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posted 4 years ago by ghost_of_aswartz 4 years ago by ghost_of_aswartz +267 / -0
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– makemyday007 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Also they can’t participate in campaign financing of politicians.

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– Losferwords 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

You also need to decouple Big Pharma from government.

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– snowpuppy 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Big Pharma, Big Tech, Hollywood and other toxic Biggies are pure products of the government.

To destroy them, end the concept of intellectual property. No more patents. No more copyright. They will pretend it will end all research and creation. Let them cry and watch the little guys take their place.

Intellectual property is an insane concept. Monopoly on thoughts. The "knowledge economy" requires mind control to exist.

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– HonestBobbin 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Agreed, granted I thought when IP protections was originally set up, it was only valid under copyright for 7-10 years (I need to go study that again). Then it was public domain.

Mickey Mouse is an infuarting example, no one is able to use the image for any reason without Disney coming down on them for a likeness that is many decades old.

I strongly support copyright protections, but only for a limited time & then it needs to become public domain.

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– ImaSueDeNym 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

It's baffling to me how anyone would think it a good idea to do away with intellectual property rights.

Some of the things I see said in this forum would fit in well with socialist lefties. Blatant anti-capitalism, wanting to break up Amazon's company and giving their property to their competitors to make it more "fair", putting limits on how much profit a company or individual can make, wanting to prevent people from having the right to their own intellectual property, wanting to make MORE laws, etc...

Seriously, has anyone else noticed this lately? I don't know if it's happening more often than before or if I'm just noticing it more now. I really don't like hypocrisy and that seems to be a lot of what I'm seeing here. It's extremely disappointing to see that here.

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– KickingPugilist 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Well we have epi pens to costing hundreds of dollars despite the technology being old and US military created. There are things that should be accessible to people.

Gov regulation is also an issue because we have Pfizer making pfizermectin instead of just using ivermectin so they can copyright and profit off of their version of the already cheap drug that we can't get.

Remdesivir is a sorts drug and hot garbage, lethal, and expensive yet that's all hospitals allow.

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– ImaSueDeNym 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Do you remember when everyone was fighting about the Affordable Care Act when President Trump first entered office? When leftists were saying we should have government funded healthcare for everyone because it was unethical for companies to profit from illness and that everyone should have accessible healthcare?

I'm curious on which side you landed on that argument. Because conservatives were saying that healthcare IS accessible to everyone (similar to how you're saying insulin should be accessible to everyone).

It's just odd to me to see the same arguments sociaists were using to argue for government funded healthcare being argued here.

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– KickingPugilist 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

At the time I was covered under my parents' insurance, and since, I've had great insurance through my profession.

But the ACA was terrible even for those who believe in a public option.

Idk where I stand on that. I have friends in Spain who had multiple chemo sessions and have not paid other than through taxes.

My grandfather in Spain has had open heart surgery and multiple other treatments without paying on the spot.

Then again, treatments are rationed and wait times can be long for non ER procedures.

Medicare is a nightmare and would not scale up to 100% of US population, as it stands it's a huge expense to gov budget and serves something like 15% of the population.

Illegals cost us a fortune as they don't have SS# and use the ERs en masses.

US Hospitals charge $50 for a generic Tylenol and pass it to the insurance changes who raise premiums and pass it on to us.

In the US, I had a friend with no insurance have to pay 35,000 for a half hour surgery when he broke his elbow. Another friend pay 2600 for 6 stitches on his finger.

Ultimately, I don't want government bureaucrats to call the shots in Healthcare. But as it stands in the US, the shot callers are the administrators, AMA, NIH, CDC so gov still calls shots and policies (look no further than. Remdesivir and ventilator treatment for US hospitals, banning IVM and HCQ, setting policy to make people wait until they can't breathe to get treatment vs early treatment.

So I don't support Obama care, but I don't support whatever it is we have now.

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– SurelyShirley 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Why even allow them to exist anymore? They’re totally built on greed. And the false premise that their manufactured products are somehow better than the plant-based products they try to mimic. Plus, if we got rid of crap food as well as all the chemicals in all of our products including household cleaner, personal care products, fragrances, etc, then we would not need Big Pharma. Well, we would also need to get rid of the fear-mongering politicians and government officials b/c they definitely raise stress levels, which is part of our health problem.

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– Emyrylde 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

You definitely have the right idea. We need smaller government and fewer regulations but somehow need to take away all of Big Pharma's power........ get rid of them entirely.

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– SurelyShirley 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Big Pharma, Big Food, Big Tech, Big Govt!

