There's not even a point in trying to show people about EVs. I go to car forums and the cars subreddit and its a nightmare when you ask questions about or directly tell them where the materials come from, how they become radioactive in landfills, etc. It's nuts!
I get the same feeling reading comments on CarAndDriver articles. It's like they're all lefty blue state lunatics that absolutely loathe all history of the automobile.
And that really annoys me... I'm a car history and racing history nut, so when these "car guys" can't wait for all motor racing and road cars to be electric, I'm just astonished. You envy the days of Group C, Group B, GTP, turbo v12s in f1, but now you want to destroy the internal combustion engine?
It's sad. But at least EV batteries are a progression in technology. If we can push the technology further and develop new ways to store energy, that's good for the world in the long run and the private sector is the most likely place to find that.
On the other hand, wind turbines are demonstrably a net loss on the environment. There's not much that can be enhanced about them. You will always need strong and resistant materials that are actually light enough to be moved by wind.
But in the process of this technology, many birds die which will concentrate and spread disease, and it takes up a lot of real estate..and is set up in places that would be good for additional farming or housing.
At least with solar, it's expensive and inefficient and not 100% recyclable, but it's not directly and immediately killing the birds around it. And you can get a few panels and have a small amount of energy in case of a power outage.
Privately owned turbines? Hah. Good luck with the paper work, the clean up and the hard to use power.
Batteries are growing in technology by leaps and bounds. Lithium Carbonate, Lithium Peroxide, with Toyota coming out with their prototype of a solid state lithium based battery (think SOLID chunk of ceramic, with about 240% charge density of current tech) and Tesla announcing a Lithium - Sulphur Battery with a life cycle measured around 4 Million miles.
These newer technologies will likely give ~1,000 miles/charge. And the R&D is being done by CAPITALISM.
There are also some very new revolutionary changes coming in the mining industry - in how we GET these minerals. The way we got Gold in the 1800's is not the same way we get Gold today. The way we get Lithium, Manganese, Graphene, Cobalt and Nickel is going to change. Northern Nevada has enough Lithium trapped in the clay deposits to meet the US needs through the year 2050 - just in Nevada.
There is a reason why every single car manufacturer is moving to EV.
Help getting off the ground and subsidies to push forward is not contrary to a free market.
It's not very different from gun manufacturer contracts, where they compete for the purchase of their products.
If the demand is there by the consumer, as it clearly is, then the government just helps the company with the best tech rise to meet that demand.
Additionally, and further to the point, arguing this is stupid -- because just about all major car manufacturers were given extreme subsidies and more or less squandered them. Tesla did not. Tesla actually made a good product.
If you've been paying attention for the last few years, it's pretty obvious how the cabal picks winners and losers. Electric is the current winner that they're pushing. There's little free market about it, and it certainly doesn't solve any real or perceived environmental problems.
You are aware that Telsa sold approximately 349,000 EV's in the last quarter, right? That Tesla has so many backorders on the books - right now - that they may stop taking pre-orders, because the backorders are going out beyond a year.
Compare against GM, that sold 349 cars; after dealers marked the prices up $10,000 over sticker. You cannot even order a Ford Mustang EV this year.
Whatās your point? Tesla was built off of government subsidies, not free market demand. Sure, thereās some demand now. The Ford Mustang Mach E is a great vehicle. I drive oneā¦there are some available on dealer lots, and you were able to place an order for one at some point this year. Current EVs are not yet practical for the masses. If demand is there, businesses will follow with products. The government wouldnāt need to regulate EVs into existence. When battery tech is at 1000 miles per charge highway range, fills up in less than 10 minutes from empty, and has readily available and reliable infrastructure everywhere, thatās a different story. No one is going to sit here and tell me theyāre more environmentally friendly, or that most companies are going after them because of the natural market demand.
Let it "leak out" that you can shave these things into a powder, smoke it, and get really high. Those things will be gone in a month...along with a lot of undesirables.
Exactly. My guess is they're being hidden from the sun: one of the few things that would make them degrade. So, what's the plan for their later use? Somebody's planning to dig them up, charge the taxpayers BILLIONS for the effort - and make billions more by selling them (or a product derived from them) for something nefarious.
Won't degrade? We're ALL calling BS. u/TNBanjoMan (above) suggests making a component powder from them. Imagine what could be produced from that powder when fed through a 3-D printer with a few other components. I'm not even that smart and I can smell a plot from way over here.
Based on what I've read, they're made out of a ridiculously strong fiber glass composite in order to have the tensile strength required to be that long while holding up to the type of stress they're under.
Strong enough that it requires a diamond blade to cut through them. It's apparently a tremendous amount of labor and cost to shred the things.
That being said, you bring up a great idea, Hellann. Why not repurpose them for fencing? There has to be plenty of other useful applications for the things as there's no shortage of situations where extremely strong but thin and light materials are needed for jobs.
