People are insane. Nothing is bread into them they are severely abused until they do what the people want. People are doing this to the dogs the dogs themselves are beautiful animals but mistreatment leads to attacks.
Are you seriously going to argue that there is no genetic component to insanity? It's "bred" btw; lack of attention to detail weakens your argument (or might just make you look like a dumbass).
A few years ago, a woman in NYC had taken her two pits for their business. She had owned them since birth. They mauled her to death on the landing of her apartment while she was unlocking the apartment door.
Would you want pups bred from these two around your kids?
If anyone here wonders about the balance between nature and nurture, take a look at studies of identical twins raised apart. Twins that never knew each other exhibit striking similarities despite being in vastly different living situations.
As a father of identical twins, it is of interest to me.
You can decide at any time where to point a gun or when to pull a trigger. You can't do that with a dog. I know you're a reasonable guy. Think it over.
So you admit the potential to be a violent killer is there. I don't think most dog owners would do that. A creature that is insane is completely unpredictable which is why we get so many stories of crazy dogs killing and maiming kids. You can't train a psychopath to be a "good boy".
As I said in my other post… the ONLY dog to be trained to be non human aggressive, is the pit bull. Fighting dogs attack dogs, not people. That’s what’s trained in them. And that doesn’t pass through blood. Just because your scared of them is your problem. Pits are the nicest dogs I’ve ever seen/had. They will be whatever you want then to be.
When I grew up I knew no one with a Pit Bull! Never heard of such a dog until much later and now everyone has one. They are a cross breed between bulldogs and terriers - correct me if I’m wrong here.
When the Bible says “like kind” animals are to breed with “like kind” there is a reason God stated this...let me give you some examples...
A Liger = cross breed between a Lion and a Tiger. Yes! Look it up...they exist, but only in zoos. Because they are a cross breed, they are very angry animals and in the animal kingdom, the Lions and Tigers will kill them. They know they don’t belong there. They are extinct in the wild for that reason. They only way they can exist if they are protected in a zoo.
A mule is a cross breed between a horse and donkey. Mules can’t reproduce or have offspring naturally. Because they are a cross breed - a mistake. This is God’s doing for a reason. You weaken the animal kingdom by cross breeding.
In the Bible God tells us not to cross breed but we do it anyway. The animal kingdom was designed by God. But yet we do it....this is the result. We get breeds that shouldn’t exist. We create weaker breeds with problems and issues that requires more surgeries and drugs to prop up Big Pharma. These are man made issues we created...God Warned Us!
Leviticus 19: 19-28 Do not mate two different kinds of animals
They don’t want to you know this info...but God didn’t design wicked and unpredictable dogs. Pit Bulls are man made.
Once you begin to understand man has corrupted and gone against Gods Word on just about everything...you know THIS IS BIBLICAL!
You realize then. That your making the argument for eliminating All Domestic Dog breeds then?
Because Surprise, Surprise. None of them are natural and by extension created by God. All are the products of human intervention.
I don’t really have a stake in or care about the Pit Bull argument. But this isn’t anywhere near as strong an argument as you seem to think it is for the point your trying to make.
Not all domestic dog breed are mutts. There are pure bloods which were created by God. There is a famous show with them. And how can you tell a pure blood from a mutt? Ask a breeder. When you cross breed, you don’t know exactly how you weaken the breed, but it’s weakened. This is true of not only animals but plants too. For plants it’s GMO....
Just connecting dots for people, because this goes much deeper and it’s all Biblical....
They look homely, but they are unpredictable and aggressive. Who does that sound like? Therefore the Animal kingdom Lions and Tigers will kill them. They simply cannot survive. They are not natural. You won’t find any Ligers living in the wild. We studied this topic in a philosophy class I had in college back in 1980s. We came to the conclusion these cross breeds (and there are more) that happen in the wild are taken out by Gods design, as not to disrupt the animal kingdom. Could you imagine such a topic in colleges today...back then we had critical thinking.
Today you couldn’t mention God or they would be offended the Liger is killed, so let’s protect them in a zoo. Ugh...
Cross breeds of Dogs are no different...it’s all about the mixing of the DNA.
My personal experience after having spoken with several trainers and dog show types and Breeders when looking for a Pet. General consensus was. Pits were good as Guard Dogs. Not necessarily ideal as family pets. Though they kind of danced around a definitive answer. I guess due to the sensitive nature of the subject.
