When I was in high school, I sat in the back corner of one of my classes with a couple of Christian girls. They regaled me with End Times stories which I now believe were cobbled up from John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren, further promoted via the Scofield Bible, which gave rise to Dispensationalism and Christian Zionism.
I wasn't a Christian myself, just an ignorant, clueless churchgoer, but I listened avidly to their tales. They said that one day soon, there was going to be a one world government, a one world religion and a one world currency. I had no idea about any of this, but lo and behold, we are actually now at the precipice of such a possibility. Not that I believe this will happen. It is being threatened after a fashion by WEF.
They said that one day, Jesus would come and rapture all of the Christians out of the world before the horrors were unleashed, and they considered they would be receiving this wonderful ride.
However, all of the non-Christians "left behind" were going to be in very serious trouble. The Anti-Christ would arise and rule the world and would begin persecuting any new Christians that would convert after the rapture. These people would have a kind of "second chance" with Jesus, but it would really cost them, because the Anti-Christ would chop off their heads if they didn't take the "mark of the beast," without which no man could "buy or sell."
I was so freaked out by these talks, that I got out a Bible and read all of Revelation, without any understanding of the text, of course. Since I didn't know how to "believe in Jesus," I thought I was going to end up being one of those people who got their heads chopped off, because taking the mark would result in a ride to hell, which, of course, I didn't want.
This was about 15 years prior to my conversion. And I finally learned that much of Revelation is written in a very symbolic way.
After conversion, someone gave me a copy of the Scofield Bible. It is very influential in the American churches. I noticed that there are copious margin notes, and the notes overwhelmingly promote the earthly nation of Israel. So this led many American churches to put earthly Israel above Christ's Kingdom.
If you notice the kinds of things that WEF and others of that ilk are saying, doing, and threatening to do, they seem to be promoting some kind of End Times madness. It is interesting that in the early days of the Christian church, people were saying that the disciples were "turning the world upside down." It is equally interesting that today, the world has once more become something that has "turned upside down," but not in the Gospel sense, rather in a crazy, never-seen-before kind of way. Good has become bad, ugly has become beautiful, upside down is now considered to be right side up.
If the WEF orcs get their way, there will be all kinds of suffering and death, and they have been holding this over our heads since early 2020. Not that they didn't talk about it before. It's just that not many were listening. Well, a lot of us are listening now, because the orcs got louder.
Since 2020, I have had some days with crying and even screaming at the walls. "Isn't anyone going to put a stop to this?" The world has truly gone mad. I thought maybe Hazmat suits were going to come to my door, throw me down, and forcibly inject me with poison. Hasn't happened so far. I thought the BLM riots might come to my neighborhood, robbing, raping, killing and setting fire. Hasn't happened yet. Last fall, Biden promised a dark winter. Didn't happen. They are threatening us now with no money, no food, no heat for our homes, no fuel for our cars, and even a potential nuclear exchange. Is any of that going to happen? Or is it mostly just fear mongering for the purpose of controlling the masses?
Orcs such as Klaus Schwab talk as if they are on the verge of victory. I think they are wrong. They haven't read the back of the book. I don't think we will have to line up at guillotines, emaciated, freezing, and beaten nearly to death. These things have indeed happened to some people throughout history. But I believe in the happy ending that God has promised. Satan's army is busy threatening ALL of us. That has never happened before, to my knowledge. Satan can't win, however. God wins. It is that simple.
What do you mean by this? Seriously. In what sense?
Until then, be ready to fight like He could lose.
BINGO!
There is no rapture. That idea is only entered mainstream Christianity in the last couple of hundred years by the Scofield Bible that was widely adopted.
The rapture is the greatest lie the devil ever injected into Christianity. It has neutered the church into not fighting for every realm of culture and taking dominion. Who polishes brass on a sinking ship?
It is NOT what Christian's traditionally believed nor is it what the bible teaches. God WINS. The "end" will be just like in the days of Noah. Who was swept of the earth and destroyed in the days of Noah? The wicked. Those in the Ark (symbolic of Christ) were spared and saw a land partially transformed, a preview of what would come.
This time it won't be water, but fire like Jesus's Parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 "...“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” God is literally telling us the tares are burned first. I doubt He got the order wrong.
