I am spiritual, but I am not by most church standards religious.
That is I believe in God, but I do not believe in churches. Churches are a control device to keep the peons in line, and they always have been.
I have been in a Catholic Church a couple of times in my life. The greatest impression it made on me was with their chanting / their ritual. It is cult like at best, and every single Catholic that was in there was an indoctrinated cult member. I was raised Baptist, and my impression of the baptist faith with their ritual of baptism is it is cult like. Its members will insist if you don't let the preacher dunk you in the water you are going to hell. I lived next door to one of the Pentecostal churches. You could hear them speaking in tongues, rolling around the floor as if possessed. It was a cult.
I talk to God almost every day. Sometimes he shows me the way, but often he doesn't. I pray to him often, and most of the time my life is blessed for it, but sometime it doesn't seem so. I have learned to pray to him to do what needs to be done, and not what I want to see. I do ask that if it is possible the outcome go as I want it too. Often it does not. I don't need a church for any of these conversations nor prayers. I don't need some pastor, preacher, or priest to intervene on my behalf. Their results would be no better than my own, and in the end they would tell me the same conclusion I have come to of my own accord. It was God's will.
Because the Church existed before the Bible and is the one who put it together. Plenty of Jewish and Roman sources talking about Christ and his followers. His Apostles went all over the place and there are records of where they ended up.
So Christians created the Bible.
The Bible says God's word is preserved.
You say the Bible is not God's preserved word.
Understand how silly you sound. I'd trust the Bible far before anyone that says to follow what a group of people are doing. That's idiotic and God agrees with me on that.
It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death. He left the Apostles to run his Church. As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament. Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
No, but you should want to abandon an idolatrous religion of control that is steeped in ritualistic superstition and riddled with a plague of pedophilia in its in upper ranks. Praying to men should be a red flag, turning prayers into a ritualistic act like its some sort of magical encantation should be another, having to go through men in order to get to God should be another, observing the statues and artwork/symbolism of the Vatican should be another huge red flag. Denominations are men raising their own banner and injecting their own rules and regulations. Repentance, your salvation and your relationship with God, is a condition of the heart not a ritual you preform.
The Devil will try to persecute the ministers of the Lord in every possible way; he will labor with cruel and subtle astuteness to deviate them from the spirit of their vocation and will corrupt many of them. These depraved priests, who will scandalize the Christian people, will make the hatred of bad Catholics and the enemies of the Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church fall upon all priests. This apparent triumph of Satan will bring enormous suffering to the good Pastors of the Church. - Our Lady of the Good Event of the Purification (16th Century)
The Catholic Church is the spotless bride of Christ. She will excise and eject the red dragon and pedo-infiltraitors in due time. And she will be more beautiful than ever before.
Hello u/XGemInaV, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!
Why wouldn't you leave the Catholic church? As if the Pope is the only pedo in there.
The entire system of the Catholic church is a Roman scam that was designed to maintain control once the peasants began revolting against them post intro to Christianity.
The Church is not The Pope. It is a system and the money Dan Bongino gives them is what keeps them alive.
Fuck the Catholic church and that fake ass religion.
Hey look b4 yall get your panties in a bunch about Cathoics, let's just remember were all Christians at the end of the day, and left to our own scwables we usually form the Strongest, Smartest, and Free-est society. But all other religions Subjegate you but we've been the best at finding our own way to follow God even when we conflict with one another Christian sect. But they're trying to tare it apart by going after institutions that are Christian, and we should sympathize with ppl who stay catholic in the hopes they can make it better.
So would you rather live along side the Islamic Caliphate who imposes shiria law? Or the Catholic pope? Sure u may say that u don't like either of them, but u live in a world where abstinence is not an option for this question.
So would you rather live along side the Islamic Caliphate who imposes shiria law? Or the Catholic pope?
What does this have to do with the catholics being a pagan sun worshipping babylonian cult that leads those seeking Jesus Christ into eternal damnation?
We are currently being invaded by the Islamic world. They're already establishing Shira law and trying to say that it's above any law that the States or US GOV makes. While I agree not every law is moral, it's based around a lot of Christian norms that Cathlics don't really disrupt the way Muslims will disrupt it. Unless u believe that anyone but your religion should be exterminated because they're not Christian enough.
Me I know I'd rather not lose the Christian majority to infiltration. Our country is a nation if Christians, and there's always been a pocket of catholics here from the start. Ppl left Europe to leave religious persecution, and at the end of the day the 1st ammendment was meant to put aside those difference here in American and see one another as American.
So I ask again, would u rather live with Catholics or Muslims.