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– Andre123 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Sorry, but the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J pharmaceutical divisions must be obliterated. They can’t be trusted. Pfizer was fined before and they just continue down the same path. Moderna has never brought a vaccine to market and J&J has been sued regarding talc powder and others. No 2nd or 3rd chance.

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– WhoKnowsAnymore 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

My mother is on chemo currently. I’m convinced it’s a scam, literal poison that only temporarily alleviates the problem. Great cash cow for the industry…

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– WeAreTheWorld 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I think the first thing we need to do is to decouple the heads of the executives of these companies from their bodies. I’m betting this method would leave a lasting impression on future executives.

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– SuckaFree 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0
  1. end the practice of Congressional lobbying by Big Corporations, ESPECIALLY Big Pharma.
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– zanonks 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Or just make them liable for the drugs they push. There should be an alarming amount of transparency into any drug that is manufactured and sold without liability.

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– JulesW 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The CDC and FDA must be dismantled. Medical journals must be forced to admit the shady shit they have lied about for decades. People on the take must be made examples of before we can ever think about correcting “medicine.” The entire industry is corrupt. Hospitals have perfected milking taxpayers for Medicaid and Medicare funds. I’m not sure how we even start fixing the fucked up process.

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– Lapstrake 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Look at this carefully to understand what is going on. The following is a link to the FDA's own web page.

https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/fda-basics/fact-sheet-fda-glance

About 54 percent, or $3.3 billion, of FDA’s budget is provided by federal budget authorization. The remaining 46 percent, or $2.8 billion, is paid for by industry user fees.

Industry user fees? Who pays those?

Think about where 46% of the FDA's budget comes from? What would happen to all the jobs at the FDA if Big Pharma said nope. We aren't going do any new drugs in the USA right now.

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– Canadianguy17 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

It's all HORSE SHIT.

Germ Theory is JUNK SCIENCE.

Please have a look at Terrain Theory.

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– AipacisAmericanenemy 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

forgot funding politicians and regulatory capture.

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– Mr_A 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Or... it could be deregulated. Most countries don't force you to see a doctor for drugs, and don't have multiple kickback schemes like copays and pharmacy exclusivity for drugs. The only reason pharma bro could buy a factory that was profitably selling pills for 5 dollars and raise the price to 1000 is because of regulatory walls that prevent competition. Remove the regulations, and boom: back to $5 again.

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– OXRanger 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Isolated corner ? Put them in the toilet, flush and plunge, plunge, plunge! Complete liquidation of all their assets, patents and HUGE reserve fund for victim payout previously estopped by EUA immunity. Liquidation of personal assets and fortunes of executive officers, senior staff and department heads who all know they are committing crimes against humanity. Liquidation hurts creditors that colluded with them. Execute the decision makers and drivers of the vaccine murder scheme. . .execs, lobbyists, science guys and bribed politicians past and present. Why sully a perfectly good isolated corner; shut them down forever.

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– raggedyman74 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Make them non profits.

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– metapriest 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Easier said than done. Smart rich people operate thru proxies.

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– AwakeJesusisComing21 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I thought at one time they were not able to advertise or at least there were restrictions on the way they were permitted to advertise.

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– VetforTrump 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

We need better food and a natural remedies.

Very little room for all their fake cures.

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– Brew_Dude 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

You know it's bad when the anti-corporation people are on "Team Pfizer" or "Team Moderna". It proves that with enough money pumped into propaganda, the sheep will herd quite easily.

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– Belowzero 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Great idea!

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– HB_propmaster 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Release all current drug patents and ban patenting of any drugs.

This can be called the 'Pfizer Act' naming it after the most egregious drug company in history, forever reminding people who is to blame, and so other drug companies who will lose billions because of this act, will know the company and/or board members who are to blame for their lost fortune...

They will no longer have the money to spend on advertising, or lobbying, or bribery of gov officials, or funding the CDC/NIH/FDA, that one act will pull the money lynch pin out from the system.

This will also encourage finding more uses for existing drugs, eg HCQ/IVM, they will want to sell the most existing drugs, instead of making up new ones to survive as a business.

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– ditzee58 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Cigarette ads were banned because they could make people sick or kill them. Pharmaceuticals can as well so they should also be banned

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– HonestBobbin 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Um I tend to fall on the side that IF the research takes ANY public money, the resulting product MUST be an open source publicly accessible result.

Having had family that could not get funding for research in their university programs (looked for root causes of diabetes in his) I don't like the idea of taking crowdsourced funding off the table (granted I hate the idea of tax payer funded anything outside of military).

Pharma does need to be decoupled & insurance also plays a big part in which meds are allowed to be delivered.

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