa was just a regular freemason in good standing. Resignation. Great grandpa ( other side ) Scottish right mason didn't mention a degree, said wife good standing. The only difference on his was the year of birth. 10 yrs difference. Could be a typo. Idk. I didn't ask. Family didn't question.
Yeah, being freemason doesnt mean evil, but it surely means naughty - because freemasons take oaths to put other freemasons ahead of anyone else in business / government etc. This gives unfair advantage to freemasons - for example a freemason going to court will find the judge (who is also a freemason) would be highly biased towards them, and hence better chance of winning the case.
Similarly a business contractor who is freemason, making a bid for the project has higher chance of winning the bid if the person on the other end is also freemason.
So, this is not nice, but at the same time not evil (But definitely slippery slope). These are usually the same people who are really successful in life, and laugh at others for being straight on narrow. Not saying your dad and granddad were the same, but chances are, being freemasons they were taking advantage of the society to some extent.
With the coming Awakening and increase in spiritual awareness, this is perhaps something you can meditate on, and maybe look back at the family fortunes and perhaps think about ways to give it back to the society.
This is how they hook you.. give you a taste of riches then get you to do more.. etc.
Neither were rich. Nor had riches. Maybe I'm missing something, do you mean other than money? Well, neither had that. I really just want to learn. And am being as honest as I can.
I know I'm gonna sound like an asshole, but that's reaaaaaaally close to socialism there.
Note close, it was a bullseye. That's the same language the reparations cult uses.
Voluntary charity/helping his community is not socialism.
Sins of their fathers and all...
There were/ are no family fortunes. That's one reason I don't understand why they say freemasons are so evil. And cabal etc.. neither of my families have money or treasures or anything. That's why I would like to learn and discuss.
Would be really good to find out what level they were both at. If they never made it past 3, it would explain why no family fortune and also the fact they were actually very nice people. At the first 3 levels its more like a fraternity than anything else.
Makes me recall the Rittenhouse trial where he preformed the Master of the Second Veil standing before the judge.
OR, maybe he was just putting something in his jacket pocket.
Not every picture of someone with their hand in their jacket is Masonic.
Who did that?
What is that?
I don’t know that I would call supporting other member naughty... In court proceedings, yes, but you’d be hard pressed in business where a competitive edge would be given if potential connections went to the same college.
As a privately held company you are free to do business with whomever you want. If you are a public company then there will be more regulations and corporate responsibilities you might be breaking. You might break anti-trust laws. If you are in a bank and favour certain people while making loans etc, you might be breaking a whole bunch of regulations.
Naughty is probably an understatement in these cases.
Because that happens in business, freemasons or not.
This can be said about any religion/congregation anywhere. Take care of their fold before helping others
No, it does not. For example if a Christian Judge shows a consistent bias to a Christian plaintiff/defendant in his courtroom, then he will face disciplinary action for that. Same with any religion/congregation in an setting of authority.
Yes, take care of your fold first ony our personal time, not in your professional capacity. That is the crucial difference. This is also the reason why these orgs need to be secret societies.
Let's look back at yours. Any slave ownership or or native slaughter you should atone for?
May I ask what about this comment is upsetting you, fren ? This comment was specifically for the person who talked about free masonry in his family past.
As for my family, the up in for poor rural Asia so highly unlikely there were any slaves unless they were my ancestors, but sure I will ask grandpa of he kept slaves while toiling dawn to dusk for the local Zamindar - land owner
Scientology recruits help feed the poor at stalls giving hand outs to the needy, up the food chain it's racketeering, kidnap, stalking, murder etc.
Ok, another interesting angle. That side of family from the South, not that means scientology couldn't be involved. Would you mind elaborating?
Well, when you say involved, all these things are ran by the same people basically. DYOR but could start here.
http://lermanet.org/scientology-and-occult/scarlet-and-the-beast.html
I was making a more generalised point though that just about any organisation, any, the people lower down are plebs, the middle ranks are full of true believers getting paid nothing for the effort they put in, and the top are sharks. This is true whether we're talking about walmart, the dnc, nike, whatever. Specifically though, most alternative belief systems and cults and whatever else are ran by the puppet masters.