Christians left Europe because of persecution against them by the roman catholic church. They burned people at the stake who disagreed with them. They only stopped it because firearms became readily available and people shot back.
We would be a stronger nation in Jesus Christ without the catholics leading everyone into paganism. Don't believe me, read just one chapter of the Bible, see if it isn't anticatholic
Pray to God silently so that no man can hear you, ask Him for forgiveness. Store your treasures in Heaven, have you seen the gold, silver and jewels they display at anyone of their cathedrals? They drain the life out of Christianity.
There is a low-boil internal civil war currently going on between liberals and traditionalists. Look-up youtube channels like Dr. Taylor Marshall or Return to Tradition to get an idea. anti-pope bergoglio has really turned up the heat against trads over the last few months.
It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death.
NONE of the New Testament existed until after Christ's death.
He left the Apostles to run his Church.
He COMMISSIONED the Apostles to preach the Gospel unto all nations and all races.
Matthew 28 KJV 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
He didn't tell them to go into the world and set up pagan ritual centers. Let's define "church" while have the opportunity, the church is the Body Of Christ. Read your Bible. When you believe, your body becomes the Temple of the Lord, as do the bodies of all believers.
As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
John 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16 KJV 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This is Jesus telling the Apostles that the Holy Spirit will make them remember what was spoken to them by Jesus, the Word of God, (the Gospels) and show them the truth of things to come (Epistles, Letters and Revelation.)
The Apostles wrote the Gospels, Epistles, Letters and Revelation. All of them finished before 100AD. Peeps were quoting from these works as early as 127AD. Study up on "Antioch texts."
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament.
This is not true, a pagan catholic lie like their father lies. Jesus quoted from the OT and there are over 200 quotes of the OT in the writings of the NT. It was called the Tanakh and is believed to have been canonized somewhere between 400 to 200BC, by the Levites, scribes and other members of the OT priesthood.
Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
The catholic version of the Old Testament includes the Apocrypha and I challenge you to find one verse from the Apocrypha that either Jesus or the Apostles quoted. They only quoted from the original 39 books of the Tanakh.
“It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death“
I didn’t write this like I intended. I meant many of the events in the New Testament occurred after Christ’s death.
As Catholics we believe in the Truth. Just because people were pagans didn’t mean they were cut off from the Truth. Aristotle used reason to get pretty close to the Truth. So one of the tools the Apostles used was to talk to people and learn their culture and discover what aspects of the Truth existed in their culture and build on those. Those that were not compatible needed to be pruned away.
Of course many of the books existed before 100AD. But there were also others not included. But The Apostles didn’t have to teach from the written word they actually knew Christ so taught from memory. We obviously have letters when they had to clear up misunderstandings of the various people. And after hundreds of years it should be obvious many false versions would be created. Which is why to combat this the Church had to formalize the Bible into the current cannon.
The Orthodox and some Jews also use the deuterocanonical books. Luther removed them to conform to his theology. I think there was a warning in the Bible about that.
The fact is if you only believe in the Bible you are free to interpret it anyway you want which ends up making it meaningless.
Hello u/trout007, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!
Find a church that still practices the tridentine latin mass.
Edited to add:
Just as we've opened our eyes to the decay and utter evil that had infiltrated and compromised our institutions such as those of the health/medical, law, education, we should know expect that the Church also has been infiltrated and compromised. Remember that those who commit sins and crimes are individual men; not God.
I am spiritual, but I am not by most church standards religious.
That is I believe in God, but I do not believe in churches. Churches are a control device to keep the peons in line, and they always have been.
I have been in a Catholic Church a couple of times in my life. The greatest impression it made on me was with their chanting / their ritual. It is cult like at best, and every single Catholic that was in there was an indoctrinated cult member. I was raised Baptist, and my impression of the baptist faith with their ritual of baptism is it is cult like. Its members will insist if you don't let the preacher dunk you in the water you are going to hell. I lived next door to one of the Pentecostal churches. You could hear them speaking in tongues, rolling around the floor as if possessed. It was a cult.
I talk to God almost every day. Sometimes he shows me the way, but often he doesn't. I pray to him often, and most of the time my life is blessed for it, but sometime it doesn't seem so. I have learned to pray to him to do what needs to be done, and not what I want to see. I do ask that if it is possible the outcome go as I want it too. Often it does not. I don't need a church for any of these conversations nor prayers. I don't need some pastor, preacher, or priest to intervene on my behalf. Their results would be no better than my own, and in the end they would tell me the same conclusion I have come to of my own accord. It was God's will.
Christ left a Church not a book.
How do you know that? Please don't be silly enough to say the bible.