Here's a great playlist with videos on the subject including sermons, lectures, and debates with the other positions https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J
Well, the Apostle Paul believed there would be a "catching away" is how it is written in the Bible. Rapture came from the Latin translation of this "catching away". The Bible clearly teaches the true Church is NOT appointed to God's wrath--the Tribulation. It has happened before. There were three types of people that went through the Flood. Enoch was "taken" before the Flood---symbolic of the Church, Noah and his family were saved through the Flood---symbolic of Israel, and those that perished in the Flood---symbolic of the ungodly. The Bible is the most amazing book ever written!
Why was Enoch taken out of the Bible?
We can ask him when we get there. The only explanation the Bible gives is "Enoch walked with God". In a time of complete immorality, he was probably one of the few.
Enoch was never taken out of the Bible.
Failing to include a book when it was put together does not equate into "taking it out".
Gosh if only there were an explanation for that.... oh there is.... in the playlist.
LOL that's the problem with you dispys, you MUST make things about Israel. God's people aren't in Israel, they are in Christ.
The tribulation happened. Ask the people slaughtered after Jesus died.
I suppose Jesus came back and ruled for the 1000 years also! KEK
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Luke 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.
Luke 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
What is your point?
My point is that people are looking for Jesus to return and rule on earth and in the flesh. Jesus himself said that this wouldn't happen. He said when people claim this is going to happen, do not follow them.
I'll not cast my pearls before swine. That is Biblical!
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father making all His enemies His footstool. Read your bible.
Maybe you should read yours! Ever heard of the Book of Revelation or 1Thess. Maybe 11Thess.?
Revelation was about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70AD.
1 thess: that this passage refers to the visible, glorious, second advent to conclude history, not an invisible rapture removing believers in preparation for setting up another redemptive-historical era (the great tribulation followed by the millennium).
Paul says:
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first” (1Th 4:16).
By all appearance, this seems emphatically to be a very public event, even if we do not take these elements as literal trumpet blasts and loud audio vocalizations. Besides, this event involves millions of physical resurrections and the transformation of millions of living believers, removing them from the world. This must have a public impact.
In addition, the passage teaches that “so shall we ever be with the Lord.” It says nothing of Christians going with him to heaven for seven years, then returning to the earth to rule in a thousand-year millennium, then returning back to heaven. Some (not all) dispensationalists hold that: “The locale of their future is not permanent as they will be in heaven during the time preceding the Second Coming [i.e., during the seven-year great tribulation]. They will be on earth during the millennial kingdom.
I think not but you can believe what you want.
This is wrong.
The idea of rapture has been around since the early church and has been taught throughout the centuries.
Fairy tale.
I clearly said "entered mainstream" it was NOT the prevailing eschatological position prior to the widespread adoption of the Scofield Bible.
It is still NOT what the Bible teaches. It's a TRADITION you've been taught and does not hold up to scripture when you examine it objectively especially with a knowledge of history and events that CLEARLY coincide with Revelation and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD
Jesus even said "This generation shall not pass till all these things take place" Did that generation pass? Yep. And what happened during that generation? The destruction of Jerusalem and a LOCALIZED judgment.
That playlist I shared is jam packed with lot's of evidence and debates so take a look at it before we waste time rehashing things that are already covered there.
I'm not going to debate you. I am simply providing information for anyone who happens to read this thread to research and come to their own conclusions. To that end, here are some links.
A CASE FOR THE PRETRIBULATIONAL RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH
The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
A HEBRAIC PERSPECTIVE: IS THERE IS A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE OR NOT?
Well it became a debate when you misrepresented what I said that you still haven't corrected or taken back. Is honesty and integrity not important to you?
I did not misrepresent you. I directly quoted your assertion that rapture wasn't mainstream before scofield, and then I disagreed and told you why I disagreed.
Quoting you is not misrepresenting you. Disagreeing with you is not misrepresenting you.
I am not going to take back anything, chief.
You quoted PART of what I said and responded ignoring the qualifying statement that negated your response.
Now you are just being dishonest.
What I quoted WAS your qualifying statement. Do you even know what a qualifying statement is?
I don't have to acknowledge and respond to every assertion in your post. As I said, I am not going to debate you.
