Not a doomer at all...but this intrigues me. Trump really believes that states will decertify their electors? He's always been right, but how? I mean the pressure against state legislators would be overwhelming. Even if WI did recall their electors what about other states? The dems would fight tooth and nail...and rightly so, if the truth came out a lot of them would go to jail. Just curious how the "decertify" would actually work.
It's not "dooming" - just being realistic. People around here get all 'hoped' up but reality is this sort of thing happens a lot. "Everything is falling down around their ears!" - no, it isn't. Some incremental progress is made. Now wait and see for 8 months. Some more incremental progress is made. Now wait a bit longer. Etc. Just realism. What you say is correct - it's not going to be a walk in the park from here.
Nothing personal but a lot of folks on this forum would make the shittiest farmers imaginable. Digging up planted seeds left and right every few days, screaming their lungs loose at the little buggers:
"GROW, damn you!! What, you want MORE patience, MORE weeding, MORE food, MORE water?? Fuck YOU!!! All the fuck you ever want is MORE—and more time!!!
"What month are you finally going to grow?? WHEN oh WHEN the fuck is it ever going to HAPPEN????!!!
THIS. I don't believe that "The Plan" is real, but I also don't believe that it isn't real. The factor of difficulty is the uncertainty. It's like having faith in a prophecy from a prophet of God, except the prophet has almost no true vetting.
When you strip away hopium and confirmation bias, the source (Q) has just enough evidence and credibility to suggest there may be something to it all, but almost everything is still left in the dark with little evidence that things will fully work out and no timetable for them to work out in. This little bit is what makes trying to follow it all so compelling.
LOL If you try to reprimand everyone who jokingly mocks a doomer on this site, you won't have time for much else, Pompous Magnus.
"Grace" is great, pray for it. Behavior still comes with consequences. For dooming, which is poisonous and contagious negativity, that can include a little ribbing, OK?
You can still cuddle them, just don't expect it to catch on. :)
In his defense...the farmers would be "shitty" and not like well adjusted good farmers...And I think the slam was at all of the "just 2 more week" posters I see. Just a thought.
Except we’re not growing plants. We’re trying to overthrow a regime that has been imposing misery on the human race for centuries if not millennia. It hits different when things aren’t going well. If you fail at farming you just plant more seeds and try again.
I really believe this is Plan A. Part of the The Great Awakening. Legal, everyone can see and understand it. The Demonrats have been fighting tooth and nail since 11/3/20. We have no choice but to keep going. This is the surest. non violent way. And yes the traitors, as Trump has called them, will be exposed, tried, and punished. In front of the world. All will see and a lesson taught. Otherwise we wouldn't be going through this.
A random thought... even if only enough to overturn the election decertified and our government decided to stay the course, we could be in a weird predicament where we'd have two actual presidents. That is if states would contest it and completely reject this puppet crap going on now.
No idea "constitutionally" how or legality wise how... but, none of this right now is legal and much of what is going on now is illegal. Maybe states should stand up and say they're getting back to a constitutional standard and reject DC.
Of course, there's also devolution... which I'm still on the fence on, personally. Has a lot of good arguments tho.
Some people are asking, if WI does this then what makes us think that other states will do the same?
I feel like it's a game of chicken...who's brave enough to do it first. Wisconsin seems to be leading the way, probably because they have fewer fucks to give when it comes to liberal and MSM hate that will follow.
Sorta like what Gov Desantis does. At this point, Florida has the biggest set of balls out of all of the 50 states (including TX). FL paves the way by creating laws and policy that is wildly unpopular with the left. The key is, FL doesn't give a fuck about what the MSM and Left says or thinks. They do what is morally right.
Have you noticed that in most cases, when FL hits a new Conservative milestone, other states seem to follow, because: "hey...if FL can do it then so can we!"
So, what does this have to do with Wisconsin and recalling electors? If WI decertifies first, then I have a feeling that other states will realize two new realities:
There will manifest a new "Wisconsin did it, so we can too!" mentality. Why didn't any other states (like Arizona) take lead? It's just that they didn't have the balls to do it first, but they are more than happy to join the party after it has already started.
They will see that despite what the left and the MSM screechers harp on about, WI won't give a fuck, and when these other states see that WI didn't spontaneously combust because of the liberal hate machine, they may find the courage to do the right thing themselves.
I love the way Biden downfall and the 2020 fraud unravel are happening simultaneously. Might present the perfect opportunity for Grandpa Trump to come back home
If we did that we'd have the rest of the world knocking on our door to take our resources. Kind of like how we pushed aside the natives living here. I'm not saying you aren't partially right but you are assuming we live in a world equally distributed in IQ morality and level of violence. You still need an overall government and standing army to protect you from china's billions looking for their free 150 acres in our promised land. But yeah more states rights parental control and community engagement would be great.
