Me neither! In current millennium, "Never take medical or investment advice from random anonymous users of message forums" requires no reminder about how spectacularly stupid it is. Like printing on a book of matches "Never use this product to burn down your house."
(Come to think of it, it's surprising that lawyers have not conspired to create the necessity of such a notice by suing the pants off a match company after a house fire involving the product. :)
Exactly 18 are listed on the front! So, saying "Over 17" is comms.
As the owner, if you didn't know about Q, or didn't like it, you'd have no conceivable reason to MENTION 17—unless it just happened to be your all time favorite lucky number or something weird like that. You'd just say 18, or not bother with a number.
Having literally named the product after Q cements it pretty clearly IMHO. The ingredient quercitin provides amazingly convenient plausible deniability, but there is no question that this is named for actual Q. Love it!
Same here! I got my other vitamins, but I like this as a quick take. I'm buying some for my normie friends because a handful of pills made them start questioning (as weird as that sounds...)
Giving you an upvote for your wise comment. If you have never taken the multiple herbs or plants it’s not a good idea to start with more than one at the time. Think of like feeding babies solid food. You start with one food to make sure they aren’t allergic. It’s the same with adults starting natural medicine, supplements, herbs etc.
If you take this with that many ingredients & have break outs, stomach upset, diarrhea, headache etc you don’t know which one causes it unless you have taken those ingredients before.
This company has 🚩 for me. #1 the company site doesn’t say where the ingredients are from.
Most supplements sold in America might be made here but they usually get ingredients from China or other countries. China is worse than our FDA with regulations of safety, toxins etc.
There are some herbs grown in China & sold in US that are safe. For example Numi Tea & other companies like this have growers in China. They test the herbs. They have certain growers they purchase from.
I’ve studied toxins in food since 2013 & most of what’s consumed here is very toxic.
I do buy most of my supplements from Amazon because they have a 30 day guarantee. Most of the companies don’t if you buy directly from them. That guarantee covers the supplements doesn’t work for you. I read a review on this supplement company on Amazon. Says the company doesn’t guarantee the product. Of course that’s just a review from an anonymous person & you can’t always go on them for truth.
Most importantly many herbs/plants should not be taken with another herb. Some should only be taken 2-4 weeks and take a break. Herbal medicine is amazing but if you don’t know what you are doing they can just as dangerous as pharmaceutical medicine. Many people are on prescription meds. Many case an herb with have bad interactions with prescription medicine. Say you are on blood pressure medicine & the herb you are taking makes it stop working or thins your blood. Just an example.
I’m not saying don’t take herbs!!! They are wonderful. Do you research. You don’t have to be certified to learn. However when reading advice online make sure it’s from a certified herbalist. There’s to many mom bloggers writing about herbs and they don’t give good information. Most do, however I’ve seen a few bad blogs.
It's so easy to harvest many of these plants from your own backyard, in the woods, fields, and by the roadsides. And they are FREE. We refer to them as weeds when it's grass cutting time. Nettle, dandelion, plantain, violets, to name only a few...FREE medicine and exceptional nutritional value. What more could you ask for?
Grow your own herbs in pots or a small garden, and read about their miraculous values.
Our God-given Plant Kingdom's benefits were buried when Big Pharma came into the picture.
I agree & disagree. It’s not wise to forage anything on the side of road, unless you want toxic plants. I wish I lived in a place I could trust. I live in a big rural farming community. These farmers don’t practice organic farming. Heck crop dusters fly over all summer. I follow a lot of people that forage. They live by wide open untouched spaces & mountains. I do by herbs, essential oils & products made from both from reputable people or companies. I drink herbal tea & take herbal tinctures for immunity and other health conditions.
Etsy is a good resource if you don’t safe plants. Double check the about section in the shop. Ask questions: organic? Where are the plants from? Not everyone that has a shop online cares about safety.
I buy the majority of my tinctures from a company in Hawaii & a lady in Alaska that forages & makes everything. I found her on Etsy about a year ago. Now we are online friends.
I live in farmland as well, in Amish country, and have learned a great deal from them.
Of course, I totally understand and agree with what you're saying about roadside "weeds." But when (not if) a nationwide disaster occurs, inner city populations won't stand a chance, so roadside "weeds" would come in handy.
I have taken 2 hands-on herbalism certification courses over the past 4 years offered by 2 local area gals who took an interest years ago via reputable online herbal educational websites and institutions. It opened up a whole new world for me. I enjoy foraging, growing, harvesting and making various "remedies" - tinctures, salves, oxymels, decoctions, infusions... It's a continuous learning process.
Thank you so much for sharing interesting info and replying to my reply!
Congrats on your herbal certification. That’s hard work! You are right it’s so rewarding. I have essential oils, many dry herbs & teas. You are way ahead of me in natural medicine. The most likely do is make essential oil blends for myself. I don’t make products yet. I support small business buying salves, etc made from natural products. I don’t know when I’ve bought over the counter body products.
You make a great point about dire situations & using what’s around you! I mentioned the possibile toxins because I try to avoid them, it makes my chronic pain flare very bad. If I eat junk food I feel awful. Wishing you great adventures with plants 🌱
Thank you! For sure, the learning process never ends. And those of us who attended the two local hands-on certification courses are able to stay in touch with one another on two different Facebook group pages.
That’s awesome! I was in Facebook groups dedicated to herbal medicine & essential oils over five years. I deleted Facebook about nine months ago. I miss being able to ask a question but don’t miss Facebook!
I’m trying to get books for reference.
You saw my research on this thread already. Im not a doctor, so everyone should not take my posts as medical advice and use anything at their discretion.
Absolutely! It’s always nice when people share helpful tips here & I appreciate it. If I purchase something from a tip I should not hold the poster responsible if I buy it. I see it as you were posting helpful info & nothing more.
I have to agree with the multi supplements. I tend to be allergic to everything. I had to quit some allergy meds and now have a nasty rash on my hands and don't know (I quit the Quercetin) what I've been taking that has changed. Puzzling to say the least. With the inflation I've had to buy some cheaper soap brands and that might be the problem. It's just a matter of elimination. But still a pain! So if one has allergies, yes, do be careful about adding too much at one time.
