I dont think it was ever Putin's goal to utterly destroy Ukraine. Precision strikes. Denazify the region. These were his goals explicitly stated by himself.
The majority of the destruction we do see is largely from the Azov (Nazi) army destroying their own people and land and then blaming it on Russia. Typical CIA tactic used all across the middle east during those endless wars.
Only because the Russians consider the Ukrainians their brethren. They are going to extreme lengths to not kill not only civilians but also the rank n file soldiers (excluding Azov Nazis of coarse). Saving the lives of their countrymen along with their property. I personally find it very commendable.
If at any point it seems like Ukraine's most corrupt hoodlums are about to get got, they will pull the trigger and bodies will start hitting the floor.
Furthermore, Ukraine is also leveraging their people to demand the US pay them to stay afloat, otherwise all their blackmail starts coming out as well.
Ukraine is exceptionally corrupt, and they have their own people and the West's most vile characters by the balls. One wrong move by Russia, and they'll start shouting "IF I'M GOING DOWN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH ME!"
When faced with a no-win scenario, it's smart to assume that criminals will invariably self-destruct so that they may at least rule over the ashes. With this in mind, the most sound strategy in any war is to always permit your enemy to think they are winning up until the point you're able to wrestle the gun out of their hand or at the very least have your snipers in position to take the shot should the criminal decide to end it all ahead of schedule.
My read of the situation, which is guaranteed faulty in large or small details, is that the Russian plan was never to fully invest and conquer Ukraine.
It has always looked to me as if it's a very limited military operation with a set of goals that have already largely been reached.
One thing to pay attention to. Notice that every time Russia calls a halt, like they recently did to hold the referendums in the Russian majority areas they occupy, all a sudden the msm starts pouring out stories about how the brave brave Ukraine military stopped the Russians in their tracks!
The only real consistently true "rule of thumb" for info from that AO (area of operations) is that EVERYTHING the msm says or prints is a lie.
This was NEVER Putin’s intension. This was a Special Military Operation - not a war. In 2014, areas of Russia under the Minsk Agreement came under the area of Ukraine and 2 conditions were established . Do not put any NATO bases in Ukraine (Ukraine is NOT a NATO member) and allow the Russian speaking people in the Donbas - Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson and Crimea as well as Odessa and other areas - to live autonomous freely able to speak Russian, worship how they like etc. This was made law when the Minsk Agreement was signed. Within hours, it was broken and the AZOV battalion (formed at the same time) along with other Nazi groups joined with the Ukraine Military. They started bombing the Donbas areas and in 9 years have killed 14,000+ CIVILIANS and we have no idea how many of the Donbas Militia have been killed in trying to protect that area.
If you remember at the beginning what Putin said when he entered Ukraine, it was to DENATZIFY the Donbas areas (think AZOVSteel in Mariupol). This steelworks was kilometres long and 8 stories underground. It had been well fortified by Ukraine and Biolabs were found and captured NATO/UK/US/EU military leaders which are now in Russia - not Donbas.
There has only ever been 20% (I had said earlier that number was 40% but respected Intel says only 20%.), the Donbas Militias, some Chechens, the Wagner Group (Musicians) and a law was passed for foreign fighters to join too. It is believed that the elite group - Syrian Tigers are somewhere in the mix.
That ALL changed just hours ago. The Duma has now passed laws after the Referenda and there are millions of Russians that have gone home to Russia. Home they yearned for for 9 long, tortuous years. The SMO has ended. Any attacks by the EU/West/NATO etc will be considered terrorist attacks. If ANY Ukraine soldiers are captured in the Donbas areas (now Russia), they will be considered terrorists. The death penalty will be applied if captured.
