This is literally my career. Google “environmental lab” although these labs have EPA certifications, they aren’t doing the EPA’s bidding. You can call any of these labs and I know Ohio has literally a list of them. Ask for pricing too. It’s not cheap. This is where your water utility debt has 3rd party lab testing performed for water quality. They might not be set up to specifically test for vinyl chloride but they will tell you what they can do. pH measurements of water are cheap and common.
Rooftop, i am within 40 miles of this, In Deerfield Ohio. I havent been as concerned due to having a deepwater well and being upwind, however, if theres a way i could help please message me.
If you could get a sample of the water in Berlin lake, I'd be very interested personally. I would like to get a sample from meander reservoir myself if I can find the time
If you are on a higher topographic area then there shouldn't be a concern about the contaminated water reaching your neck of the woods.
But for those at a similar or lower elevation they should take it more seriously. The way water moves underground is much slower and at larger distances but it is possible that contaminated water could be an issue.
I suggest a quicker test.
Let's put DeWine & Crew in a dunk tank of East Palestine water. Early results will be hard to distinguish as he is shriveled to start with but let's try it anyway.
I live in an agricultural state and the State University has ground water and soil test labs at a number of their local extensions. At the very least there is a number that you can call and they can probably direct you to an appropriate lab to test for contaminants.
I believe they can test the age of wine by looking at tritium concentrations. But these days most water sources and newer wines will not have high tritium concentrations. This is because nuclear surface testing in the U.S. ended a long time ago.
Important dots connecting here: Our company offered soil testing for pollutants for many years meaning we take dirt samples and send to science lab for analysis. Abruptly, in December of 2021, ALL our usual labs across multiple states stopped offering soil testing for toxins, ALL at the same time. Weird coincidence? Labs have offered soil testing like forever. Suddenly, they all stop. My guess is the deep state is getting ready for intentional chemical spills and environmental "accidents" and they want to make it difficult for the herd to get proof. Remember the gas cloud on the mural at Denver airport.
God Bless You rooftop, this is very helpful. In addition, when well tests are performed here in Ohio for a real estate sales transaction, the Realtor involved will set-up the inspection with an inspector. Keep in mind that any inspector must be licensed through the State to be able to perform well (and septic) tests per County. Here is a home inspector that provides well testing in NE Ohio, specifically Columbiana County where East Palestine is located. Northeast Ohio Well Inspections I do know the inspector comes to the home, performs the well test, collects a water sample and sends it to an accredited lab to test for bacteria, lead, nitrites/nitrates. If it were me, I'd call one of my local well inspectors (many are home inspectors too) and ask if either they are willing to do water test or ask which lab they send their samples to for testing to possibly contact lab directly. I know if it were me I would NEVER have the contractor that Norfolk Southern obtained to do my well test.
This test here seems to indicate that it can detect vinyl chloride. I may order that test and see what happens with our tap water in the Youngstown area. We get our water from meander reservoir
How do you remove vinyl chloride from drinking water?
Installation of an in-home activated carbon filter can remove most of the vinyl chloride from water. Using bottled water also will reduce exposure. If you use contaminated water for other uses in the home (i.e. bathing, and washing dishes), ventilate bathrooms, washrooms and kitchens during and after water use.
We have a volunteer group here that tests the Shenandoah River in several spots for any kind of pollution. If you have a similar group there, they could probably give you data for the waterways near the derailment. They would probably know if there's anyone doing air and soil testing too.
In Florida the water management districts along with counties, cities and State all do water testing of surface water. As well as water underground (eg confined aquifers) testing.
There are contradicting stories. Either the train was on fire for 20 miles before it crashed or it crashed, and they intentionally set the fire to burn off the liquids.
I am not saying that I dont understand that the cost is what it is, but knowing the area very well, that a lot of people there are going to have a HARD time being able to afford testing.
You missed the point about the rain washing down the pollutants into the soil. Yes, it is possible that there are no pollutants left in the air over Ohio, but then it behooves PA or NY residents to get baseline samples.
Everything ive stated is fact. Questionable downvote brigade if anything.
The train car was on fire 20 miles before derailment. There was a massive explosion and intense burn. All the chemicals on board are/were very flammable and reactive.
If youve ever set foot in a lab before you would know that reactions use up all available materials.
The hot box was on fire, on the cc video we've all seen, not the train car. "Use up" all available materials, that's awesome. There are still products, amigo, please stop being daft and go pick up a chemistry book. A junior one.