Because the Church existed before the Bible and is the one who put it together. Plenty of Jewish and Roman sources talking about Christ and his followers. His Apostles went all over the place and there are records of where they ended up.
So Christians created the Bible. The Bible says God's word is preserved. You say the Bible is not God's preserved word.
Understand how silly you sound. I'd trust the Bible far before anyone that says to follow what a group of people are doing. That's idiotic and God agrees with me on that.
So Christianity didn’t exist until the Bible was canninized 400 years after Christ?
Again you are following tradition. You have zero proof that the Bible didn't exist until a group of people met to do a thing.
Are you saying genesis didn't exist until after Jesus was dead?
Again you are speaking nonsense. If you cannot use the Bible to decide which group to follow, do you just follow your heart?
It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death. He left the Apostles to run his Church. As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament. Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
Amen
I agree and some are to actively direct people away from God.
We don't abandon Jesus because of Judas.
No, but you should want to abandon an idolatrous religion of control that is steeped in ritualistic superstition and riddled with a plague of pedophilia in its in upper ranks. Praying to men should be a red flag, turning prayers into a ritualistic act like its some sort of magical encantation should be another, having to go through men in order to get to God should be another, observing the statues and artwork/symbolism of the Vatican should be another huge red flag. Denominations are men raising their own banner and injecting their own rules and regulations. Repentance, your salvation and your relationship with God, is a condition of the heart not a ritual you preform.
Well said!
The Catholic Church is the spotless bride of Christ. She will excise and eject the red dragon and pedo-infiltraitors in due time. And she will be more beautiful than ever before.
Yeah, after they get done packing all the world's gold and treasure into the vatican's vaults, they'll get right on it.
We know you by your fruits.
Hello u/XGemInaV, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!
Very good
This poop was put in place to detroy the Catholic Church. He is trying to create a one world religion.
Christianity and Islam do not mix and keep the message of Christianity intact.
Why wouldn't you leave the Catholic church? As if the Pope is the only pedo in there.
The entire system of the Catholic church is a Roman scam that was designed to maintain control once the peasants began revolting against them post intro to Christianity.
The Church is not The Pope. It is a system and the money Dan Bongino gives them is what keeps them alive.
Fuck the Catholic church and that fake ass religion.
Hey look b4 yall get your panties in a bunch about Cathoics, let's just remember were all Christians at the end of the day, and left to our own scwables we usually form the Strongest, Smartest, and Free-est society. But all other religions Subjegate you but we've been the best at finding our own way to follow God even when we conflict with one another Christian sect. But they're trying to tare it apart by going after institutions that are Christian, and we should sympathize with ppl who stay catholic in the hopes they can make it better.
let's just remember were all Christians at the end of the day,
People that say catholics are Christians have never read the Bible.
So would you rather live along side the Islamic Caliphate who imposes shiria law? Or the Catholic pope? Sure u may say that u don't like either of them, but u live in a world where abstinence is not an option for this question.
So would you rather live along side the Islamic Caliphate who imposes shiria law? Or the Catholic pope?
What does this have to do with the catholics being a pagan sun worshipping babylonian cult that leads those seeking Jesus Christ into eternal damnation?
We are currently being invaded by the Islamic world. They're already establishing Shira law and trying to say that it's above any law that the States or US GOV makes. While I agree not every law is moral, it's based around a lot of Christian norms that Cathlics don't really disrupt the way Muslims will disrupt it. Unless u believe that anyone but your religion should be exterminated because they're not Christian enough.
Me I know I'd rather not lose the Christian majority to infiltration. Our country is a nation if Christians, and there's always been a pocket of catholics here from the start. Ppl left Europe to leave religious persecution, and at the end of the day the 1st ammendment was meant to put aside those difference here in American and see one another as American.
So I ask again, would u rather live with Catholics or Muslims.
Christians left Europe because of persecution against them by the roman catholic church. They burned people at the stake who disagreed with them. They only stopped it because firearms became readily available and people shot back.
We would be a stronger nation in Jesus Christ without the catholics leading everyone into paganism. Don't believe me, read just one chapter of the Bible, see if it isn't anticatholic
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-6/
Pray to God silently so that no man can hear you, ask Him for forgiveness. Store your treasures in Heaven, have you seen the gold, silver and jewels they display at anyone of their cathedrals? They drain the life out of Christianity.
I don't see a whole lot of persecution towards the catholic church, I think that says it all.
