Your title is bullshit. You can interpret the audio many different ways but saying he “threatened assassination” is sensational. Shame on you for writing that, shame on the mods for stickying this with that title, and shame on anyone who reads your title and doesn’t watch/think for themselves.
The weight the person carries provides the context for the 'threat'.
If I told a PM their country's security would be at risk, it carries no weight.
If a sitting VP now President told a foreign official the same, that carries so much more weight.
Forget plausible deniability, forget assassination threats, it's perfectly clear what was being communicated.
Sure but this allows for easy plausible deniability, what the left will say is that he was saying Trump looking into the finances of Ukraine will get him to stop sending them money and weapons and will allow for the threat to his physical security that is Russian invasion.
If Joe is the mob boss, and there’s nothing he could do in Ukraine to jeopardize their safety. Yes, Ukraine is the hub of all corruption from the deep state, then destroying Ukraine would not be an option. Yes, the physical threat was implying that harm would come to do Ukrainian nation and it would be in the best interest of the mob boss to secure that nation. This wasn’t a concerned VP But instead a threat to a person to ensure the continuity of government within the hub of corruption
Do you really think a VP would just come out and say "I'll assassinate you if work with Trump" ??? The question we need to ask is WHO would do the wet work? Who is behind Biden/Obama?
Let me correct that, and OUTGOING VP (leaving office) can get a foreign leader assassinated because they might tell the INCOMING administration about their dirty dealings? The Biden conversation happened 2 weeks after Trump got elected (Nov 2016), then Trump's inaugurated in Jan 2017. People need to ask what power does an ex-VP have to send that type of order? Because no ex-admin person should have that sway.
Yeah at the end he was saying "your economic and physical security" which seems to be more taken as Ukraine's economic and physical security, rather than a veiled threat to the guy personally.
Basically play ball or your country is fucked, rather than you're personally fucked, though I guess could be implied.
And that's the good thing, we can have a differing view.
I guess from the headline I thought he would have said something like, "get this shit sorted out or you're done, pal."
Still could be taken as done professionally, or the country itself is done, but I think wording like that could be taken as being a more explicit threat.
Restating the rhetorical question: "Why is Ukraine so important?" First he withholds $10 billion to have someone removed, then he threatens assasination.
What would Trump find if he "looked into" their banking arrangements? Money laundering? Wire transfers to Democrats and RINOs? BLM funding? Payments to mercenaries? Sinister DS connections?
Sounds like he’s talking at a state level. The nations economic and physical security. Defense. Doesn’t sound like an assassination threat to me at all.
Biden: “It would behoove you to hide all of our wrong doing and make sure Trump doesn’t actually help you out and investigate. Or ELSE it will be bad for your ‘economic and physical security’.”
How blatant does a threat need to be?
Either Biden is threatening Poroschenko’s personal economic or physical security or he is threatening Ukraine’s economic and physical security. Either one constitutes a threat that I would put on the level of assassination- killing a man or killing a man’s country? Which threat is inherently more heinous?
He didn’t want Trump snooping around and investigating, blatantly stating it in a phone call. Why would a VP not want an incoming President not finding things in Ukraine?
While not 100% accurate as the title claims it more than fits the spirit of the title, though it might be a touch click-baity.
Your title is bullshit. You can interpret the audio many different ways but saying he “threatened assassination” is sensational. Shame on you for writing that, shame on the mods for stickying this with that title, and shame on anyone who reads your title and doesn’t watch/think for themselves.
Nice restaurant you have here. Be a shame if something happened.
-Tony Soprano-
Yeah, all threats are completely spelled out every time.
Shame shame shame for thinking otherwise.
Exactly, it's a classic mafia threat.
The weight the person carries provides the context for the 'threat'. If I told a PM their country's security would be at risk, it carries no weight. If a sitting VP now President told a foreign official the same, that carries so much more weight. Forget plausible deniability, forget assassination threats, it's perfectly clear what was being communicated.
Sure but this allows for easy plausible deniability, what the left will say is that he was saying Trump looking into the finances of Ukraine will get him to stop sending them money and weapons and will allow for the threat to his physical security that is Russian invasion.
... well son-of-a-bitch. He got fired.