I have terrible allergies and extremely sensitive skin. I’m not a doctor or trained in nature medicine, I read a lot & have experimented with many natural products until I find what works for me.
Consider natural homemade soaps. Etsy is a good resource to begin with. Of course it’s trial & error until you find the right product for yourself. After a few years I’ve found a small company that works for me. I don’t like paying $14.00 per bar but I don’t break out & my skin isn’t like a crocodile’s skin.
I recently ordered for the second time, I commented on my order samples would be nice. I got four tiny samples, big enough to know if I like the scent.
I haven’t used over the counter soap since 2014. Also most everything mass produced has toxins. A lot of products were just pulled recently, cause cancer. Not news to people that research. The companies were forced to admit it.
There’s many natural solutions to allergies. I haven’t been on RX allergy medicine in two years. I was on something my entire adult life.
I recently read Vitamin C helps your body with allergies. It helps control histamine. I’ll try to find the article.
I just ordered this:
https://solaray.com/products/mega-quercetin
You said your rash might be from quercetin. Look at the additional ingredients.
Look at the ingredients, hesperiden is from citrus peels. This is supposed to be the higher vitamin c than eating the fruit. It also helps allergies. The other ingredients listed help it to work. I’m sharing because you said you allergies. Of course do your research.
We can get many vitamins from herbs. Nettle herb has multiple vitamins. Hibiscus is very high in vitamin C. I drink hibiscus tea at least three times a week if not more. If you like kool aid flavor you will like hibiscus. I use honey in tea & that’s good for your immune system.
Good luck, I know how frustrating this can be.
thank you so much for the info. I will up the vit c and check on the quercetin again. I did restart taking the zyrtec because it won't harm my heart and I feel so much better today. Those sinus headaches are killer sometimes. And of course, I live in a VERY high pollen count area. Didn't know wheat was a grass!
Happy to help. Research in your area the air quality or seasonal allergies. I’m might be wrong, I read a lot & don’t have a source, I believe the yellow pollen we see isn’t what causes most people’s allergies. It’s usually the new weeds, leaves & flowers budding. I got tested a long time ago & got allergy shots at different times during my life. I don’t recommend shots, I never saw improvement. I’m allergic to oak trees & I live in the south surrounded by Oaks. They say I’m also allergic to Ragweed, dogs, cats & dust mites. I had cats most my life & a dog in the past twenty years. I’ve lived years with out dog or cat & theirs not any difference.
Elderberry syrup helps a lot! You can also take an elderly supplement, double check where it’s made, etc.
I buy from Norms Farm & they have a sale right now. If you are interested you can make your own. I don’t but I think it’s easy.
The following link is my favorite essential oil company. They have a headache essential oil roll on. It helps me a lot. It’s out of stock. They have excellent customer service. You can email them for alternative blend.
I also use a roll on for stuffy nose. Mostly at night, I keep it beside my bed. If you haven’t used essential oils please read about safety. Many oils you can’t use if you are pregnant, nursing. It’s not safe for babies. Many are toxic to cats & dogs. They can be as helpful as herbs or medicine. This company has a big sale in July & after thanksgiving. Each is a month sale.
The weather affects me so much. I thinks it’s the barometric pressure. I’ll have an awful headache for days & as soon as a storm comes my headache is gone.
This is a good tea company. I also buy from a shop in Asheville NC, online. I use loose & bags.
Look at the immune teas, they help me when I’m stuffy or sick. Also their Lime tea will clear me up very quickly.
You can also heat water add lemon, ginger & honey. Don’t drink to much it will detox & you will be in the bathroom.
https://shop.numitea.com/Tea-Bags/c/NumiTeaStore@Teabag
Vinegar with the mother, I use Bragg. Many recipes online. Vinegar, lemon & water. Ginger is optional. That’s more of daily medicine for multiple things. I buy ginger, lemon & honey shots already made at grocery store. Made by a company. It has ginger syrup. You can make it, I just don’t.
If you have any questions I don’t mind. DM or here.
I have a couple of bottles of Zstack and this product seems like a better choice? Not only are there more ingredients, but it's less than half the price of Zstack for 60 capsules. Also more mg of the main ingredients compared to Zstack. Was going to order another couple of Zstacks but might have to go with this one instead...stretch out my Fedbux lol
Yeah, I saw the new Detox too. Link is a nice summary of his products, but I was hoping to find a bit more of a detailed breakdown as to why such a high cost. Other than getting everything combined into a single dose/capsule. I do like that Detox has the NAC included.
Someone said it below but most products, supplements in specific, are mass produced in China and private labeled through Amazon sellers (also known as FBA=fullfiled by Amazon). If you look up Q-munify you will be given a list of other products that have the same ingredients and almost identical descriptions.
Sorry to be a party pooper.
But at the same time, you also never know. Could be something, could be nothing. But I still recommend buying from your local health foods store so that you help your local economy over Amazon.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying THIS is Chinese made garbage (and honestly some products from China can be quality, the people aren't evil the CCP is) I was saying that BY AND LARGE supplements on Amazon are all the same and just relabeled and marketed differently and you should do your own research and find something at your local health food store.
In addition to that its gross that a mod is sticky-ing an affiliate link.
According to their website, all of their products are made in the USA in a registered certified laboratory. They may just say that, but thought I would mention it.
Their About Us page doesn't show that for me on Brave. It just says this:
About Stamiron Stamiron is a Made in the US brand that delivers all-in-one supplements that can replace many different products in one. The company uses the highest quality ingredients and formulations in order to create a product line for a better life. All of Stamiron’s products and supplements are made in the US and are manufactured according to GMP standards. All products are tested to ensure potency and purity so customers can buy confidently, knowing they are getting what it says on the label. The brand maintains the objective of improving health, fitness, and wellness naturally via its commitment and dedication to product innovation, stringent testing protocols as well as sustainability programs that try to give back to the environment. The company cares about its customers, which is why it is 100% transparent about its formulas and what is in the products.
Sorry about that. I misstated the URL. Go to https://stamiron.com/pages/terms-conditions and click the hyperlinked "here" in blue near the bottom of the terms and conditions. It will lead you here.