There was no explosion, there definitely was a fire they started on purpose, "controlled burn," and there were several cars leaking, especially after their fire. There were more chemicals than just vinyl chloride, by the way. Fire doesn't necessarily consume everything, sometimes it makes new things. Now calm down; if you're not going to help please get out of the way.
From the pictures ive seen there was a fairly large explosion. Typical with the rapid burn of combustibles. So you definitely havent seen all the photos or video clips but still feel like you should voice your opinion as fact, interesting.
Maybe you need to sit down until you've seen all of the photos.
Vinyl chloride is extremely reactive and flammable by the way...
And yes fire makes new things, in the form of a gas, as in smoke. Something that wont leach into the ground.
One explosion doesn't instantly combust multiple tons through multiple train cars. If nothing leaked, not leached, you basic little genius, what is still killing fish, frogs, etc downstream, and foxes, chickens, dogs, etc, in a growing radius? Imagination? Hysteria? Go collect your pay from the EPA, sponsored by Pfizer.
This is literally my career. Google “environmental lab” although these labs have EPA certifications, they aren’t doing the EPA’s bidding. You can call any of these labs and I know Ohio has literally a list of them. Ask for pricing too. It’s not cheap. This is where your water utility debt has 3rd party lab testing performed for water quality. They might not be set up to specifically test for vinyl chloride but they will tell you what they can do. pH measurements of water are cheap and common.
Rooftop, i am within 40 miles of this, In Deerfield Ohio. I havent been as concerned due to having a deepwater well and being upwind, however, if theres a way i could help please message me.
If you could get a sample of the water in Berlin lake, I'd be very interested personally. I would like to get a sample from meander reservoir myself if I can find the time
Uh, Berlin has always been garbage water. I surely hope kids dont go swimming in it this summer because it is going to be royally bad this year.
If you are on a higher topographic area then there shouldn't be a concern about the contaminated water reaching your neck of the woods.
But for those at a similar or lower elevation they should take it more seriously. The way water moves underground is much slower and at larger distances but it is possible that contaminated water could be an issue.
Stand by anon. Your expertise in this area will be needed dearly over the coming days and months.
Berkey's are designed to remove larger contaminants not the very small contaminants.
That is the problem.
Yes but I am talking about really small contaminants. Fluoride anions are not small compared to even smaller contaminants.
Maybe a water distiller & then add minerals/electrolytes?
Not sure if they would cause fumes though.
I would not trust it in this case.
I suggest a quicker test. Let's put DeWine & Crew in a dunk tank of East Palestine water. Early results will be hard to distinguish as he is shriveled to start with but let's try it anyway.
Thank you, rooftoptendie, for digging on behalf of these people. You rock!
I second that thanks!! 👏
I live in an agricultural state and the State University has ground water and soil test labs at a number of their local extensions. At the very least there is a number that you can call and they can probably direct you to an appropriate lab to test for contaminants.
Just saw this comment, and yes. Universities test soil for local gardeners
Has anyone come across a theoretical model of how far these airborne chemicals have spread? I've been looking but haven't found anything.
Doubtful that any official source will publish anything... Hoping a uni group may do something
Sounds like the testing that wine companies use. You have to check for Volatile acids when making wine.
I believe they can test the age of wine by looking at tritium concentrations. But these days most water sources and newer wines will not have high tritium concentrations. This is because nuclear surface testing in the U.S. ended a long time ago.
Thank you u/rooftoptendie, you based anon patriot
Thank you so much for all of this info!
I've used MY TAP SCORE: https://mytapscore.com/ (after the wildfires) Contaminant glossary: https://mytapscore.com/pages/contaminant-glossary They test all sources of water.
Wtf start running away.
Having lost my mother to brain cancer, this is the right move. Get the fuck out of there and move elsewhere, away from the plume.
Important dots connecting here: Our company offered soil testing for pollutants for many years meaning we take dirt samples and send to science lab for analysis. Abruptly, in December of 2021, ALL our usual labs across multiple states stopped offering soil testing for toxins, ALL at the same time. Weird coincidence? Labs have offered soil testing like forever. Suddenly, they all stop. My guess is the deep state is getting ready for intentional chemical spills and environmental "accidents" and they want to make it difficult for the herd to get proof. Remember the gas cloud on the mural at Denver airport.