This is where I can answer your question. Around a week ago just before the Referenda, RESERVISTS were called up. These are men that served in Russian Military but since retired. They WILL NOT go to the front line. They will fill the positions that the 80% of Active Russian Fighters that never set foot in Ukraine that will now move to the frontline . But they will learn how to use new weapons etc. At the moment there are thousands upon thousands of Russian military, Chechens, the Wagners etc pouring into the old Donbas areas because there are many Ukraine military still embedded in those areas, using the residents as meat shields. Their intension is to drive the enemy or terrorists from the land. I believe during this push, Odessa and other areas will be returned to Russia. If you go to IntelSlavaZ on telegram you will see the videos of the Mobilisations and the result of the attacks on those remaining in Ukraine. Pay no attention to the leftist media - they are just mouthpieces for NATO/Pentagon/EU. Russia is wiping the floor with Ukraine. Ukraine have lost over 100,000 military.
There is NO REASON to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth. When this is over and there are moves underfoot to get rid of Zelensky atm, Ukraine will be landlocked, with nothing but unliveable areas. They have lost millions of Ukrainians to Europe and many will not return and Millions to Russia in the Referenda and the upcoming Referandas as new liberated areas like Odessa move under Russias protection.
The West/EU media have been hyping the nuclear bomb fear. Why?? They are trying to get ahead of the narrative because this bombing of the Nord Stream is now known worldwide as being done by America, perhaps Poland, Norway, Sweden and even Finland. Germany is really p. ed. Their greatest ally bombed their only chance of survival this winter. It’s clear. America wants to rule the world. Their history shows they cause regime change time and time again. And for what? To take the natural resources of a country, burn it to the ground and make sure they never rise again. They’ve met their match with Putin. He will not play ball. And many nations are rushing to join BRICS.
Russia was limited in its 'special military operations' by Russian law. Now that the for 4 Oblasts have overwhelmingly voted to join the the Russian Federation, it is no longer a special military operation. It is now Russian territory that is being attacked. Russia can now start in "earnest" to end the Ukrainian hostilities against the Russian people and its territory. This means the full weight of Russian forces will come to bear. The start of this is the 300,000 conscripts that will be used to secure the existing areas. Look for a major Russian offensive to start in the coming weeks.
I agree with TravinTexas. They feel that Ukraine is part of Russia and they want to minimize civilian casualties. It's the Deep State's tactic to invade with guns a blazin and destroy everything in sight (see Iraq, among many others).
MSM wants shock & awe and Putin ain’t giving it to them. The cabal has been instigating Russia from the beginning and it’s frustrating the hell out of them that he isn’t taking the bait. They want this thing to turn into a destroyed Europe just like post-ww2 so they can come in as the saviors of the world. Great reset.
At this point, the only ones thinking Ukraine is heroic are the bots and the imbecile’s
Seems to me if Putin wants to destroy the Cabal he should go to the source and eliminate Lake Geneva Switzerland from the face of the earth taking the deep state and CIA Headquarters with it. Screw their "neutrality" it a veil they've been hiding behind for too long.
Because that wasn't their goal. The goal was minimal damage and casualties in the Donbass region as they liberated their own people from the tyrannical regime in charge.
From the get-go of the “special” operation, Putin has said they only want to illuminate the region of Nazi’s in control of said region. They are using old fighter jets and not state of the art fighters… If a full mobilization occurred, that place would be a parking lot in days
Russia. While still a Military Giant is nowhere near what they were in their heyday.
From my perspective. Seems they don’t want to get bogged down in occupation duties in Western Ukraine. That and likely if it looked like Ukraine was going to be overrun. Undoubtedly NATO Forces will intervene directly and openly as opposed to the shadowy stuff their doing now. The current status quo while not necessarily ideal is still probably preferable to them versus a large scale conventional war across all of Europe.
Save Infrastructure?
I dont think it was ever Putin's goal to utterly destroy Ukraine. Precision strikes. Denazify the region. These were his goals explicitly stated by himself.
The majority of the destruction we do see is largely from the Azov (Nazi) army destroying their own people and land and then blaming it on Russia. Typical CIA tactic used all across the middle east during those endless wars.
Only because the Russians consider the Ukrainians their brethren. They are going to extreme lengths to not kill not only civilians but also the rank n file soldiers (excluding Azov Nazis of coarse). Saving the lives of their countrymen along with their property. I personally find it very commendable.