There is a low-boil internal civil war currently going on between liberals and traditionalists. Look-up youtube channels like Dr. Taylor Marshall or Return to Tradition to get an idea. anti-pope bergoglio has really turned up the heat against trads over the last few months.
https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/england-new-restrictions-after-traditionis-custodes-71277?utm_source=SSPX+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=b40e66a370-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_11_17_09_55_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7e99fe6b53-b40e66a370-100066197&mc_cid=b40e66a370
For a while there, liberals were constantly bashing the Catholic Church. That all came to a quick stop right around the time Pope Pinko I took over.
Yep
trout007 3 points 11 hours ago +3 / -0
It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death.
NONE of the New Testament existed until after Christ's death.
He left the Apostles to run his Church.
He COMMISSIONED the Apostles to preach the Gospel unto all nations and all races.
Matthew 28 KJV 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
He didn't tell them to go into the world and set up pagan ritual centers. Let's define "church" while have the opportunity, the church is the Body Of Christ. Read your Bible. When you believe, your body becomes the Temple of the Lord, as do the bodies of all believers.
As various groups had wrong interpretations they had to formalize the teachings and put together the best documents to put together the Bible.
John 14:26 KJV But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16 KJV 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
This is Jesus telling the Apostles that the Holy Spirit will make them remember what was spoken to them by Jesus, the Word of God, (the Gospels) and show them the truth of things to come (Epistles, Letters and Revelation.)
The Apostles wrote the Gospels, Epistles, Letters and Revelation. All of them finished before 100AD. Peeps were quoting from these works as early as 127AD. Study up on "Antioch texts."
And yes before the Catholic Church canonized the Bible there was no official Old Testament.
This is not true, a pagan catholic lie like their father lies. Jesus quoted from the OT and there are over 200 quotes of the OT in the writings of the NT. It was called the Tanakh and is believed to have been canonized somewhere between 400 to 200BC, by the Levites, scribes and other members of the OT priesthood.
Various Jewish groups had different books they thought were valid. Now the Pentateuch including Genesis was pretty universally accepted but the Catholic Church made the Greek version the Septuagint the official version since it was what was in more common use at the time.
The catholic version of the Old Testament includes the Apocrypha and I challenge you to find one verse from the Apocrypha that either Jesus or the Apostles quoted. They only quoted from the original 39 books of the Tanakh.
u/trout007 u/PaleMale
Thanks for the conversation.
“It’s a matter of Logic. Much of the New Testament didn’t exist until after Christ’s death“
I didn’t write this like I intended. I meant many of the events in the New Testament occurred after Christ’s death.
As Catholics we believe in the Truth. Just because people were pagans didn’t mean they were cut off from the Truth. Aristotle used reason to get pretty close to the Truth. So one of the tools the Apostles used was to talk to people and learn their culture and discover what aspects of the Truth existed in their culture and build on those. Those that were not compatible needed to be pruned away.
Of course many of the books existed before 100AD. But there were also others not included. But The Apostles didn’t have to teach from the written word they actually knew Christ so taught from memory. We obviously have letters when they had to clear up misunderstandings of the various people. And after hundreds of years it should be obvious many false versions would be created. Which is why to combat this the Church had to formalize the Bible into the current cannon.
The Orthodox and some Jews also use the deuterocanonical books. Luther removed them to conform to his theology. I think there was a warning in the Bible about that.
The fact is if you only believe in the Bible you are free to interpret it anyway you want which ends up making it meaningless.
Hello u/trout007, I'm just combing through old posts/comments referencing Catholicism so that I can let people know that c/Catholic was created a few days ago. It's pretty quiet right now, but I'm hoping we can build it up. Next time you're on .win come by and check it out! God bless!
Just look at audience hall. Literally the head of the snake.
The Catholic Church is a satanic instrument used by the Cabal.
The Catholic Church has not been a true Christian organization for centuries.
I see the cult followers down voted my statement.
If the Catholic Church is so good, why did they smuggle the Nazis out of Germany at the end of WWII?
Why have they covered up decades and decades of child abuse and child rape?
Find a church that still practices the tridentine latin mass.
Edited to add: Just as we've opened our eyes to the decay and utter evil that had infiltrated and compromised our institutions such as those of the health/medical, law, education, we should know expect that the Church also has been infiltrated and compromised. Remember that those who commit sins and crimes are individual men; not God.
Get out the honk honk in the Vatican
The Catholic Church left you a long time ago Dan.
Is Pope Francis a Socialist is the title of this video. Where has this dude been? It’s not like Pope Francis ever hid his beliefs…
He’s no pope. #sedevacante
To be replaced by another pedo. Dude cannot think even 1 step ahead.
This is how bad fox news is now, the supposed right wing, pro American conservatives can't even correctly identify a babylonian pagan cult.