Where they wonāt degrade - itās a big joke lie no progressive will face. Most people could have a small wind mill for a power supplement and do just fine. Iām so looking forward to all the energy unleashed to us in the future.
A high percentage of the Carbon Fiber material is epoxy. The carbon fiber is more or less like rebar, in that it gives strength to the epoxy; I would guess that the carbon is no more than 50% of the material.
A lot of carbon fiber is created from cotton. Carbon usually falls into 4 distinct forms, diamond, graphite, graphene and buckminsterfullerene. Given the amount of impurities in these blades, I don't expect you are going to get much of a profit from grinding them up. Carbon is generally pretty plentiful, and about as precious as sand.
I canāt believe these canāt be melted or ground up to recycle. Or how about building housing out of them, metal roofs, something. Nothing should be permitted to be used that canāt be recycled. How is this going green if trash is left behind? Maybe use it for the hulls of a boat or in paving roads?
A million years from now archeologists will be perplexed at the burial of these religious artifacts.
Wind farms are a total failure. Maintenance costs are way too high.
Wait until people "find out" about EV batteries.
There's not even a point in trying to show people about EVs. I go to car forums and the cars subreddit and its a nightmare when you ask questions about or directly tell them where the materials come from, how they become radioactive in landfills, etc. It's nuts!
I get the same feeling reading comments on CarAndDriver articles. It's like they're all lefty blue state lunatics that absolutely loathe all history of the automobile.
And that really annoys me... I'm a car history and racing history nut, so when these "car guys" can't wait for all motor racing and road cars to be electric, I'm just astonished. You envy the days of Group C, Group B, GTP, turbo v12s in f1, but now you want to destroy the internal combustion engine?
It's sad. But at least EV batteries are a progression in technology. If we can push the technology further and develop new ways to store energy, that's good for the world in the long run and the private sector is the most likely place to find that.
On the other hand, wind turbines are demonstrably a net loss on the environment. There's not much that can be enhanced about them. You will always need strong and resistant materials that are actually light enough to be moved by wind.
But in the process of this technology, many birds die which will concentrate and spread disease, and it takes up a lot of real estate..and is set up in places that would be good for additional farming or housing.
At least with solar, it's expensive and inefficient and not 100% recyclable, but it's not directly and immediately killing the birds around it. And you can get a few panels and have a small amount of energy in case of a power outage.
Privately owned turbines? Hah. Good luck with the paper work, the clean up and the hard to use power.
Batteries are growing in technology by leaps and bounds. Lithium Carbonate, Lithium Peroxide, with Toyota coming out with their prototype of a solid state lithium based battery (think SOLID chunk of ceramic, with about 240% charge density of current tech) and Tesla announcing a Lithium - Sulphur Battery with a life cycle measured around 4 Million miles.
These newer technologies will likely give ~1,000 miles/charge. And the R&D is being done by CAPITALISM.
There are also some very new revolutionary changes coming in the mining industry - in how we GET these minerals. The way we got Gold in the 1800's is not the same way we get Gold today. The way we get Lithium, Manganese, Graphene, Cobalt and Nickel is going to change. Northern Nevada has enough Lithium trapped in the clay deposits to meet the US needs through the year 2050 - just in Nevada.
There is a reason why every single car manufacturer is moving to EV.
The problem with electric is that it's being pushed by the cabal, not the free market.
A little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B.
Clearly gas vs electric is being used as a wedge issue. They are creating demand.
Tesla, on the other hand, is pushing to improve the technology beyond everyone else, which is a function of the free market, to meet that demand.
I like Elon but he built his business off of government subsidiesā¦.thatās not free market demand.
The government helps a lot of businesses.
Help getting off the ground and subsidies to push forward is not contrary to a free market.
It's not very different from gun manufacturer contracts, where they compete for the purchase of their products.
If the demand is there by the consumer, as it clearly is, then the government just helps the company with the best tech rise to meet that demand.
Additionally, and further to the point, arguing this is stupid -- because just about all major car manufacturers were given extreme subsidies and more or less squandered them. Tesla did not. Tesla actually made a good product.
If you've been paying attention for the last few years, it's pretty obvious how the cabal picks winners and losers. Electric is the current winner that they're pushing. There's little free market about it, and it certainly doesn't solve any real or perceived environmental problems.
You are aware that Telsa sold approximately 349,000 EV's in the last quarter, right? That Tesla has so many backorders on the books - right now - that they may stop taking pre-orders, because the backorders are going out beyond a year.
Compare against GM, that sold 349 cars; after dealers marked the prices up $10,000 over sticker. You cannot even order a Ford Mustang EV this year.