Ukraine is holding its own people hostage.
If at any point it seems like Ukraine's most corrupt hoodlums are about to get got, they will pull the trigger and bodies will start hitting the floor.
Furthermore, Ukraine is also leveraging their people to demand the US pay them to stay afloat, otherwise all their blackmail starts coming out as well.
Ukraine is exceptionally corrupt, and they have their own people and the West's most vile characters by the balls. One wrong move by Russia, and they'll start shouting "IF I'M GOING DOWN, YOU'RE GOING DOWN WITH ME!"
When faced with a no-win scenario, it's smart to assume that criminals will invariably self-destruct so that they may at least rule over the ashes. With this in mind, the most sound strategy in any war is to always permit your enemy to think they are winning up until the point you're able to wrestle the gun out of their hand or at the very least have your snipers in position to take the shot should the criminal decide to end it all ahead of schedule.
My read of the situation, which is guaranteed faulty in large or small details, is that the Russian plan was never to fully invest and conquer Ukraine.
It has always looked to me as if it's a very limited military operation with a set of goals that have already largely been reached.
One thing to pay attention to. Notice that every time Russia calls a halt, like they recently did to hold the referendums in the Russian majority areas they occupy, all a sudden the msm starts pouring out stories about how the brave brave Ukraine military stopped the Russians in their tracks!
The only real consistently true "rule of thumb" for info from that AO (area of operations) is that EVERYTHING the msm says or prints is a lie.
This was NEVER Putin’s intension. This was a Special Military Operation - not a war. In 2014, areas of Russia under the Minsk Agreement came under the area of Ukraine and 2 conditions were established . Do not put any NATO bases in Ukraine (Ukraine is NOT a NATO member) and allow the Russian speaking people in the Donbas - Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson and Crimea as well as Odessa and other areas - to live autonomous freely able to speak Russian, worship how they like etc. This was made law when the Minsk Agreement was signed. Within hours, it was broken and the AZOV battalion (formed at the same time) along with other Nazi groups joined with the Ukraine Military. They started bombing the Donbas areas and in 9 years have killed 14,000+ CIVILIANS and we have no idea how many of the Donbas Militia have been killed in trying to protect that area.
If you remember at the beginning what Putin said when he entered Ukraine, it was to DENATZIFY the Donbas areas (think AZOVSteel in Mariupol). This steelworks was kilometres long and 8 stories underground. It had been well fortified by Ukraine and Biolabs were found and captured NATO/UK/US/EU military leaders which are now in Russia - not Donbas.
There has only ever been 20% (I had said earlier that number was 40% but respected Intel says only 20%.), the Donbas Militias, some Chechens, the Wagner Group (Musicians) and a law was passed for foreign fighters to join too. It is believed that the elite group - Syrian Tigers are somewhere in the mix.
That ALL changed just hours ago. The Duma has now passed laws after the Referenda and there are millions of Russians that have gone home to Russia. Home they yearned for for 9 long, tortuous years. The SMO has ended. Any attacks by the EU/West/NATO etc will be considered terrorist attacks. If ANY Ukraine soldiers are captured in the Donbas areas (now Russia), they will be considered terrorists. The death penalty will be applied if captured.
This is where I can answer your question. Around a week ago just before the Referenda, RESERVISTS were called up. These are men that served in Russian Military but since retired. They WILL NOT go to the front line. They will fill the positions that the 80% of Active Russian Fighters that never set foot in Ukraine that will now move to the frontline . But they will learn how to use new weapons etc. At the moment there are thousands upon thousands of Russian military, Chechens, the Wagners etc pouring into the old Donbas areas because there are many Ukraine military still embedded in those areas, using the residents as meat shields. Their intension is to drive the enemy or terrorists from the land. I believe during this push, Odessa and other areas will be returned to Russia. If you go to IntelSlavaZ on telegram you will see the videos of the Mobilisations and the result of the attacks on those remaining in Ukraine. Pay no attention to the leftist media - they are just mouthpieces for NATO/Pentagon/EU. Russia is wiping the floor with Ukraine. Ukraine have lost over 100,000 military.