I wonder if they are in a holding pattern waiting for dems to 25th pudding brain. Idk why I just think it would be the most weight shift of the dem establishment. Putting them and keeping them on their heels.
25th, decert, put massive spotlight on dems as they scramble, no move they make is the right one, arrests begin, rats flip. Too me it just seems as the most massive exposure to their corruption.
Right. With all those"peaceful protestors" burning left-run cities and pop-up tent enclaves of drug addicts and thugs. We can only hope "things" have changed (funding cut, NG in place and ready to quash things, some actual news seeping out into msm, better 2A laws in place in several places, etc).
Not gonna decertifag this thing (expect or hope states to 'do the right thing' and decertify; OR expect that, once they do, then it'll be just like they never certified in the first place; or that any other outcome resulting in Trump's return will arise directly from some states' decertifying).
It is beyond the capacity of politicians to undo the wretched conspiracy and sedition and treason they collectively have wrought.
The state and fed legislatures aren't going to install the winner of the 2020 election. The state and fed supreme courts are compromised, unwilling, and unreliable.
We don't know what Trump has got planned, but we do know he's way too smart to rely on politicians and judges to do the right thing for America.
Robin Vos, State Assembly Speaker, is a spineless coward, so don't expect him to initiate anything. They have gone after him in Court in regards to the Special Counsel investigation, so unless that somehow enrages him or shows him he has nothing to lose and can go down as a hero, I wouldn't expect anything as radical as decertification to occur.
Yet his own words have him caught in the middle admitting to fraud. Keep believing that someone will push the bolder over the edge to get this avalanche started.
No, we Americans including Trump want to make the outcome of the election what the people voted for. It's not overturning if it's the legitimate outcome.
We're not "overturning the election." That's the fake news narrative. Like calling the anti-child-sex-grooming bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill, or Trump's phone call with Zelenskyyyy "quid pro quo".
Completely fake.
We're overturning the fraudulent result. CONFIRMING the true election.
If the military is involved, it won't be a "coup." It will be a COUNTERcoup.
If the Constitution was this black and white there would be no need for the Supreme Court.
You are correct the that the Constitution does not specifically provide a procedure for decertifying a fraudulent election; however, it doesn’t provide any specific language on accepting a fraudulent election either.
Your argument rewards fraud and corruption by claiming if you can make it from Election Day to January 6th, the fraud is no longer subject to adjudication. It doesn’t take a Constitutional Scholar to see this was never the intent of the Framers.
Interestingly your argument serves as a prime example of why the Electoral Act is unconstitutional, because it imposes artificial deadlines on the process that can, and as we plainly see, have been employed to force the certification of a fraudulent election. Pence’s letter recognized there were known unconstitutional irregularities in many key states, but cited the Electoral Act as the reason he was powerless to stop the fraud.
The Constitution is largely a limiting, constraining document. It prevents the govt from doing almost everything; it compels the govt to do almost nothing. Its job isn't to compel. That's the genius of the 10th Amendment. Anything not explicitly permitted for the fedgov to do is prohibited and is delegated to the States, or to the People directly.
Agreed and the State Legislatures have the Constitutional authority to adjudicate elections. Doubtful anyone can show a statute of limitations for decertifying an election other than the term being completed.
Well it's a good thing we have you to go out there and physically fight for all of us sheep which I'm sure you are doing. Can't keep good people like you from storming the white house and taking our country back by force. I guess I'll wait what, a day, 2? I'm sure your plan will be finished soon too?
Not a doomer at all...but this intrigues me. Trump really believes that states will decertify their electors? He's always been right, but how? I mean the pressure against state legislators would be overwhelming. Even if WI did recall their electors what about other states? The dems would fight tooth and nail...and rightly so, if the truth came out a lot of them would go to jail. Just curious how the "decertify" would actually work.
It's not "dooming" - just being realistic. People around here get all 'hoped' up but reality is this sort of thing happens a lot. "Everything is falling down around their ears!" - no, it isn't. Some incremental progress is made. Now wait and see for 8 months. Some more incremental progress is made. Now wait a bit longer. Etc. Just realism. What you say is correct - it's not going to be a walk in the park from here.
Nothing personal but a lot of folks on this forum would make the shittiest farmers imaginable. Digging up planted seeds left and right every few days, screaming their lungs loose at the little buggers:
"GROW, damn you!! What, you want MORE patience, MORE weeding, MORE food, MORE water?? Fuck YOU!!! All the fuck you ever want is MORE—and more time!!!
"What month are you finally going to grow?? WHEN oh WHEN the fuck is it ever going to HAPPEN????!!!
The distinct difference is that farmers KNOW the timing of their crops, because they've done it every year for millennia.