As for dishonesty, you are the one displaying manipulative rhetoric.
you need to do more research, Rapture doctrine has been around since at least the 4th century https://rumble.com/v1etshh-pre-tribulation-rapture-taught-by-early-church-back-to-100s-ad-mirrored.html
I clearly said "entered mainstream" it was NOT the prevailing eschatological position prior to the widespread adoption of the Scofield Bible.
If you don't misrepresent me by researching what I said that should be quite clear.
Research that playlist I shared then get back to me.
so are you trying to say Rapture doctrine is true but only recently entered the mainstream? And i don't do other people playlist, I go to the source
No, I'm clearly saying I reject it and hold to the prevailing eschatological position of Christians prior to the publication of that Bible. The same position that most of our founders had. The same position that Christians that started projects that they wouldn't see completed in their lifetimes and their great grandchildren would need to finish.
That's a genetic logical fallacy. There are multiple sources there and multiple very well respected Preachers, theologians, Biblical historians, teachers, writers and others that are using both scripture and historical events to support their positions to chose from. Need I remind you that YOU just linked to a video in your prior comment? Don't be an inconsistent hypocrite.
I used to hold to pre-millennial dispensationalism just like you. Try to be open minded enough to consider that there's more to learn and not be prideful in your own knowledge. If Dr James White who is top 5 in Biblical Textual transmission and translation and a well respected Biblical scholar (who is one of the people in the videos) that knows Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic can change his position this late in life maybe you can at least consider examining the arguments and evidence.
Good day.
I'm going to leave it because you are clearly frustrated, but I'm leaving a parting thought I pray you take to heart.
If you are going to mention the days of Noah, you must also recognize that it was God Himself who sealed Noah and family in the Ark to keep them from the storm that was blowing outside. Also on you adherence to other people interpretation etc.... Jesus teaches us, Matt 13, how to understand the Word. Get your heart right with Him, read it out of Love for Him, you don't need those interpretations, the Spirit will give it to you. In the story of Lazarus and the rich man we know that we have the Word of the Prophets that was inspired by the Spirit. If you are unsure, use your Concordance and trust God before trusting man. Either way if you are saved and i trust you are, we'll meet up in the air whether you believe it will happen or not.
Peace
Sure we both follow God. You follow Him your way and I'll follow Him His way. ;-)
And no not frustrated, but calling out a clear genetic logical fallacy when you rejected looking at discussions and debates covering a variety of arguments you may not have considered.
U should take this info over to c/christianity and let it be evaluated over there.
It's relevant to this post and discussion. It will reach eyes here that would never see it in that Sub.
I don't talk about God and His kingdom only at church, I do it everywhere from the grocery store to the DMV and apply it to every part of my life.
Also I don't need God's word evaluated by man. God is the judge and His word is the standard.
If OP shares this post over there and tags me I will happily add my comment to add to the convo however.
So far I believe u have only used Gods word once. The rest has been mans evaluation of Gods word. It's all good u told me everything I needed to know in your response. Have a good night
Why cant u do both?
And it was just as silly then as it is now.
So I would take the time to study Enoch and get a better understanding of the Nephilim. The Flood was NOT because of "muh sinners" it was because of angels breeding with humans. But because Enoch, which Christ quoted was conveniently left out of "canon", the narrative shifted to a more basic one that gets distorted into another "turn or burn" tale.
There are a few pages missing from the Bible... and by a few I mean a metric fuck ton.
Well that's a separate issue but do you really believe angels breeding with humans isn't sin in God's eyes? Were they married? Of course not. God, who defined marriage, said it was between a man and a woman and sex outside of marriage is a sin. So it was about removing the sinful from the Earth and a prequel to what God would do with those in Christ in the future.
The flood wiped out those that were in rebellion against God and sinning (just like anyone outside of Christ) while those that were in Christ were safe from God's judgment. This time it won't be water, but fire like The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares in Matthew 13:24-30 "...“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”
Does anything I said above conflict with the Book of Enoch? Having read it I don't believe it does.
A lot of headlines are purely to demoralize us. I don't pay them much mind.
Agreed. Walk by faith and not by sight. They are just trying to fear monger us at this point. Each attempt is getting more desperate. I do think there will be a big event where things go dark for a bit, but those that are awakened will know what is actually happening. I'll be celebrating and praising God while the rest of the world freaks totally out haha.