There is NO REASON to wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth. When this is over and there are moves underfoot to get rid of Zelensky atm, Ukraine will be landlocked, with nothing but unliveable areas. They have lost millions of Ukrainians to Europe and many will not return and Millions to Russia in the Referenda and the upcoming Referandas as new liberated areas like Odessa move under Russias protection.
The West/EU media have been hyping the nuclear bomb fear. Why?? They are trying to get ahead of the narrative because this bombing of the Nord Stream is now known worldwide as being done by America, perhaps Poland, Norway, Sweden and even Finland. Germany is really p. ed. Their greatest ally bombed their only chance of survival this winter. It’s clear. America wants to rule the world. Their history shows they cause regime change time and time again. And for what? To take the natural resources of a country, burn it to the ground and make sure they never rise again. They’ve met their match with Putin. He will not play ball. And many nations are rushing to join BRICS.
Russia was limited in its 'special military operations' by Russian law. Now that the for 4 Oblasts have overwhelmingly voted to join the the Russian Federation, it is no longer a special military operation. It is now Russian territory that is being attacked. Russia can now start in "earnest" to end the Ukrainian hostilities against the Russian people and its territory. This means the full weight of Russian forces will come to bear. The start of this is the 300,000 conscripts that will be used to secure the existing areas. Look for a major Russian offensive to start in the coming weeks.
Yes. Many were in the AVOZsteel steel works.
Territory is territory. No matter what happens to be on it.
I agree with TravinTexas. They feel that Ukraine is part of Russia and they want to minimize civilian casualties. It's the Deep State's tactic to invade with guns a blazin and destroy everything in sight (see Iraq, among many others).
Read the SMO . The wrote where and why they took what.
They didnt want ukraine. After Wednesday, though, it moves SMO to War. Big diff and thats when you see russia make Sherman look nice.
Effective date Russia annex guarantees defense
Something something Nordstream...
He is no knowledge fag. Ignore. I am dead on. Contracts matter.
Russian annexation drfensive response vs SMO. Huge diff.
Optics for history's sake.
If the goal was to defeat Ukrain outright, then Russia would have done that.
If the goal was to play their part according to the Q Plan, then they would stretch it out to fit the timeline.
This is one of the reasons for believing Putin is following Q orders.
Russia doesn’t want to kill a bunch of innocent people. Which bodes well for us.
MSM wants shock & awe and Putin ain’t giving it to them. The cabal has been instigating Russia from the beginning and it’s frustrating the hell out of them that he isn’t taking the bait. They want this thing to turn into a destroyed Europe just like post-ww2 so they can come in as the saviors of the world. Great reset.
At this point, the only ones thinking Ukraine is heroic are the bots and the imbecile’s
Seems to me if Putin wants to destroy the Cabal he should go to the source and eliminate Lake Geneva Switzerland from the face of the earth taking the deep state and CIA Headquarters with it. Screw their "neutrality" it a veil they've been hiding behind for too long.
Because that wasn't their goal. The goal was minimal damage and casualties in the Donbass region as they liberated their own people from the tyrannical regime in charge.
From the get-go of the “special” operation, Putin has said they only want to illuminate the region of Nazi’s in control of said region. They are using old fighter jets and not state of the art fighters… If a full mobilization occurred, that place would be a parking lot in days
You’re comparing military human resources of Alaska vs Florida ;)
Alaska is … bigger.
Imagine moving soldiers dozens of thousands of kilometres. It takes weeks for a train to travel across this area.
Russia. While still a Military Giant is nowhere near what they were in their heyday.
From my perspective. Seems they don’t want to get bogged down in occupation duties in Western Ukraine. That and likely if it looked like Ukraine was going to be overrun. Undoubtedly NATO Forces will intervene directly and openly as opposed to the shadowy stuff their doing now. The current status quo while not necessarily ideal is still probably preferable to them versus a large scale conventional war across all of Europe.
Ukraine is not a parking lot because that was not the mission.
We are not talking about the US right?