Once at the Havasu Nutrition website, go to their "terms of use" page and in section 12. Contact Information, you will see their St Petersburg, FL address.
That's a lot of hoops to jump through to figure out where the source is! Thanks for the crumb trail.
That address is apparently a medical office group or maybe a business office building. Oh well, I'm not sure this is the hill I'm dying on. Thanks for helping!
No problem! I enjoy deep diving on things like this. Always in the search for truth, you know.
By the way, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the "be wary" of things made in China perspective. I am wary of poisonous fillers in supplements and all that stuff. You were spot on.
My additional research into Q-Munify was more a personal effort, because I have used the product, and I wanted to know the truth, then it was any sort of counterpoint to your perspective. So please don't take it as confrontational or anything. It was just research. 😉
I am suspicious as well since deep diving the makeup industry. A lot of makeup can claim they are Made in the USA but really what it is is they are made in a lab in the US and the lab sources its materials from China, namely mica powders.
Obviously, if we were being raked over the coals to prevent innovation sourcing things from China wouldn't be awful. Like if there was competition with other countries, but having EVERYTHING come from there and knowing there are financial incentives keeping it that way sucks.
If it isn't obvious I'm a salty little online store owner who is bitter about this lol
There's nothing wrong with being salty about the things you care about. I can get a little salty too. For instance, I am still dam salty over the 2020 election, and that's never going away until 2020 is fixed!
I'm not sure what that video has to do with my comment. On the back of that very bottle you linked has the same exact ingredients as multiple selling listings on Amazon. Vit C, Vit D3, Zinc Blend, and "Proprietary Blend" 350mg. I will concede that maybe its not sourced from China but it is still private labeling and FBA and people should be supporting their local health food stores.
Edit: I will say that the Stamiron one at least breaks down their additional ingredients instead of hiding under the guise of "proprietary blend". Its still the same rebranded product though.
If you take that much vitamin D, you NEEEED vitamin K to not cause your body more harm than good.
never ever ever take a vitamin d supplement without the K to go with it.
You can, and **will **damage your bones, and cause them to go brittle.
Anyone who regularly takes vitamin D as a dietary supplement also needs to take vitamin K2. This important vitamin is responsible for depositing calcium at the right places in the body - i.e. in the bones and teeth. It also prevents calcification, the accumulation of calcium in places where it is not required - i.e. in the arteries and other soft tissue of the body.
Taking vitamin D stimulates the body to produce more of the vitamin K2-dependent proteins that transport calcium. These proteins have many health benefits, but cannot be activated if insufficient vitamin K2 is available, so anyone who is taking vitamin D needs more vitamin K2.
Just Google why you need vitamin k with vitamin d. It's literally plastered all over any medical site you can find.
Basically, vitamin k makes your bones strong. Vitamin d needs vitamin K for activation. If you flood your body with vitamin d and you don't have any vitamin k laying around in your bloodstream, then the vitamin d will start extracting the k from your bones instead.
Vitamin d is not water soluble, so you can't and won't just pee it out the excess like the vitamin c or vitamin b.
Yep just because something is over counter doesn't mean it is safe without research. And just because something requires a prescription doesn't mean it's dangerous ie: ivermectin
No calling me out. I canceled my Amazon because of cheap Chinese crap. Finding local dealers and supporting local. Not the global elitist who use your money to fund their little space trips. So, yeah, I did do my research and decided my money is best spent locally
Sorry bro, someone needs to. You're going to spin right into the wall if you keep this going.
Your original comment said:
Probably 99% filler. From China
Both of that was proven false. If you read any of my links, it would've been obvious. All of it is about a 3 min read. You can't let yourself fall prey to cognitive dissonance when you're called out. That makes us no better than the lefties when we do this.
It's on Stamiron's website if you want to buy directly from them (they're US based). It's cheaper on Amazon unfortunately.
You stick with Amazon. I'll keep my money local. Nobody needs to call me out. But if you want to be the superior elite, knock yourself out. Maybe bottle it up, sell it on Amazon. Im well aware, awake, and know how to spend my money where it counts.
That's all you got to say, you don't need to make a false claim that the product is filler - which it's not.
Or that it's made in China - which it's not. That's why you got called out.
Your misinformation is actually damaging an American company that was cool enough to use Q comms and make an affordable Dr Zelenko Z-Stack. Something that can prevent covid from going into it's fatal stages in some people, which will prevent some of us from buying Ivermectin from India.
They will be buying from an American company (Stamiron) instead of India, now that's good right?
Now I was willing enough to do the research for you, and you call me a "superior elite" when your claim is proven wrong. I think that's messed up. I'm not here to hand anyone anything for free. I did that research because I care about our forum's accuracy as a whole. I should, I'm a mod.
Sure it don't feel good to get called out, but you got to recognize that bold claims tend to get met with bold responses. Use that response as a map to expand in your own researching.
I'm not going to ban you or anything like that, but ffs be a good sportsman about this. There ain't nothing wrong with you. 🤝
My "misinformation" is based on 7 years of subscribing to Amazon. Not exactly "misinformation" like I said boy, you do you. I'm a grown man, I'll do me. You seem to take offense to the fact I do not need, want, desire your input. Nor was it asked for. Forcing your "opinion" on people sounds an awful lot like the current events that patriots are fighting against. It's not a good look. If I choose not to shop Amazon and not shop the big box stores, how does this affect you? Affiliate? Stock holder? Employee? Like I've stated before. I gave up Amazon because of the cheap Chinese shit they sell. It's like shopping Walmart. And I refuse to shop there too.
how does this affect you? Affiliate? Stock holder? Employee?
None of the above, I don't have anything to do with any one of the companies involved, nor do I know anybody from them. I'm a regular American surfing the forum like yourself. You keep going hard on this Amazon thing when the product isn't even an Amazon product. It's straight up made in America. I gave you the link already for that. Heck, I gave you the link for all the information if you would simply read it.
As I stated in the forum previously. I found it and thought it was funny, useful, and Q related. I wanted to share it with the community. Once the debate came up for buying it, I had to show my research...which you didn't read.