"God wins! God wins!" As always in the Will Ferrell Harry Caray voice for effect
Until then, we should be ready to fight like He could lose...
God will certainly win. The Anti-Christ is here but yet to be revealed which turd he is, be it; Schwab, Soros, Gates, or my target/pick Yuval Harai. And then Christ will arrive in person/being, wipe the turd out for all to see, cleanse the earth, and we will be in forever in heavenly harmony. And this will all be in our current lifetime. I wonder what Q would say.
“Then I saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was someone like the Son of Man. He had a gold crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came from the Temple and shouted to the one sitting on the cloud, “Swing the sickle, for the time of harvest has come; the crop on earth is ripe.” So the one sitting on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the whole earth was harvested.” Revelation 14:14-16
We’re onto them. And heavily armed. They’ll get nowhere here
the WEF has had a big head-start.
they were operating in the open, but we just weren't watching them.
now we are watching them.
and now Klaus Schwab is whining about "conspiracy theorists" talking about him.
Amen!
Look at it this way. Everything foretold in Revelation will have to happen. God has willed it to be this way. No matter what humans think they are doing, the end game is the same. Gods timeline of the end will always be his will and his manifestation of events. If we believe that what was written in Revelation to be the words of Jesus Christ, then we must also believe that there is no solution to our problem without God. No way around it. Remain faithful until the the end, and receive the crown of Life.
The end of your own life. The end of the world has happened hundreds of times in 2000 years, each generation in each nation heralding in a new anti-christ when they see the world and it’s evil continues after the last one.
Revelation is an allegory. Read it as prophecy to the loss of your own inner peace. The kingdom of heaven is within.
I absolutely 💘 💘 this post! Thank you!! 🙏🙏🙏
Yep, though we are also told if we are prepared we need not fear IIRC.
Have food & cleaning supplies, as well as something to help with hot/cold weather.
If you are able to store enough away to also help neighbors, you may just become the local hero that many needed & you can help others prepare to exposure (heat & cold exposure), encouraging some water storage & food storage for problems like these disasters we saw in TX & just now on FL.
Many will recognize that a modest emergency prep is a good idea. Encourage them to be ready for 30-60 days while resources (power & networks) get back online in a worst case scenario. It may be longer. It may only be a few days, though it really helps if you can survive & be comfortable during that time waiting.
Most around me that don't share my faith, that has engraiend biblical preparedness (ie story of Joseph in Egypt preparing the region for a famine) into our local culture, can see & appreciate the value of being ready for a month long emergency themselves & to be able to help 2-3 other homes in the neighborhood if those homes/food storages were destroyed.
I think reaching out with love to be prepared before everything goes sideways (as it needs to) will help further solidify the complete destruction of the deep state.
NESARA sounds like the millennium Kingdom Of Christ on earth. 1000 years of peace after the events of Armageddon, then the release of Satan to tempt for one last time. After that is the lake of fire.
Once we are done and God truly claims final victory, those monsters will never ever return. They will be obliterated.
I really love this take. It's truthful and yeah I agree with calling out the bullshit as you have.
The rapture... is a funny fairy tale brought about by a coddled people who think that for whatever reason, the most comfortable generation of Christians will be taken up before all the bad things happen. That sounds cool and all and if it is true, great... but after so many generations have been slaughtered senselessly why is the most coddled and comfortable generation should avoid any hardship?
I think we are seeing and living in a poetic foreshadowing. It mirrors the end, but it won't quite be it. The Bible also says how the hearts of man were evil and there were almost no believers left... well... here's my problem with saying that in the modern day: only about 1% of the human population is arguably evil. At our core we are selfish survivalists. Sinful? Yes. But evil? Well such capacity to do good or evil resides within all of us. And as I have connected with others across the world, I've realized most people just want to live out their lives in peace. Those people in the Middle East we were told to fear? Turns out no, most of them DON'T want to hurt us. They, like all of us here in GAW just want TO BE LEFT THE FUCK ALONE.
Whether Jesus comes back or I live out my days in peace, it's a win for me. Also, the Roman Empire and Sodom and Gomora were far more degenerate and fallen than our modern society. For one, pedophilia is VERY much intolerated in our society THANK GOD. In those societies it was perfectly accepted. But in the end, as I said, either outcome is fine. One way or another this evil is over. They are about to lose hard and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it.