No one has ever been through what we're going through now - try to give the doomers a little grace.
THIS. I don't believe that "The Plan" is real, but I also don't believe that it isn't real. The factor of difficulty is the uncertainty. It's like having faith in a prophecy from a prophet of God, except the prophet has almost no true vetting.
When you strip away hopium and confirmation bias, the source (Q) has just enough evidence and credibility to suggest there may be something to it all, but almost everything is still left in the dark with little evidence that things will fully work out and no timetable for them to work out in. This little bit is what makes trying to follow it all so compelling.
Is Scepticism different than dooming, "asking for a friend."
Most definitely. We should all be skeptical of EVERYTHING. That's what keeps us from becoming NPCs.
I would argue that doomers lack skepticism, as they are CERTAIN that we've already lost... they need to be skeptical of their own doom.
LOL If you try to reprimand everyone who jokingly mocks a doomer on this site, you won't have time for much else, Pompous Magnus.
"Grace" is great, pray for it. Behavior still comes with consequences. For dooming, which is poisonous and contagious negativity, that can include a little ribbing, OK?
You can still cuddle them, just don't expect it to catch on. :)
Thanks for the advice.
In his defense...the farmers would be "shitty" and not like well adjusted good farmers...And I think the slam was at all of the "just 2 more week" posters I see. Just a thought.
Ha ha. I'm laughing.
Cheers Steph! Mission accomplished
Kek
Except we’re not growing plants. We’re trying to overthrow a regime that has been imposing misery on the human race for centuries if not millennia. It hits different when things aren’t going well. If you fail at farming you just plant more seeds and try again.
Not overthrow. That would imply they are legitimate.
Our intent is to expose the fraud, so they are removed, tried and hung lawfully.
Once they have lawfully giant dicks all will be well. Unless you mean “hanged” :P
Seriously, this war is going to drag out for another decade at least.
I really believe this is Plan A. Part of the The Great Awakening. Legal, everyone can see and understand it. The Demonrats have been fighting tooth and nail since 11/3/20. We have no choice but to keep going. This is the surest. non violent way. And yes the traitors, as Trump has called them, will be exposed, tried, and punished. In front of the world. All will see and a lesson taught. Otherwise we wouldn't be going through this.
You're absolutely right. It's been the RINO's at the pointed end of the spear in the swing states that have been so disappointing.
I get called a doomer a lot.. sacrificed my life for this country.. people don't understand how it feels.
A random thought... even if only enough to overturn the election decertified and our government decided to stay the course, we could be in a weird predicament where we'd have two actual presidents. That is if states would contest it and completely reject this puppet crap going on now.
No idea "constitutionally" how or legality wise how... but, none of this right now is legal and much of what is going on now is illegal. Maybe states should stand up and say they're getting back to a constitutional standard and reject DC.
Of course, there's also devolution... which I'm still on the fence on, personally. Has a lot of good arguments tho.
Some people are asking, if WI does this then what makes us think that other states will do the same?
I feel like it's a game of chicken...who's brave enough to do it first. Wisconsin seems to be leading the way, probably because they have fewer fucks to give when it comes to liberal and MSM hate that will follow.
Sorta like what Gov Desantis does. At this point, Florida has the biggest set of balls out of all of the 50 states (including TX). FL paves the way by creating laws and policy that is wildly unpopular with the left. The key is, FL doesn't give a fuck about what the MSM and Left says or thinks. They do what is morally right.
Have you noticed that in most cases, when FL hits a new Conservative milestone, other states seem to follow, because: "hey...if FL can do it then so can we!"
So, what does this have to do with Wisconsin and recalling electors? If WI decertifies first, then I have a feeling that other states will realize two new realities:
There will manifest a new "Wisconsin did it, so we can too!" mentality. Why didn't any other states (like Arizona) take lead? It's just that they didn't have the balls to do it first, but they are more than happy to join the party after it has already started.
They will see that despite what the left and the MSM screechers harp on about, WI won't give a fuck, and when these other states see that WI didn't spontaneously combust because of the liberal hate machine, they may find the courage to do the right thing themselves.
what examples are there of states following FL's lead on new policy?
Anti grooming, no boys competing in women's sports, not enforcing mask mandates or jab mandates, forcing schools to make mask policies optional.
FL has steadfastly been in front of these controversial issues since Desantis took the reigns.
Yes they have, but what states have copied?
Gotta set the brush fires of freedom in the minds of people everywhere and not hang back like sunshine patriot pansies.