The affiliate link was submitted to me later by one of our users awhile after the thread was made, this was cited in the sticky. It helps a Christian based drug rehab program. This was also mentioned in the comments in the thread already...which you didn't read.
like I said boy, you do you. I'm a grown man, I'll do me.
First I'm a superior elite, now I'm a boy? 🤨
At this point, you're just being damn ornery. You can't even keep a coherent insult.
You post again on this comment, you're getting a temporary ban. Final warning. Not because you disagree (because I actually agree with you about Amazon) but because you're getting nasty about it and not even listening to reason. Knock. It. Off.
I’ll agree Amazon it’s the best company for many reasons. However everything on Amazon isn’t from China. If someone is interested in buying a product like supplements or anything in the natural medicine family, contact the company. Ask them are there products sold on Amazon, Walmart, Target & other sites. I’ve done this a lot over the years. Most companies do sell on Amazon. Many that are small use Amazon, Walmart etc to sell because they don’t have the staff to sell independently.
I live in a rural area & have one natural food store/herbal store. They don’t have most of what I’m looking for. They don’t take returns!
I also don’t trust some brands they sell. I do my research on everything. Just because a product is sold by a company with “natural, healthy, herbal” etc that doesn’t mean all their products are organic, non gmo, don’t have fillers.
Iherb, Vitacost, Tao of herbs are all good sites to purchase supplements & herbs. However they also sell mediocre products. In the end every company big or small is more concerned about the bottom line than the customer. It’s the American Way!
I live in a rural area & have one natural food store/herbal store. They don’t have most of what I’m looking for. They don’t take returns!
This is a point that gets brushed aside in the "help the mom and pop store" narrative.
I lived in a city where they voted against highways in one part of town. This left the corporations to exist on the outer sides of the city (where the highway was).
This sounds good, but in return, smaller companies didn't want to set up shop because of access. Many of the mom and pop stores that existed previously were so nepotistic and nasty, it had us begging for corporations just to provide an even playing field in our neighborhood!
The lesson I learned was both structures have merit, but when either one becomes selfish, I might as well be dealing with the mob!
I understand completely. The problem with the closet city to me is the actual city government. They protect the people associated with gangs. Most major stores have gone out of business because they can’t get good help (pre Covid, worse now) & there’s a big theft problem. You don’t go in Walmart with out packing for your own protection. I was out Black Friday shopping many years ago & planning to meet a friend at ihop. Her daughter was inside & I was waiting in my car. About three gang members started waving guns. I left & drove in the Lowes parking lot behind it. Several gang cars kept pulling up. IHOP it happens a lot. We all know when gangs are involved some police & politicians can be on the payroll. That’s just one example of the area.
I shop at TJ Maxx, Harris Teeter, Ross, food lion, Target & Big lots. All other places are worthless or not safe.
I really believe it’s because of government handouts and people start having babies, either sell or do drugs.
Edgecombe & Nash County NC is very poor. I think Durham is a little worse but probably not much.
If you saw the QVC fire a few months ago in the news. That’s my area. I knew they wouldn’t rebuild. My dad worked with the phone company years ago & the manager at QVC said they had a big theft problem. I’m actually surprised they stayed that long. My husband drives 45 minutes to a decent paying job.
This is a point that gets brushed aside in the "help the mom and pop store" narrative.
It's not a narrative. Make your own website and get off of Amazon. Shopify, Wix, etc. This is a shill post and I have no idea how it got stickied. Just link to the Stamiron website.
a representation of a particular situation or process in such a way as to reflect or conform to an overarching set of aims or values.
It's by definition a narrative.
As I said, I learned both structures have merit, but when either one becomes selfish, I might as well be dealing with the mob. That's not an exaggeration, and those who can read between the lines know what I'm saying here.
I have no idea how it got stickied
I stickied it. It was funny, and useful. I wanted to share it with the community. Once the debate came up for buying it, I had to show my research.
If you hate Amazon that much, you can buy it direct from Stamiron yourself if you choose to buy it at all:
In addition to that its gross that a mod is sticky-ing an affiliate link.
That was submitted to me by one of our users a little bit ago. It helps a Christian based drug rehab program.
Might I remark, you've been incredibly unhelpful in this discussion. You made accusations with hearsay and no facts, and now you're trying to smear me in your other comments because I called you out on it.
I'm glad you're here, but you've got to quit your blue-haired ways. I'm not going to ban you, or do anything stupid like that, but I'm going to give you a stern "knock it off".
Gave me a good laugh! 😆 Too bad the pills arent colored red, eh?
New Link: https://amzn.to/3v1TjBY
(Edited - the new link supports Teen Challenge, a Christian based drug rehab program. Thanks u/Datasinc!)
⚠️ Disclaimer: Im not a doctor, so everyone should not take my posts as medical advice, and take any suggestions or products at their discretion.
(I can't believe I have to write that on the same board that we discussed horse paste and Z-stacks on. Perhaps some newer people need to see it.)
This link supports Teen Challenge, a Christian based drug rehab program.
https://amzn.to/3v1TjBY
I wish I could sticky this. I'll put that link in the context and edit my sticky, but please @everyone - updoot this man!
thanks for the info/think I'll get some of this
I'm not sure. I just took two at the same time.
Me neither! In current millennium, "Never take medical or investment advice from random anonymous users of message forums" requires no reminder about how spectacularly stupid it is. Like printing on a book of matches "Never use this product to burn down your house."
(Come to think of it, it's surprising that lawyers have not conspired to create the necessity of such a notice by suing the pants off a match company after a house fire involving the product. :)
I no longer take medical advice from doctors.
17... Immune Boosting Ingredients you say.
Noted ☝🏼😂
TAKE MY MONEY!!!
And “over” is probably only 18 or 19…. That means 17 was not an accident.
This is TOTALLY made by a Patriot. If you're surfing this forum, brother - awesome job! Comms noted! 🐸
Exactly 18 are listed on the front! So, saying "Over 17" is comms.
As the owner, if you didn't know about Q, or didn't like it, you'd have no conceivable reason to MENTION 17—unless it just happened to be your all time favorite lucky number or something weird like that. You'd just say 18, or not bother with a number.