One guy however noted that some of the difficulty and confusion is the prevalence of Mutts that resemble Pits and often are labeled as such by shelters. Even though they may only have a little in them. Giving a false impression of the breed’s suitability as a family pet. Ala a family believing they’re adopting a Pit. When in reality it’s a Mutt that’s mostly Lab/Collie or some other mix of family/child friendly breeds.
Though the same guy also said “Never rule out training either. Just because the owner or family insists the dog was well trained, and well behaved doesn’t mean it’s true.”
There’s been about a century or more of poor breeding in there between now and then. Enough bad breeding+switching to Breeding for different traits can completely screw over a breed. At least until someone or a group of someone’s. Cares enough to try and breed the other traits out of the line. Which is a fairly lengthy commitment most people don’t have the time or resources for these days.
Not to mention technically speaking Pit Bull at least in modern vernacular is a catch-all for several breeds that are similar in ascetic appearance. But different in other fashions including temperament.
To add to my comments...The Alaskan Malamute is a powerful sled dog. They would never cross breed these beautiful strong dogs, as they would become weaker. Now you know why there are pure breeds and the importance of keeping every animal pure.
Animals that are not pure have defects or issues. It’s what any form of cross breeding does - it weakens the IQ in what that dog was designed for.
I never said mutts were not smart...that’s a surface statement.
This requires critical thinking....
I’m trying to get people to connect dots...because inbreeding of animals and GMO of our plants for food goes much deeper...
DNA matters and is the critical component to everything.
It’s in the Bible.
By that logic. Domestic Dogs shouldn’t exist. Because they were bred from Wolves and by extension aren’t “pure” anymore. Or did you think breeds like the Malamute existed naturally from day 1?
You want MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION? Are you SERIOUS? The owner is already liable for any injuries or damages caused by their pet "running wild in the streets". If you're that panicked by what your neighbors are doing, maybe you should move to the woods, where you can spend all day worrying about wolves and coyotes.
I agree! They “public officials” absolutely look the other way and have not done one thing about this breed. If you notice, many people will say this dog was raised in a loving home and never exhibited any attack before. The dog just snapped. This is a DNA problem and they know it. This is a DNA war...Satan loves it when children are maimed or killed by pets. It’s exactly why they won’t do anything about it. I appreciate those that can see past the fact nothing has been done for years about this. And only more and more people get this breed.
I’ve never bought the excuse that terrible owners own these dogs which is why they attack humans. Too many families have proven time and time again even raising them in good homes, the dog can still snap.
Pit bulls can be sweet dogs, I've met a few. At the same time though the only dog to ever attack me in my own yard for no damn reason was an escaped pit bull. Started carrying a gun while mowing after that incident.
If animals can be domesticated, then someone fucked up with pitbulls and they regressed. It's like turning your back on a wild cat that's "domesticated".
They make up 5.8% of the population but do 65% of all murder. Sounds familiar lol
Pit Bulls are, were, also the only dogs to be trained non human aggressive. They didn’t attack the people in the ring. They were taught to attack other dogs. A pit bulls main ability is be the best at whatever you want then to be. They can run faster, jump higher, out pull, out everything if they are trained to. That is their nature. To be the best. It’s just a shame terrible owners get these dogs. Such good animals.
They are insane. It's bred into them. Trust them at your peril. Do not under any circumstance allow the around your children. Fuck your downvotes.
People are insane. Nothing is bread into them they are severely abused until they do what the people want. People are doing this to the dogs the dogs themselves are beautiful animals but mistreatment leads to attacks.
Are you seriously going to argue that there is no genetic component to insanity? It's "bred" btw; lack of attention to detail weakens your argument (or might just make you look like a dumbass).
...there is certainly a genetic component to insanity...
...the degree of its manifestation is exacerbated by the environment the being is subjected to...
A few years ago, a woman in NYC had taken her two pits for their business. She had owned them since birth. They mauled her to death on the landing of her apartment while she was unlocking the apartment door.
Would you want pups bred from these two around your kids?
...whether it is canines or guns....
...good people commit good acts with them...
...evil people commit evil acts with them...
Dogs are autonomous.
Guns arent.
