I used to dismiss https://www.ingersolllockwood.com/ but now I think it could be hugely important.
Used to think "it's all part of the show" was exaggerated and silly, but now I find myself wondering if white hats have their hand in nearly every major news story.
Going the other way...
I'm embarrassed to admit I followed Lin Wood during the first part of 2021. Now certain he's a fraud.
Until late last year I was convinced the military was about to roll in anytime a big story broke. Now I see that sort of thinking as counterproductive hopium that leads only to chronic letdown and fatigue.
If this thread catches on I'll come up with more.
As a Mechanical Engineer, I used to think chem trails were complete BS. I was incorrectly assuming that all jet fuel would've had chemical additives included which would combust upon ignition. To me, the quickly disappearing vapor trails were proof that nothing nefarious was added.
Little did I know that entire planes with sprayers were actually outfitted to disperse this poison over us.
I was banned from GAW for mentioning xhemtrails. I’ll leave the spelling there. I don’t want to be banned again. It really got to me, I’m embarrassed to say.
Hey welcome back!
Thank you!
I've never seen anyone here get banned just for mentioning chemtrails.
For ranting incoherently about them, yes. For refusing to acknowledge that contrails are a normal phenomenon resulting from water vapor condensing on the wings of a plane, yes.
Well, this is what happened. There was a stickied post regarding staying on the topic of Q. It said something to the effect of ‘we don’t want flat earthers , chemfags, etc. I commented that I disagreed with the chemtrail thing as I see them almost very day. I didn’t provide proof. Catsfive said it was low effort and banned me. He/she could’ve asked me for proof. Instead-instant ban. I then sent proof and waited. And waited. Then another mod let me know that catsfive went on vacation. I sent more proof. Catsfive sent back ww2 pics of the old smoke curtains they sprayed in the war. After about three weeks, after I’d pretty much given up hope, I see three notifications. They all say I’m reinstated. No apology, no affirmation that I sent valid proof, nothing. So, I was pissed. I still didn’t comment here for another couple of weeks. I can’t believe how freaking regulated it is here. So, that’s what happened. Pretty rough for a simple disagreement over something I see people comment here about all the time.
Have to pick your battles.
Sounds like that post wasn't the place to have that argument. You made yourself an example of exactly what C5 was warning about.
It's supposed to get to you, frog.
And with everything I sent to you, catsfive, I still haven’t heard that maybe you were misinformed about chemtrails.
Apparently he can’t just look up and use his eyes
He is a petty censor, who shuts down anything he doesn't personally agree with. Very pathetic and harmful to the furthering of truth.
That's why I tell people "not all contrails are chemtrails." All jet engines at high altitude will produce contrails and those quickly disperse behind the plane as it crosses the sky, it's the trails that are persistent that are suspicious.
I was in a shopping mall parking lot for a few hours waiting for an appointment. I watched multiple planes crossing paths leaving a grid of 'contrails' in the sky.
I went to my appointment for about an hour and a half. When I came out, the 'contrails' had coalesced creating a single mat in the sky. Contrails don't do that.
I grew up in Nebraska and I've seen hundreds of contrails of commercial and military planes crossing over. Redl contrails do not persist.
I've also heard many sonic booms before they were stopped.
What you described happens here in northern NV very often. I live 30+/-miles from the Top Gun Naval base. I know the difference between contrails and chemtrails. Oh well. I’m more worried about how much the prayers here have been affected. I’ve noticed the camaraderie is dimmed. Prayer circles used to be strong and effective here. Not so much now. It was a prayer that pulled me back into the comments!
My family members have said the same thing.
I say the same thing.
When I lived in Phoenix, the day would start out with a beautiful blue clear sky. Then the trails would muddy it up. I've seen a satanic star, trails that had round blobs in them and criss crosses that lingered for awhile.
The next day I would be in the worst mood for no logical reason. The first few times that happened I thought, "that's bullshit. Stop it. It's not chemtrails." But, it happened everytime.