Having literally named the product after Q cements it pretty clearly IMHO. The ingredient quercitin provides amazingly convenient plausible deniability, but there is no question that this is named for actual Q. Love it!
/wordnerd
It looks like their original version didn't have the Q, the 17, or the supplements from the Z-stack.
So yea, I believe this is totally one of us!
Yeah! Good catch anon! ← oops...how many letters?? ;)
Wow that looks great actually. Instead of taking a handful of pills, just take one.
You'll have to take 2, but that's still pretty good in my book!
Add some EGCG and you're pretty solid!
I've personally used this specific brand and had great success with it. Surrounded by germs and shields were up!
That was my personal experience and not medical advice or promotion of the brand.
It looks like Stamiron is a subsidiary of Havasu (based in Florida), see above.
I think I'm going to stick with this one for my immune defense system.
Same here! I got my other vitamins, but I like this as a quick take. I'm buying some for my normie friends because a handful of pills made them start questioning (as weird as that sounds...)
Check my comment for more research on Stamiron: https://greatawakening.win/p/15HIchG9qD/x/c/4OVzrCEQxCJ
Great comment on your other thread. I love those sorts of deep dives on the facts. Well done!
u/#classywow
Funny, but these multi combinations of herbs are not really a a good idea imo. I see three things that irritate me.
Giving you an upvote for your wise comment. If you have never taken the multiple herbs or plants it’s not a good idea to start with more than one at the time. Think of like feeding babies solid food. You start with one food to make sure they aren’t allergic. It’s the same with adults starting natural medicine, supplements, herbs etc. If you take this with that many ingredients & have break outs, stomach upset, diarrhea, headache etc you don’t know which one causes it unless you have taken those ingredients before. This company has 🚩 for me. #1 the company site doesn’t say where the ingredients are from. Most supplements sold in America might be made here but they usually get ingredients from China or other countries. China is worse than our FDA with regulations of safety, toxins etc. There are some herbs grown in China & sold in US that are safe. For example Numi Tea & other companies like this have growers in China. They test the herbs. They have certain growers they purchase from. I’ve studied toxins in food since 2013 & most of what’s consumed here is very toxic. I do buy most of my supplements from Amazon because they have a 30 day guarantee. Most of the companies don’t if you buy directly from them. That guarantee covers the supplements doesn’t work for you. I read a review on this supplement company on Amazon. Says the company doesn’t guarantee the product. Of course that’s just a review from an anonymous person & you can’t always go on them for truth.
I’m not saying don’t take herbs!!! They are wonderful. Do you research. You don’t have to be certified to learn. However when reading advice online make sure it’s from a certified herbalist. There’s to many mom bloggers writing about herbs and they don’t give good information. Most do, however I’ve seen a few bad blogs.
It's so easy to harvest many of these plants from your own backyard, in the woods, fields, and by the roadsides. And they are FREE. We refer to them as weeds when it's grass cutting time. Nettle, dandelion, plantain, violets, to name only a few...FREE medicine and exceptional nutritional value. What more could you ask for?
Grow your own herbs in pots or a small garden, and read about their miraculous values. Our God-given Plant Kingdom's benefits were buried when Big Pharma came into the picture.
I agree & disagree. It’s not wise to forage anything on the side of road, unless you want toxic plants. I wish I lived in a place I could trust. I live in a big rural farming community. These farmers don’t practice organic farming. Heck crop dusters fly over all summer. I follow a lot of people that forage. They live by wide open untouched spaces & mountains. I do by herbs, essential oils & products made from both from reputable people or companies. I drink herbal tea & take herbal tinctures for immunity and other health conditions. Etsy is a good resource if you don’t safe plants. Double check the about section in the shop. Ask questions: organic? Where are the plants from? Not everyone that has a shop online cares about safety. I buy the majority of my tinctures from a company in Hawaii & a lady in Alaska that forages & makes everything. I found her on Etsy about a year ago. Now we are online friends.
I live in farmland as well, in Amish country, and have learned a great deal from them.
Of course, I totally understand and agree with what you're saying about roadside "weeds." But when (not if) a nationwide disaster occurs, inner city populations won't stand a chance, so roadside "weeds" would come in handy.
I have taken 2 hands-on herbalism certification courses over the past 4 years offered by 2 local area gals who took an interest years ago via reputable online herbal educational websites and institutions. It opened up a whole new world for me. I enjoy foraging, growing, harvesting and making various "remedies" - tinctures, salves, oxymels, decoctions, infusions... It's a continuous learning process.
Thank you so much for sharing interesting info and replying to my reply!
Congrats on your herbal certification. That’s hard work! You are right it’s so rewarding. I have essential oils, many dry herbs & teas. You are way ahead of me in natural medicine. The most likely do is make essential oil blends for myself. I don’t make products yet. I support small business buying salves, etc made from natural products. I don’t know when I’ve bought over the counter body products. You make a great point about dire situations & using what’s around you! I mentioned the possibile toxins because I try to avoid them, it makes my chronic pain flare very bad. If I eat junk food I feel awful. Wishing you great adventures with plants 🌱
Thank you! For sure, the learning process never ends. And those of us who attended the two local hands-on certification courses are able to stay in touch with one another on two different Facebook group pages.
That’s awesome! I was in Facebook groups dedicated to herbal medicine & essential oils over five years. I deleted Facebook about nine months ago. I miss being able to ask a question but don’t miss Facebook! I’m trying to get books for reference.
I'm going to be messaging you because I'm actually getting into this myself!
Okay!
You saw my research on this thread already. Im not a doctor, so everyone should not take my posts as medical advice and use anything at their discretion.
Absolutely! It’s always nice when people share helpful tips here & I appreciate it. If I purchase something from a tip I should not hold the poster responsible if I buy it. I see it as you were posting helpful info & nothing more.
I have to agree with the multi supplements. I tend to be allergic to everything. I had to quit some allergy meds and now have a nasty rash on my hands and don't know (I quit the Quercetin) what I've been taking that has changed. Puzzling to say the least. With the inflation I've had to buy some cheaper soap brands and that might be the problem. It's just a matter of elimination. But still a pain! So if one has allergies, yes, do be careful about adding too much at one time.