"Guns dont kill people, people kill people" doesn't apply here.
...it is how one trains the creature that dictates its behavior....
...whether it is a human or a beast, the environment in the formative years decides its future...
Absolutely false. Genetics define behavior in mammals way more than nurture ever could.
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If anyone here wonders about the balance between nature and nurture, take a look at studies of identical twins raised apart. Twins that never knew each other exhibit striking similarities despite being in vastly different living situations.
As a father of identical twins, it is of interest to me.
GC
...there are no absolutes...
You can decide at any time where to point a gun or when to pull a trigger. You can't do that with a dog. I know you're a reasonable guy. Think it over.
You can choose whether or not to train a dog to be a good boy or a violent killer
So you admit the potential to be a violent killer is there. I don't think most dog owners would do that. A creature that is insane is completely unpredictable which is why we get so many stories of crazy dogs killing and maiming kids. You can't train a psychopath to be a "good boy".
As I said in my other post… the ONLY dog to be trained to be non human aggressive, is the pit bull. Fighting dogs attack dogs, not people. That’s what’s trained in them. And that doesn’t pass through blood. Just because your scared of them is your problem. Pits are the nicest dogs I’ve ever seen/had. They will be whatever you want then to be.
Any living creature has the potential to be a violent killer. But we don't ban guns for the sake of it. Likewise we shouldn't ban pit bulls.
When I grew up I knew no one with a Pit Bull! Never heard of such a dog until much later and now everyone has one. They are a cross breed between bulldogs and terriers - correct me if I’m wrong here.
When the Bible says “like kind” animals are to breed with “like kind” there is a reason God stated this...let me give you some examples...
A Liger = cross breed between a Lion and a Tiger. Yes! Look it up...they exist, but only in zoos. Because they are a cross breed, they are very angry animals and in the animal kingdom, the Lions and Tigers will kill them. They know they don’t belong there. They are extinct in the wild for that reason. They only way they can exist if they are protected in a zoo.
A mule is a cross breed between a horse and donkey. Mules can’t reproduce or have offspring naturally. Because they are a cross breed - a mistake. This is God’s doing for a reason. You weaken the animal kingdom by cross breeding.
In the Bible God tells us not to cross breed but we do it anyway. The animal kingdom was designed by God. But yet we do it....this is the result. We get breeds that shouldn’t exist. We create weaker breeds with problems and issues that requires more surgeries and drugs to prop up Big Pharma. These are man made issues we created...God Warned Us!
Leviticus 19: 19-28 Do not mate two different kinds of animals
They don’t want to you know this info...but God didn’t design wicked and unpredictable dogs. Pit Bulls are man made.
Once you begin to understand man has corrupted and gone against Gods Word on just about everything...you know THIS IS BIBLICAL!
You realize then. That your making the argument for eliminating All Domestic Dog breeds then?
Because Surprise, Surprise. None of them are natural and by extension created by God. All are the products of human intervention.
I don’t really have a stake in or care about the Pit Bull argument. But this isn’t anywhere near as strong an argument as you seem to think it is for the point your trying to make.
Not all domestic dog breed are mutts. There are pure bloods which were created by God. There is a famous show with them. And how can you tell a pure blood from a mutt? Ask a breeder. When you cross breed, you don’t know exactly how you weaken the breed, but it’s weakened. This is true of not only animals but plants too. For plants it’s GMO.... Just connecting dots for people, because this goes much deeper and it’s all Biblical....
They look homely, but they are unpredictable and aggressive. Who does that sound like? Therefore the Animal kingdom Lions and Tigers will kill them. They simply cannot survive. They are not natural. You won’t find any Ligers living in the wild. We studied this topic in a philosophy class I had in college back in 1980s. We came to the conclusion these cross breeds (and there are more) that happen in the wild are taken out by Gods design, as not to disrupt the animal kingdom. Could you imagine such a topic in colleges today...back then we had critical thinking.
Today you couldn’t mention God or they would be offended the Liger is killed, so let’s protect them in a zoo. Ugh... Cross breeds of Dogs are no different...it’s all about the mixing of the DNA.
I would like to see pitbulls, dobermans, and rottweilers allowed to become extinct.