Thankfully, I'm now in an area where I don't see them anymore. I only see the jets that are really high in altitude and their trails dissipate pretty quickly. And, the sky remains a beautiful blue.
There is such thing as a legitimate persistent contrail. The problem is they used to be much rarer than dissipating trails but now they are much more common.
More planes = more contrails.
They persist for varying lengths of time depending on weather conditions at altitude.
But one would expect the ratio of persistent to dissipating to be reasonably consistent. It may or may not be aerosols. It could be a secret high-flying drone fleet that flies in the "always persistent trails" area of the appleman chart.
How can I DM you? I’ll send you some stuff and then explain it away. Look up Ginger Zee, the meteorologist from abc news. As of her post on Twitter at the end of April, there are at least 42 geoengineering programs active in the west right now.
Also an ME and I agree with the sprayers...I lived in Texas at the time and there was ALWAYS chem trails over our area and later found out it extended up through to Oklahoma, Kansas, and Missouri...WOWZA!!!
AND THERE IT IS.
Want to hear something funny, I have a journalism degree from the best school in the United States how far I would get if I walk around soon, "WELL, as a professional journalist"...
Soooo, since you are educated, how many chemtrail flights per day are required to account for four persistent chemtrans above 30,000 chemtrail believers houses come on five continents, everyday? 2000? 5,000? Are they commercial airlines, or military, or what? How come we have no photos of these aircraft??
Could it be that your belief and chemtrails comes from the fact that you are a mechanical engineer and not a meteorologist? Meteorology is weird. Persistent Chemtrails will be persistent until the atmosphere that they are in changes pressure or humidity, period. They contrail suddenly disappearing like they do happens when the jet suddenly penetrates into a new block of air that has change in the humidity or temperature of the air the plane is flying through. If it moves into drier or warmer air, the ice crystals can evaporate, causing the contrail to abruptly stop. So, it's more about the airplane changing its location relative to the weather conditions rather than anything happening to the plane itself.
Yes, there are walls of extremely different air just waiting up there that you can't see. They are the lines on the weather maps that we call fronts.
We run into this effect sometimes when we are swimming, have you ever been swimming in a lake and suddenly your feet are just freezing? You feel like you could walk on the water down there, it's so different, so dense feeling. That's because it's a totally different temperature and maybe even a different salinity, for instance, it might have a totally different silt load in it that could cause it to basically operate like its own layer of water. This is the reason why Lakes up here in Canada look green or blue like they do, it has to do with this sudden difference making it function kind of like a lens to the light that hits the lake. I know that doesn't sound like an explanation for contrails but that's what you're seeing here with this airplane. He's very suddenly passing into a different layer...
What these chemtrail clips roaming around the internet is that we have too many mechanical engineers and not enough polymaths, people with the logical reasoning capability to reason THIS: If these airplanes are flying and leaving persistent trails (but sometimes flying and NOT doing so), this means that they would have to have the ability to control the chemtrails, but the spray still comes out of the engine nozzle? We have to follow this logic down. If that's the case, then it's not in the jet fuel. Yet we all we see contrails coming from the engines. This would require the equipment to the inside the engine. This means that Pratt and Whitney, Rolls-Royce, GE, CFM (they make all the 737 engines we see here, WestJet, etc), all these manufacturers are in on it.
That's 250,000 people
And so it goes. The conspiracy makes no sense, but once someone "snsrt" believes it, it's really hard to get past the cutsie "don't believe your lying eyes" logic they have that drives it.
There is periodic spraying of something going on. I would not call it chemtrails because I don't want to use CIA psyop language. The planes are military, appear to be turbofan powered and the spray nozzles appear to be attached to the wings near the engines. They do not appear to be IN the engines. In my area it typically takes 6 airplanes doing a single passes to create a checkerboard sort of pattern. The end result of the spraying appears to be accelerated cloud formation. Unclear if they are doing cloud-seeding or something else.