I love the way Biden downfall and the 2020 fraud unravel are happening simultaneously. Might present the perfect opportunity for Grandpa Trump to come back home
If we did that we'd have the rest of the world knocking on our door to take our resources. Kind of like how we pushed aside the natives living here. I'm not saying you aren't partially right but you are assuming we live in a world equally distributed in IQ morality and level of violence. You still need an overall government and standing army to protect you from china's billions looking for their free 150 acres in our promised land. But yeah more states rights parental control and community engagement would be great.
I absolutely cant wait to wait 5 more years for anything
I wonder if they are in a holding pattern waiting for dems to 25th pudding brain. Idk why I just think it would be the most weight shift of the dem establishment. Putting them and keeping them on their heels.
25th, decert, put massive spotlight on dems as they scramble, no move they make is the right one, arrests begin, rats flip. Too me it just seems as the most massive exposure to their corruption.
Sounds beautiful
Praying 🙏
Get ready for the 'Summer of Love' redux.
Right. With all those"peaceful protestors" burning left-run cities and pop-up tent enclaves of drug addicts and thugs. We can only hope "things" have changed (funding cut, NG in place and ready to quash things, some actual news seeping out into msm, better 2A laws in place in several places, etc).
Not gonna decertifag this thing (expect or hope states to 'do the right thing' and decertify; OR expect that, once they do, then it'll be just like they never certified in the first place; or that any other outcome resulting in Trump's return will arise directly from some states' decertifying).
It is beyond the capacity of politicians to undo the wretched conspiracy and sedition and treason they collectively have wrought.
The state and fed legislatures aren't going to install the winner of the 2020 election. The state and fed supreme courts are compromised, unwilling, and unreliable.
We don't know what Trump has got planned, but we do know he's way too smart to rely on politicians and judges to do the right thing for America.
When the other shoe drops re: Ukraine, it will give these legislatures the ammo they need to pass these laws.
Robin Vos, State Assembly Speaker, is a spineless coward, so don't expect him to initiate anything. They have gone after him in Court in regards to the Special Counsel investigation, so unless that somehow enrages him or shows him he has nothing to lose and can go down as a hero, I wouldn't expect anything as radical as decertification to occur.
Yet his own words have him caught in the middle admitting to fraud. Keep believing that someone will push the bolder over the edge to get this avalanche started.
We need a RINO sit-rep.
Bless your heart.
No, we Americans including Trump want to make the outcome of the election what the people voted for. It's not overturning if it's the legitimate outcome.
Words matter.
We're not "overturning the election." That's the fake news narrative. Like calling the anti-child-sex-grooming bill the "Don't Say Gay" bill, or Trump's phone call with Zelenskyyyy "quid pro quo".
Completely fake.
We're overturning the fraudulent result. CONFIRMING the true election.
If the military is involved, it won't be a "coup." It will be a COUNTERcoup.
/wordnerd
It's up to us, stay positive.
Hi handshake and panicing shill. Welcome here to the end of your indoctrination, fag.
Look up United States vs. Throckmorton.
TLDR:
FRAUD VITIATES (CANCELS) EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES.
The difference though is. Dems do what they want. Repubs wait and ask if its ok. If nothing else changes. That needs to, we need to be a bold party
Bravo, my sentiments exactly
There is common law that supercedes the constitution regarding fraud. We don't need the constitution we need to prove fraud. It vitiates everything.
If the Constitution was this black and white there would be no need for the Supreme Court.
You are correct the that the Constitution does not specifically provide a procedure for decertifying a fraudulent election; however, it doesn’t provide any specific language on accepting a fraudulent election either.
Your argument rewards fraud and corruption by claiming if you can make it from Election Day to January 6th, the fraud is no longer subject to adjudication. It doesn’t take a Constitutional Scholar to see this was never the intent of the Framers.
Interestingly your argument serves as a prime example of why the Electoral Act is unconstitutional, because it imposes artificial deadlines on the process that can, and as we plainly see, have been employed to force the certification of a fraudulent election. Pence’s letter recognized there were known unconstitutional irregularities in many key states, but cited the Electoral Act as the reason he was powerless to stop the fraud.
The Constitution is largely a limiting, constraining document. It prevents the govt from doing almost everything; it compels the govt to do almost nothing. Its job isn't to compel. That's the genius of the 10th Amendment. Anything not explicitly permitted for the fedgov to do is prohibited and is delegated to the States, or to the People directly.
Agreed and the State Legislatures have the Constitutional authority to adjudicate elections. Doubtful anyone can show a statute of limitations for decertifying an election other than the term being completed.
Oh, bless your heart hun, you are in for a very rude awakening
"The Diamonds must be returned" it wasn't Trumps election it was our election.
Well it's a good thing we have you to go out there and physically fight for all of us sheep which I'm sure you are doing. Can't keep good people like you from storming the white house and taking our country back by force. I guess I'll wait what, a day, 2? I'm sure your plan will be finished soon too?