I have terrible allergies and extremely sensitive skin. I’m not a doctor or trained in nature medicine, I read a lot & have experimented with many natural products until I find what works for me. Consider natural homemade soaps. Etsy is a good resource to begin with. Of course it’s trial & error until you find the right product for yourself. After a few years I’ve found a small company that works for me. I don’t like paying $14.00 per bar but I don’t break out & my skin isn’t like a crocodile’s skin. I recently ordered for the second time, I commented on my order samples would be nice. I got four tiny samples, big enough to know if I like the scent. I haven’t used over the counter soap since 2014. Also most everything mass produced has toxins. A lot of products were just pulled recently, cause cancer. Not news to people that research. The companies were forced to admit it. There’s many natural solutions to allergies. I haven’t been on RX allergy medicine in two years. I was on something my entire adult life. I recently read Vitamin C helps your body with allergies. It helps control histamine. I’ll try to find the article. I just ordered this: https://solaray.com/products/mega-quercetin You said your rash might be from quercetin. Look at the additional ingredients. Look at the ingredients, hesperiden is from citrus peels. This is supposed to be the higher vitamin c than eating the fruit. It also helps allergies. The other ingredients listed help it to work. I’m sharing because you said you allergies. Of course do your research. We can get many vitamins from herbs. Nettle herb has multiple vitamins. Hibiscus is very high in vitamin C. I drink hibiscus tea at least three times a week if not more. If you like kool aid flavor you will like hibiscus. I use honey in tea & that’s good for your immune system. Good luck, I know how frustrating this can be.
thank you so much for the info. I will up the vit c and check on the quercetin again. I did restart taking the zyrtec because it won't harm my heart and I feel so much better today. Those sinus headaches are killer sometimes. And of course, I live in a VERY high pollen count area. Didn't know wheat was a grass!
Happy to help. Research in your area the air quality or seasonal allergies. I’m might be wrong, I read a lot & don’t have a source, I believe the yellow pollen we see isn’t what causes most people’s allergies. It’s usually the new weeds, leaves & flowers budding. I got tested a long time ago & got allergy shots at different times during my life. I don’t recommend shots, I never saw improvement. I’m allergic to oak trees & I live in the south surrounded by Oaks. They say I’m also allergic to Ragweed, dogs, cats & dust mites. I had cats most my life & a dog in the past twenty years. I’ve lived years with out dog or cat & theirs not any difference. Elderberry syrup helps a lot! You can also take an elderly supplement, double check where it’s made, etc. I buy from Norms Farm & they have a sale right now. If you are interested you can make your own. I don’t but I think it’s easy. The following link is my favorite essential oil company. They have a headache essential oil roll on. It helps me a lot. It’s out of stock. They have excellent customer service. You can email them for alternative blend. I also use a roll on for stuffy nose. Mostly at night, I keep it beside my bed. If you haven’t used essential oils please read about safety. Many oils you can’t use if you are pregnant, nursing. It’s not safe for babies. Many are toxic to cats & dogs. They can be as helpful as herbs or medicine. This company has a big sale in July & after thanksgiving. Each is a month sale.
https://www.planttherapy.com/cbd-iso-headache-roll-on?v=2969
https://www.planttherapy.com/sniffle-stopper-kidsafe-essential-oil?v=597
The weather affects me so much. I thinks it’s the barometric pressure. I’ll have an awful headache for days & as soon as a storm comes my headache is gone.
Search for coupon. I thought they had a sale.
https://normsfarms.com/collections
This is a good tea company. I also buy from a shop in Asheville NC, online. I use loose & bags. Look at the immune teas, they help me when I’m stuffy or sick. Also their Lime tea will clear me up very quickly. You can also heat water add lemon, ginger & honey. Don’t drink to much it will detox & you will be in the bathroom. https://shop.numitea.com/Tea-Bags/c/NumiTeaStore@Teabag
Vinegar with the mother, I use Bragg. Many recipes online. Vinegar, lemon & water. Ginger is optional. That’s more of daily medicine for multiple things. I buy ginger, lemon & honey shots already made at grocery store. Made by a company. It has ginger syrup. You can make it, I just don’t. If you have any questions I don’t mind. DM or here.
I wouldn't take it if you know it's going to irritate you! The vitamins themselves can still be bought separately.
I know, and that's how I know the effects of some of them, by trying things one at a time.
All of them work good for me. I'd use thisnif it was real. Doesn't even need the extra stuff
It is real u/VetforTrump. I've used it with success.
I GET IT
Q for "Quercitin"!
:winkety wink:
Ordered just now on amazon, $21.25 for a month's supply (I know, fuck amazon, just giving the data)
Way more convenient than swallowing a handful of pills, yecchhh
I have a couple of bottles of Zstack and this product seems like a better choice? Not only are there more ingredients, but it's less than half the price of Zstack for 60 capsules. Also more mg of the main ingredients compared to Zstack. Was going to order another couple of Zstacks but might have to go with this one instead...stretch out my Fedbux lol
I saw theres some Zstack Detox that Dr Z has nowadays, but I haven't done enough research on it.
Just skimmed by it in my recent searches, want a look?
https://onedaymd.aestheticsadvisor.com/2022/03/dr-zelenkos-z-dtox-review-2022.html?m=1
Yeah, I saw the new Detox too. Link is a nice summary of his products, but I was hoping to find a bit more of a detailed breakdown as to why such a high cost. Other than getting everything combined into a single dose/capsule. I do like that Detox has the NAC included.
Someone said it below but most products, supplements in specific, are mass produced in China and private labeled through Amazon sellers (also known as FBA=fullfiled by Amazon). If you look up Q-munify you will be given a list of other products that have the same ingredients and almost identical descriptions.
Sorry to be a party pooper.
But at the same time, you also never know. Could be something, could be nothing. But I still recommend buying from your local health foods store so that you help your local economy over Amazon.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying THIS is Chinese made garbage (and honestly some products from China can be quality, the people aren't evil the CCP is) I was saying that BY AND LARGE supplements on Amazon are all the same and just relabeled and marketed differently and you should do your own research and find something at your local health food store.