As i mentioned a lot of veterans joined together after the wars keeping the brotherhood together so to speak, to the lower levels it was a means of business networking so perhaps your grandfather joined up as my grandfather did …. Let’s shake on that lol , most are Presbyterian as for some reason you can’t join if your a Catholic
Well if ur a freemason you also can't be Catholic so there. ANATHEMA
Papa reg freemason never went to church. Don't know if that means anything. Great grandpa Scottish right mason was Lutheran. Don't know if that means anything?
Lutherans are Germanic Presbyterians or closely associated with.
Papa wasn't religious. He was very Patriotic. That's where I get that from. Just not religious. I get that elsewhere.
I think a lot of it at the lower levels is benign. More like a club than secret society. My family members going back up the tree included many masons. Some were good people and I am sure didnt make it very far. One was not a good person and was very high up regionally and possibly nationally. My great great grandfather so theres not a lot of specific info other than family lore. He however was not a good man. I think its a chicken/egg situation. Being a mason doesnt make you bad, you are what you are and at a low/entry level you are still that person. But at each level you take another oath, at the highest levels cursing your own family and generations after. You at that point are trapped and couldnt get out if you wanted to. I would have to believe there is a reason you arent allowed to leave. They arent worried you will talk about the great bourbon and cigars you shared over the weekend. They would only require those oaths if there was more to hide. My mother spent a lot of time researching the rites, oaths and curses at each level to try to break her children, me and my siblings, from that line of generational curses. I will see if i can get some of her resoures she used and pass them along to you to research for yourself. If you family was in the Illinois area its quite likely they knew mine if they went up to a high enough level. I will see what I can find and share it
I didn't know that... my brothers a mason- we were raised Catholic, he doesn't participate in Catholicism anymore (nor do I).
Another brother went to a few meeting and stopped going.... the mason absolutely hates him over it.
Catholics have been at war with Masonry since the Babylonian religion infiltrated & corrupted the knights Templars back in the 13th Century.
Roman Catholicism is the Babylonian religion, and has merely disguised its pagan traditions with Christian terminology in many cases.
Hello Duke of Kent lol come and join us. The tea is just being served. ☕
Hope the crumpets are fresh, fren... 😁
Of course fren enjoy
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Not really adding a whole lot to the discussion here.
I believe it is considered a 'lucifarian religion'.
How do you know that. Or did you read it online?
There was a really good video about freemasonry by Bill Cooper. Explains a lot of stuff. Recently there was a long video by Allytan Child exposing Freemasonry and talking about the specific things they do in specific levels. There have been other people also, who have talked about different aspects of Freemasonry over the years.
If you listened to William Cooper then you know freemasonry is evil.
Like I explained, its a spectrum as you go up the levels. By the time you reach 33, yeah, definitely far beyond evil. But the earlier levels are different.
Unless it's coming from actual freemasons who defefected because they have first hand experience, I'm not interested
Lol, if you are not interested what are you doing in this thread? ;)
Allytan Child is a defector
It’s not a secret society. It’s a society of secrets. You can easily find any Freemason Lodge.
Exactly. When I was young I joined becuase I though it was an Esoteric Wisom school where we could learn about history, artifacts, etc. realized it's a frat boy club with larpers, and the top people get recruted into weird shit. Lot's of other things I didn't like so i left and never came back after the last 11 years or so.
Those on the bottom think this is a game. Those 33 and above... "religion" can justify some horrible things.
How high did you go? Did you get to interact with higher level members, or was the interaction pretty much with peer levels?
My father was a mason, and I have his "Morals and Dogma" book; the bible of masons. The book equates Jesus, Moses, and Mohammed. That pretty much tells you all you need to know. But like most members, my father probably never even read the book, and almost certainly knew nothing about the evil intent of the organization.
Yeah, but real Satanism is an atheistic philosophy based on being your best self and doing no harm unless harmed, at which point you destroy your enemies.
Does nobody find it weird that these bogeyman are just boogeyman and the stuff that's said is generally from a place of ignorance?
Where did you get this?
What you quoted is what a lot of satanists believe.
luciferians is probably a more accurate description of what the Freemasons are.