I agree. Physical security != assassination
I don't "know" it. I'm willing to entertain the premise unless something more compelling can explain his words, but I don't "know" a thing about this.
Let's keep our wires straight so we don't lose the plot, yeah?
If Joe is the mob boss, and there’s nothing he could do in Ukraine to jeopardize their safety. Yes, Ukraine is the hub of all corruption from the deep state, then destroying Ukraine would not be an option. Yes, the physical threat was implying that harm would come to do Ukrainian nation and it would be in the best interest of the mob boss to secure that nation. This wasn’t a concerned VP But instead a threat to a person to ensure the continuity of government within the hub of corruption
Do you really think a VP would just come out and say "I'll assassinate you if work with Trump" ??? The question we need to ask is WHO would do the wet work? Who is behind Biden/Obama?
Let me correct that, and OUTGOING VP (leaving office) can get a foreign leader assassinated because they might tell the INCOMING administration about their dirty dealings? The Biden conversation happened 2 weeks after Trump got elected (Nov 2016), then Trump's inaugurated in Jan 2017. People need to ask what power does an ex-VP have to send that type of order? Because no ex-admin person should have that sway.
So in your vast experience of mob shakedowns, is it your opinion that threats must be more explicit in order to be effective?
Or could it be that the title is accurate and you are a fool?
Yeah at the end he was saying "your economic and physical security" which seems to be more taken as Ukraine's economic and physical security, rather than a veiled threat to the guy personally.
Basically play ball or your country is fucked, rather than you're personally fucked, though I guess could be implied.
Yes! This part. Your own argument defeats the claim.
Yes, but having the headline like this makes it seem explicit, but it's definitely not.
OK. But how explicit do you expect threats to be?
Story met my expectations from headline. I suppose that is where we differ.
Frankly, the audio exceeded my expectations.
And that's the good thing, we can have a differing view.
I guess from the headline I thought he would have said something like, "get this shit sorted out or you're done, pal."
Still could be taken as done professionally, or the country itself is done, but I think wording like that could be taken as being a more explicit threat.
Good old fashioned plausible deniability. Thats the go to move my dewd.
A sitting US VP threatening assassination of another country's head of state - nothing to see, right?
/s
Restating the rhetorical question: "Why is Ukraine so important?" First he withholds $10 billion to have someone removed, then he threatens assasination.
Who pays attention to what brandon says?
Durham.
Yikes!
No one anymore, but damn did he sound a lot more coherent a mere 6 years ago….
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What would Trump find if he "looked into" their banking arrangements? Money laundering? Wire transfers to Democrats and RINOs? BLM funding? Payments to mercenaries? Sinister DS connections?
Archived Tweet:
https://archive.ph/6M3jp
Archived Video:
https://files.catbox.moe/lhw7qb.mp4
Sounds like he’s talking at a state level. The nations economic and physical security. Defense. Doesn’t sound like an assassination threat to me at all.
Is this one of the phone calls from Nabu Leaks from 2020, or is this a new leak?
Related question - does anyone have an archive of all the Nabu Leaks audio?
Biden: “It would behoove you to hide all of our wrong doing and make sure Trump doesn’t actually help you out and investigate. Or ELSE it will be bad for your ‘economic and physical security’.”
How blatant does a threat need to be?
Either Biden is threatening Poroschenko’s personal economic or physical security or he is threatening Ukraine’s economic and physical security. Either one constitutes a threat that I would put on the level of assassination- killing a man or killing a man’s country? Which threat is inherently more heinous?
He didn’t want Trump snooping around and investigating, blatantly stating it in a phone call. Why would a VP not want an incoming President not finding things in Ukraine?
While not 100% accurate as the title claims it more than fits the spirit of the title, though it might be a touch click-baity.
Why isn't this homo-pedo cirme boss swinging from the end of a rope?
What’s that Fraud still doing not swinging ?
Clearly talking about Ukraine's physical security. You don't need to twist words to make Biden look bad. He's already bad.
Remember when Trumps phone call was made such a huge deal in the msm? Wonder if we will see this one?
Please forget about getting him out by using the 25th, he needs to be on trial for treason.
What did Biden not want Trump to look into? I think it's worth looking into further.