In addition to that its gross that a mod is sticky-ing an affiliate link.
According to their website, all of their products are made in the USA in a registered certified laboratory. They may just say that, but thought I would mention it.
https://stamiron.com/pages/about-us
For some reason they link to Havasu Nutrition from Stamiron's Terms and Conditions page. Maybe Stamiron is just a marketing brand or subsidiary.
Havasu appears to be a Nevada registered company (quite common for LLCs, as Delaware is for Corporations) and Havasu is based in Florida at
239 2nd Ave S Ste 200, St Petersburg, FL 33701
This is all publicly available information from their websites.
Their About Us page doesn't show that for me on Brave. It just says this:
Sorry about that. I misstated the URL. Go to https://stamiron.com/pages/terms-conditions and click the hyperlinked "here" in blue near the bottom of the terms and conditions. It will lead you here.
Once at the Havasu Nutrition website, go to their "terms of use" page and in section 12. Contact Information, you will see their St Petersburg, FL address.
That's a lot of hoops to jump through to figure out where the source is! Thanks for the crumb trail.
That address is apparently a medical office group or maybe a business office building. Oh well, I'm not sure this is the hill I'm dying on. Thanks for helping!
No problem! I enjoy deep diving on things like this. Always in the search for truth, you know.
By the way, I wholeheartedly agree with you on the "be wary" of things made in China perspective. I am wary of poisonous fillers in supplements and all that stuff. You were spot on.
My additional research into Q-Munify was more a personal effort, because I have used the product, and I wanted to know the truth, then it was any sort of counterpoint to your perspective. So please don't take it as confrontational or anything. It was just research. 😉
Have a great day!
u/#Merica
I am suspicious as well since deep diving the makeup industry. A lot of makeup can claim they are Made in the USA but really what it is is they are made in a lab in the US and the lab sources its materials from China, namely mica powders.
Obviously, if we were being raked over the coals to prevent innovation sourcing things from China wouldn't be awful. Like if there was competition with other countries, but having EVERYTHING come from there and knowing there are financial incentives keeping it that way sucks.
If it isn't obvious I'm a salty little online store owner who is bitter about this lol
There's nothing wrong with being salty about the things you care about. I can get a little salty too. For instance, I am still dam salty over the 2020 election, and that's never going away until 2020 is fixed!
u/#Ridetofreedom
Look again and do your research.
See my other comment in this thread.
Watch that video. We can't have the same knee jerk reactions the communists want us to. Research is the key!
I'm not sure what that video has to do with my comment. On the back of that very bottle you linked has the same exact ingredients as multiple selling listings on Amazon. Vit C, Vit D3, Zinc Blend, and "Proprietary Blend" 350mg. I will concede that maybe its not sourced from China but it is still private labeling and FBA and people should be supporting their local health food stores.
Edit: I will say that the Stamiron one at least breaks down their additional ingredients instead of hiding under the guise of "proprietary blend". Its still the same rebranded product though.
Very nice!
That is a very good idea. Somebody with background in this stuff should do it.
This has a lot more ingredients than the Z-stack, and it's a lot cheaper. Has anyone taken this Q-Munify yet?
I did tonight. I took it with my electrolytes after dinner. (Always good to take zinc with a meal)
I feel good. Nothing unusual so far. Feels like I did when I took the Z-stack ingredients separately.
**Be careful with this anons! **
If you take that much vitamin D, you NEEEED vitamin K to not cause your body more harm than good.
never ever ever take a vitamin d supplement without the K to go with it.
You can, and **will **damage your bones, and cause them to go brittle.
I'll take note of this. What's interesting is Vitamin K isn't in the original Z-Stack.
I don't doubt that you are wrong, but what is your source?
Just Google why you need vitamin k with vitamin d. It's literally plastered all over any medical site you can find.
Basically, vitamin k makes your bones strong. Vitamin d needs vitamin K for activation. If you flood your body with vitamin d and you don't have any vitamin k laying around in your bloodstream, then the vitamin d will start extracting the k from your bones instead.
Vitamin d is not water soluble, so you can't and won't just pee it out the excess like the vitamin c or vitamin b.
I'll dig further, thanks for the tip. 😊
Yep just because something is over counter doesn't mean it is safe without research. And just because something requires a prescription doesn't mean it's dangerous ie: ivermectin
From Amazon you say? Probably 99% filler. From China. No, I think I'll pass.
I got to call you out for not doing your research.
Stamiron - About Us https://stamiron.com/pages/about-us
TEAS Plus Application https://uspto.report/TM/97192981/FTK20211231082439#3
Net Medical Xpress Solutions, Inc. 8206 Louisiana Blvd NE A, Albuquerque, NM 87113, United States +1 505-255-1999 https://maps.app.goo.gl/CoUKYQ2ZmnPDYBVRA
Net Medical to Launch New Supplement Line to Boost Immune Systems https://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2022-02/55362994-net-medical-xpress-solutions-inc-net-medical-to-launch-new-supplement-line-to-boost-immune-systems-specifically-targets-colds-flu-inflammation-a-200.htm
Or, you could've just looked at the Amazon page under the questions: https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx2S3NTHORDNYDS/
Sorry sir, you are being a retard today.
Stop falling for communist brainwash! https://youtu.be/XBfLm98oFTM?t=9m13s
No calling me out. I canceled my Amazon because of cheap Chinese crap. Finding local dealers and supporting local. Not the global elitist who use your money to fund their little space trips. So, yeah, I did do my research and decided my money is best spent locally
Sorry bro, someone needs to. You're going to spin right into the wall if you keep this going.
Your original comment said:
Both of that was proven false. If you read any of my links, it would've been obvious. All of it is about a 3 min read. You can't let yourself fall prey to cognitive dissonance when you're called out. That makes us no better than the lefties when we do this.
It's on Stamiron's website if you want to buy directly from them (they're US based). It's cheaper on Amazon unfortunately.
You stick with Amazon. I'll keep my money local. Nobody needs to call me out. But if you want to be the superior elite, knock yourself out. Maybe bottle it up, sell it on Amazon. Im well aware, awake, and know how to spend my money where it counts.