Whatever is being sprayed starts out very condensed and then it disperses gradually to the point where the original spray path is no longer visible. It appears to take about 2 hours of very slow, fairly high altitude, likely above 30k feet for the planes to complete their mission. These are not commercial flights or at least they are NOT shown as commercial flights on plane trackers. Some of the planes show up as military on ADS-B, but type of aircraft sometimes does not match what I'm seeing. The operations appear to occur during the week, and on crystal clear days the planes are not noticed until late morning after 8am. I rarely see them operating on Sunday.
OK, so 1)why NO photos, 2) how does this answer any of the lar major issues I'm raising, and 3) so it's not commercial jets?
I don’t want to dox myself and telescopic camera is best for useful pics which I don’t have, telescope only at the moment,
Your issues are valid. Addressing the engine thing: it appears the spray is getting sprayed into the high thrust exhaust for maximum velocity dispersion. It does not look like it is going through the engine, and injecting from inside engine would interfere with combustion process and/or reduce thrust by lower temperature delta required for thrust of the last turbine stages,
Planes appear to be military gray livery, likely Air Force. They look like 4x turbofan engine refueling tanker planes to me which are all derived from commercial jet designs.
I am still studying what is going on. I don’t think the planes are the only source of potential contaminants, and I am skeptical it is a constant, continuous thing. It appears to be periodic and geographically targeted. “Chem-trails” is likely not really an accurate description as various things may be getting dispersed and the dispersal mechanism (some sort of fluid) is not necessarily the payload.
I've been employed as a hands-on ME for 30 years and with the same large industrial company for 25. I don't claim to be a meteorologist or completely understand how molecules of anything released high into the atmosphere will settle on the ground and where. Like you explained, I do understand that there are different atmospheric currents (felt as turbulence on planes) and varying pressures and temperatures (nice lake analogy). Yes, contrails are dependent on the many various conditions in the atmosphere.
I agree with you that the combustion turbines (also included in my employers portfolio) are NOT fitted to dispense any spray or chemical. It's hard enough to keep the turbines running long periods without adding more variables & chemicals to their internals.
Other than cloud seeding (which I think is also risky and unnecessary) and fire fighting, I don't see a legitimate reason to outfit planes with the ability to spray anything over our heads.
🟢 Using turbine engines to dispense chems - NOT LIKELY
🟢 Using sprayers to dispense chemicals - Quite possible given the many evil things we KNOW gubmint is doing to the people of the world.
I am 72...I have lived a long time in different areas of the country and I have seen MANY skies...I KNOW what I have seen in the last 5-10 years is unlike ANYTHING I have EVER seen in my entire life...I am just an ordinary human being with two eyes...beyond that...I don't know what to tell you...
You've lived 72 years. Now describe the changes in aviation over that history. Were planes flying nonstop from Perth to London, from Sydney to New York, NON-STOP, when you were a teenager? Or were people travelling by jet by the MILLIONS (there were 38.9 million FLIGHTS in 2019) when you were a teenager?
No, but somehow, none of this enters into your thinking. It's just "Oh well, muh chemtrails, hurr durr."
I also don't know what to tell you. 🙄
touche...but what if they are real???????
I may be wrong, and he did not answer, but I assumed when he said disappear he didn't mean end abruptly behind the plane as it traveled.
I think what he was referring to was actually how some disipate quickly verses some linger for a long time.
Air and water stratify on temperature. That could account for why some contrails last a long time and others seem to disperse quickly. I haven't bought into the chemtrail thing, nor totally dismissed it. I suspect it might just be another FE type diversion to make us look like idiots. I just don't know enough about those type things to make a call, yet.
At cruise, planes get stacked generally from flight level 29 - 39. That's 10k feet of the stratosphere, and we can see levels with conditions that allow trails to persist stacked on layers that don't, plus a lot of 'roiling' or mixing between the layers that create boundaries which would allow the stop and start behaviour all the time.
Must feel like you're beating your head against a wall at times.
Most of these chemtrail comments are pure cringe.
These people don't reason. This is an elite research board. These people seem to have gotten lost on their way to their bleacher seats. The mod team has no problem moving them to the sidelines where they belong.