Whatās your point? Tesla was built off of government subsidies, not free market demand. Sure, thereās some demand now. The Ford Mustang Mach E is a great vehicle. I drive oneā¦there are some available on dealer lots, and you were able to place an order for one at some point this year. Current EVs are not yet practical for the masses. If demand is there, businesses will follow with products. The government wouldnāt need to regulate EVs into existence. When battery tech is at 1000 miles per charge highway range, fills up in less than 10 minutes from empty, and has readily available and reliable infrastructure everywhere, thatās a different story. No one is going to sit here and tell me theyāre more environmentally friendly, or that most companies are going after them because of the natural market demand.
And they are ugly AF.
Let it "leak out" that you can shave these things into a powder, smoke it, and get really high. Those things will be gone in a month...along with a lot of undesirables.
Thanos, is that you?
Hmmmm, could be.
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Can't have plastic OR PAPER bags in NJ but this is totally fucking cool right?
How strong are they? Fencing?
Exactly. My guess is they're being hidden from the sun: one of the few things that would make them degrade. So, what's the plan for their later use? Somebody's planning to dig them up, charge the taxpayers BILLIONS for the effort - and make billions more by selling them (or a product derived from them) for something nefarious.
Won't degrade? We're ALL calling BS. u/TNBanjoMan (above) suggests making a component powder from them. Imagine what could be produced from that powder when fed through a 3-D printer with a few other components. I'm not even that smart and I can smell a plot from way over here.
Fencingā¦ as in Ā«Ā BUILD THE WALLĀ Ā»?
Otherwise, what about making ammo from their shards?
Based on what I've read, they're made out of a ridiculously strong fiber glass composite in order to have the tensile strength required to be that long while holding up to the type of stress they're under.
Strong enough that it requires a diamond blade to cut through them. It's apparently a tremendous amount of labor and cost to shred the things.
That being said, you bring up a great idea, Hellann. Why not repurpose them for fencing? There has to be plenty of other useful applications for the things as there's no shortage of situations where extremely strong but thin and light materials are needed for jobs.
It can be recycled into cement: āCement plants: it is a cheap solution and offers a 100% recovery rate, the disadvantage is that considerable preparation is necessary and a special formula is needed.ā Source: http://www.ewea.org/fileadmin/files/our-activities/policy-issues/environment/research_note_recycling_WT_blades.pdf
Itās done here in Europe where itās estimated that 14,000 wind turbine blades will be decommissioned over the next few years.
Hereās the report: https://windeurope.org/newsroom/press-releases/cross-sector-industry-platform-outlines-best-strategies-for-the-recycling-of-wind-turbine-blades/
Not saying that wind energy is the best solution, but itās one of the solutions to have access to energy, especially in remote places.
Why not just harness the electricity from our planet's magnetic field?
This friend gets it
The only possible downside i could think of would be it might weaken the EMF over time. Assuming the planet's core doesnt just restore it
Hold on there, Tesla. That sounds dangerous! Allow us, Totally Not Evil Government, to control this for you.
Is that actually tesla's idea? Man i gotta do more research, i had no idea
Oh I was just referencing to playing with electricity in general. But he did some really sketchy shit that caused a lot of problems for people lol
Username checks out.
Where they wonāt degrade - itās a big joke lie no progressive will face. Most people could have a small wind mill for a power supplement and do just fine. Iām so looking forward to all the energy unleashed to us in the future.
Everything goes away if you throw a little dirt on it. ;)
Greenies will still say it was worth it. Normies have to be convinced the ROI was not .
If they are aluminum, they are recoverable; however if they are carbon fiber, once they develop stress fractures - I don't think they can be repaired.
If itās carbon, scrape it into graphene. It works with graphite.
A high percentage of the Carbon Fiber material is epoxy. The carbon fiber is more or less like rebar, in that it gives strength to the epoxy; I would guess that the carbon is no more than 50% of the material.
A lot of carbon fiber is created from cotton. Carbon usually falls into 4 distinct forms, diamond, graphite, graphene and buckminsterfullerene. Given the amount of impurities in these blades, I don't expect you are going to get much of a profit from grinding them up. Carbon is generally pretty plentiful, and about as precious as sand.
I canāt believe these canāt be melted or ground up to recycle. Or how about building housing out of them, metal roofs, something. Nothing should be permitted to be used that canāt be recycled. How is this going green if trash is left behind? Maybe use it for the hulls of a boat or in paving roads?
The real question is the fuck they degrade to begin with? This is a scam by windmill makers to sell new windmill parts to themselves.
Mining the massive magnets needed for these things is incredibly toxic.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15HIcloqNs/renewable-energy-wind-turbine-bl/c/
Technically they could be recycled however it is not economically viable.
Put every damn blade on trucks and take them to DC and dump them on the steps of Congress. Fuck this "green" bullshit.
You see that tractor in the pic? Those blade things are absolutely ginormous.