That's all you got to say, you don't need to make a false claim that the product is filler - which it's not.
Or that it's made in China - which it's not. That's why you got called out.
Your misinformation is actually damaging an American company that was cool enough to use Q comms and make an affordable Dr Zelenko Z-Stack. Something that can prevent covid from going into it's fatal stages in some people, which will prevent some of us from buying Ivermectin from India.
They will be buying from an American company (Stamiron) instead of India, now that's good right?
Now I was willing enough to do the research for you, and you call me a "superior elite" when your claim is proven wrong. I think that's messed up. I'm not here to hand anyone anything for free. I did that research because I care about our forum's accuracy as a whole. I should, I'm a mod.
Sure it don't feel good to get called out, but you got to recognize that bold claims tend to get met with bold responses. Use that response as a map to expand in your own researching.
I'm not going to ban you or anything like that, but ffs be a good sportsman about this. There ain't nothing wrong with you. 🤝
My "misinformation" is based on 7 years of subscribing to Amazon. Not exactly "misinformation" like I said boy, you do you. I'm a grown man, I'll do me. You seem to take offense to the fact I do not need, want, desire your input. Nor was it asked for. Forcing your "opinion" on people sounds an awful lot like the current events that patriots are fighting against. It's not a good look. If I choose not to shop Amazon and not shop the big box stores, how does this affect you? Affiliate? Stock holder? Employee? Like I've stated before. I gave up Amazon because of the cheap Chinese shit they sell. It's like shopping Walmart. And I refuse to shop there too.
None of the above, I don't have anything to do with any one of the companies involved, nor do I know anybody from them. I'm a regular American surfing the forum like yourself. You keep going hard on this Amazon thing when the product isn't even an Amazon product. It's straight up made in America. I gave you the link already for that. Heck, I gave you the link for all the information if you would simply read it.
As I stated in the forum previously. I found it and thought it was funny, useful, and Q related. I wanted to share it with the community. Once the debate came up for buying it, I had to show my research...which you didn't read.
The affiliate link was submitted to me later by one of our users awhile after the thread was made, this was cited in the sticky. It helps a Christian based drug rehab program. This was also mentioned in the comments in the thread already...which you didn't read.
First I'm a superior elite, now I'm a boy? 🤨
At this point, you're just being damn ornery. You can't even keep a coherent insult.
You post again on this comment, you're getting a temporary ban. Final warning. Not because you disagree (because I actually agree with you about Amazon) but because you're getting nasty about it and not even listening to reason. Knock. It. Off.
I’ll agree Amazon it’s the best company for many reasons. However everything on Amazon isn’t from China. If someone is interested in buying a product like supplements or anything in the natural medicine family, contact the company. Ask them are there products sold on Amazon, Walmart, Target & other sites. I’ve done this a lot over the years. Most companies do sell on Amazon. Many that are small use Amazon, Walmart etc to sell because they don’t have the staff to sell independently. I live in a rural area & have one natural food store/herbal store. They don’t have most of what I’m looking for. They don’t take returns! I also don’t trust some brands they sell. I do my research on everything. Just because a product is sold by a company with “natural, healthy, herbal” etc that doesn’t mean all their products are organic, non gmo, don’t have fillers.
Iherb, Vitacost, Tao of herbs are all good sites to purchase supplements & herbs. However they also sell mediocre products. In the end every company big or small is more concerned about the bottom line than the customer. It’s the American Way!
This is a point that gets brushed aside in the "help the mom and pop store" narrative.
I lived in a city where they voted against highways in one part of town. This left the corporations to exist on the outer sides of the city (where the highway was).
This sounds good, but in return, smaller companies didn't want to set up shop because of access. Many of the mom and pop stores that existed previously were so nepotistic and nasty, it had us begging for corporations just to provide an even playing field in our neighborhood!
The lesson I learned was both structures have merit, but when either one becomes selfish, I might as well be dealing with the mob!
I understand completely. The problem with the closet city to me is the actual city government. They protect the people associated with gangs. Most major stores have gone out of business because they can’t get good help (pre Covid, worse now) & there’s a big theft problem. You don’t go in Walmart with out packing for your own protection. I was out Black Friday shopping many years ago & planning to meet a friend at ihop. Her daughter was inside & I was waiting in my car. About three gang members started waving guns. I left & drove in the Lowes parking lot behind it. Several gang cars kept pulling up. IHOP it happens a lot. We all know when gangs are involved some police & politicians can be on the payroll. That’s just one example of the area. I shop at TJ Maxx, Harris Teeter, Ross, food lion, Target & Big lots. All other places are worthless or not safe. I really believe it’s because of government handouts and people start having babies, either sell or do drugs. Edgecombe & Nash County NC is very poor. I think Durham is a little worse but probably not much. If you saw the QVC fire a few months ago in the news. That’s my area. I knew they wouldn’t rebuild. My dad worked with the phone company years ago & the manager at QVC said they had a big theft problem. I’m actually surprised they stayed that long. My husband drives 45 minutes to a decent paying job.
There's a lot of wisdom there, thanks fren!
It's not a narrative. Make your own website and get off of Amazon. Shopify, Wix, etc. This is a shill post and I have no idea how it got stickied. Just link to the Stamiron website.
nar·ra·tive
/ˈnerədiv/
noun: narrative; plural noun: narratives
It's by definition a narrative.
As I said, I learned both structures have merit, but when either one becomes selfish, I might as well be dealing with the mob. That's not an exaggeration, and those who can read between the lines know what I'm saying here.
I stickied it. It was funny, and useful. I wanted to share it with the community. Once the debate came up for buying it, I had to show my research.
If you hate Amazon that much, you can buy it direct from Stamiron yourself if you choose to buy it at all:
https://stamiron.com/products/q-munify-immune-defense
That was submitted to me by one of our users a little bit ago. It helps a Christian based drug rehab program.
Might I remark, you've been incredibly unhelpful in this discussion. You made accusations with hearsay and no facts, and now you're trying to smear me in your other comments because I called you out on it.
I'm glad you're here, but you've got to quit your blue-haired ways. I'm not going to ban you, or do anything stupid like that, but I'm going to give you a stern "knock it off".