My personal experience after having spoken with several trainers and dog show types and Breeders when looking for a Pet. General consensus was. Pits were good as Guard Dogs. Not necessarily ideal as family pets. Though they kind of danced around a definitive answer. I guess due to the sensitive nature of the subject.
One guy however noted that some of the difficulty and confusion is the prevalence of Mutts that resemble Pits and often are labeled as such by shelters. Even though they may only have a little in them. Giving a false impression of the breed’s suitability as a family pet. Ala a family believing they’re adopting a Pit. When in reality it’s a Mutt that’s mostly Lab/Collie or some other mix of family/child friendly breeds.
Though the same guy also said “Never rule out training either. Just because the owner or family insists the dog was well trained, and well behaved doesn’t mean it’s true.”
...I have a book from the 1800's titled "Cyclopedia Of Dogs"....
...each breed has a "personality nickname/description" ...
...for the American Pit Bull Terrier the nickname is "The Canine Nanny"....
...the article went on to describe the characteristics of a Pitty, especially how good they were around children...
...the downside of its personality was," it was useless as a watchdog"...
There’s been about a century or more of poor breeding in there between now and then. Enough bad breeding+switching to Breeding for different traits can completely screw over a breed. At least until someone or a group of someone’s. Cares enough to try and breed the other traits out of the line. Which is a fairly lengthy commitment most people don’t have the time or resources for these days.
Not to mention technically speaking Pit Bull at least in modern vernacular is a catch-all for several breeds that are similar in ascetic appearance. But different in other fashions including temperament.
This is correct.
To add to my comments...The Alaskan Malamute is a powerful sled dog. They would never cross breed these beautiful strong dogs, as they would become weaker. Now you know why there are pure breeds and the importance of keeping every animal pure. Animals that are not pure have defects or issues. It’s what any form of cross breeding does - it weakens the IQ in what that dog was designed for.
Then why are mutts so smart?
I never said mutts were not smart...that’s a surface statement. This requires critical thinking.... I’m trying to get people to connect dots...because inbreeding of animals and GMO of our plants for food goes much deeper... DNA matters and is the critical component to everything. It’s in the Bible.
By that logic. Domestic Dogs shouldn’t exist. Because they were bred from Wolves and by extension aren’t “pure” anymore. Or did you think breeds like the Malamute existed naturally from day 1?
Inbreeding creates problems is all I’m saying...it’s in the Bible...is this case with Pit Bulls?
The people who want to get rid of pitbulls are the same people who want to take your guns. Stop being so afraid of everything!
You want MORE GOVERNMENT REGULATION? Are you SERIOUS? The owner is already liable for any injuries or damages caused by their pet "running wild in the streets". If you're that panicked by what your neighbors are doing, maybe you should move to the woods, where you can spend all day worrying about wolves and coyotes.
Your sense of humor perked me up ,, and true !
u/#howl
I agree! They “public officials” absolutely look the other way and have not done one thing about this breed. If you notice, many people will say this dog was raised in a loving home and never exhibited any attack before. The dog just snapped. This is a DNA problem and they know it. This is a DNA war...Satan loves it when children are maimed or killed by pets. It’s exactly why they won’t do anything about it. I appreciate those that can see past the fact nothing has been done for years about this. And only more and more people get this breed.
I’ve never bought the excuse that terrible owners own these dogs which is why they attack humans. Too many families have proven time and time again even raising them in good homes, the dog can still snap.
Pit bulls can be sweet dogs, I've met a few. At the same time though the only dog to ever attack me in my own yard for no damn reason was an escaped pit bull. Started carrying a gun while mowing after that incident.
Pit bulls were not born to fight they are born the same as any other dog. They are taught to fight and a pitbul that is mistreated will bite period.
If animals can be domesticated, then someone fucked up with pitbulls and they regressed. It's like turning your back on a wild cat that's "domesticated".
They make up 5.8% of the population but do 65% of all murder. Sounds familiar lol
...one final note...
..."Petey" on the Little Rascals was a bully....
No, they’re just dogs.
Pit Bulls are, were, also the only dogs to be trained non human aggressive. They didn’t attack the people in the ring. They were taught to attack other dogs. A pit bulls main ability is be the best at whatever you want then to be. They can run faster, jump higher, out pull, out everything if they are trained to. That is their nature. To be the best. It’s just a shame terrible owners get these dogs. Such good animals.