Test. Then sue the railroad and DEWINE. Sue their asses off
God Bless You rooftop, this is very helpful. In addition, when well tests are performed here in Ohio for a real estate sales transaction, the Realtor involved will set-up the inspection with an inspector. Keep in mind that any inspector must be licensed through the State to be able to perform well (and septic) tests per County. Here is a home inspector that provides well testing in NE Ohio, specifically Columbiana County where East Palestine is located. Northeast Ohio Well Inspections I do know the inspector comes to the home, performs the well test, collects a water sample and sends it to an accredited lab to test for bacteria, lead, nitrites/nitrates. If it were me, I'd call one of my local well inspectors (many are home inspectors too) and ask if either they are willing to do water test or ask which lab they send their samples to for testing to possibly contact lab directly. I know if it were me I would NEVER have the contractor that Norfolk Southern obtained to do my well test.
Ohioan here. Is this the scare event?? Because fuckkk.
https://mytapscore.com/products/volatile-organic-compounds-water-test
This test here seems to indicate that it can detect vinyl chloride. I may order that test and see what happens with our tap water in the Youngstown area. We get our water from meander reservoir
How do you remove vinyl chloride from drinking water? Installation of an in-home activated carbon filter can remove most of the vinyl chloride from water. Using bottled water also will reduce exposure. If you use contaminated water for other uses in the home (i.e. bathing, and washing dishes), ventilate bathrooms, washrooms and kitchens during and after water use.
Google how to detox from vinyl chloride - Ohio putting lots of helpful info out there. Try DeepRootsAtHome: https://deeprootsathome.com/how-to-detox-ohio-train-derailment-toxic-exposure/
Local Universities may offer soil and water testing.
We have a volunteer group here that tests the Shenandoah River in several spots for any kind of pollution. If you have a similar group there, they could probably give you data for the waterways near the derailment. They would probably know if there's anyone doing air and soil testing too.
In Florida the water management districts along with counties, cities and State all do water testing of surface water. As well as water underground (eg confined aquifers) testing.
There are contradicting stories. Either the train was on fire for 20 miles before it crashed or it crashed, and they intentionally set the fire to burn off the liquids.
Thing is, that IS pricey for many in that area
I am not saying that I dont understand that the cost is what it is, but knowing the area very well, that a lot of people there are going to have a HARD time being able to afford testing.
The train was on fire 20 miles before the crash. Then a massive explosion and intense burn. I doubt there was anything left to leak into the soil.
You missed the point about the rain washing down the pollutants into the soil. Yes, it is possible that there are no pollutants left in the air over Ohio, but then it behooves PA or NY residents to get baseline samples.
Questionable handshake alert...
Everything ive stated is fact. Questionable downvote brigade if anything.
The train car was on fire 20 miles before derailment. There was a massive explosion and intense burn. All the chemicals on board are/were very flammable and reactive.
If youve ever set foot in a lab before you would know that reactions use up all available materials.
The hot box was on fire, on the cc video we've all seen, not the train car. "Use up" all available materials, that's awesome. There are still products, amigo, please stop being daft and go pick up a chemistry book. A junior one.
You guys didnt see the pictures of the fire or explosion did you? What possible flammable substance would have been left after that?
There was no explosion, there definitely was a fire they started on purpose, "controlled burn," and there were several cars leaking, especially after their fire. There were more chemicals than just vinyl chloride, by the way. Fire doesn't necessarily consume everything, sometimes it makes new things. Now calm down; if you're not going to help please get out of the way.
From the pictures ive seen there was a fairly large explosion. Typical with the rapid burn of combustibles. So you definitely havent seen all the photos or video clips but still feel like you should voice your opinion as fact, interesting.
Maybe you need to sit down until you've seen all of the photos.
Vinyl chloride is extremely reactive and flammable by the way...
And yes fire makes new things, in the form of a gas, as in smoke. Something that wont leach into the ground.
One explosion doesn't instantly combust multiple tons through multiple train cars. If nothing leaked, not leached, you basic little genius, what is still killing fish, frogs, etc downstream, and foxes, chickens, dogs, etc, in a growing radius? Imagination? Hysteria? Go collect your pay from the EPA, sponsored by Pfizer.
You mean the rain that came after it all instantly evaporated into a mushroom cloud?
You missed the 3 days in between derailment and the controlled burn.
Except it was on fire on the way to the crash site...guess you missed that...
Clear video of it on its way with fire rolling in one of the train cars 20 miles before derailment.
I read that too. But I thought they said they set the fire intentionally because the boiling liquids were spewing everywhere.