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VIDEO: Ukraine Troops SURRENDER en-masse; WHITE FLAGS on Tanks (July 30th) (halturnerradioshow.com) 🔍 Notable
posted 2 years ago by MuckeyDuck 2 years ago by MuckeyDuck +123 / -1
VIDEO: Ukraine Troops SURRENDER en-masse; WHITE FLAGS on Tanks
Hundreds of Ukrainian troops, displaying white flags on their tanks and infantry vehicles, surrendered en-masse to Russia today. More and more...
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– lovecymru 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

Praise God! I don’t want to see anyone sent to the slaughter for the cabal/KM

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Did you see this video of Victor Orban speaking about war. He sounds much like Trump.

  1. Saving lives should be out goal (what trump said)
  2. There is no chance that Russia will be defeated. (what everyone knows)

https://twitter.com/Judgenap/status/1664298545778769925

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– LakotaPride 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Glad to see people waking up and not dying for these Globalists any longer. Here is a video to support your thread what Biden and the Pentagon along with Corporate MSM is claiming winning. They are all exposed in their lies and all Glory to God for exposing the truth.

https://rumble.com/v334iqh-heroic-standoff-russian-tank-takes-on-and-destroys-two-ukrainian-tanks-and-.html

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Man I sure would hate to serve in a tank crew. It's like a steel coffin.

The WWII Sherman tank was call a coffin on wheels or more appropriately a Ronson, like the cigarette lighter, because “it lights up the first time, every time", because unlike most tanks that ran diesel, the Sherman ran on gasoline.

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– bigsix 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Right, and it was totally outclassed by the German tanks it was pitted against. Sherman tankers had to use stealth and strategy to go up against a German Tiger

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

And numbers. But still some historical perspectives are very critical of Patton for pushing for a gas powered tank as being responsible for outright murder.

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– stevethefish76 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

My late grandfather was a tank mechanic under Patton in France. He told stories of night raids on the Germans to steal their gas. Those superior tanks were useless if they couldn't move them. Once the Axis lost North Africa, from that point on it was a war of attrition since they were unable to obtain the oil fields of Russia.

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– ancroidubh 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Almost all armored vehicles in WWII used gasoline engines. A few US Sherman’s (M4A2 and M4A6) were diesel powered.

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I thought the German Panzer tanks were diesel like the majority of Russian tanks but see that they were gasoline too.

In the matter of the Russian armor, it was quantity over quality, but it seemed to pay off at a very high cost to human life.

During the Battle of Kursk Russia lost more men than all other belligerent nations did on all fronts. A football stadiums worth of men every week, and every three months more men than the U.S. did during the whole war.

My dad was in Coast Guard during WWII. Had American, European - Africa - Mideast, and Asia Pacific patches during WWII, but mostly fought in Pacific attached to the First Marine Divsion. He drove a landing craft during Guadalcanal, Battle of Tulagi and Gavutu-Tanambogo, Florida Islands campaign.

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– ancroidubh 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Stalin once said that “quantity has a quality all its own”.

The actor Eddie Albert was a coastie who resigned to accept a reserve commission in the Navy. He commanded a landing craft at Tarawa and was awarded the Bronze Star with the “V” device for valor for rescuing and supervising the rescue of over 70 Marines. He probably should have been awarded the Navy Cross for that.

Lloyd Bridges and both of his sons also served in the Coast Guard and the Auxiliary.

My Pop was recalled to the Army in May of 1941. He had already completed an NG term by then. He served stateside for over five years training medics and medical technicians.

“Bless ‘em all”,

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

My father almost never spoke about his war time , and he never wanted any recognition one on one or otherwise. He did tell me one time that when you got out he could have gotten about anything he wanted. He and another fellow re-boarded and saved a ship, not one below, that was evacuated and sinking. He said they ask him, "what do you want", and said I want to go home, and that was it.

He did get two bronze stars with presidential unit citations, The Guadalcanal patch that he got was the only patch I ever heard him mention.

Here is his ship after it was torpedoed. Pretty amazing it did not sink.

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– ancroidubh 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Pop’s youngest brother was a 3/5 Marine, Peleliu, Kwajalein and Okinawa. I was privileged to live next door to him for sixteen years; he would talk to me and his son about the war but not to anyone else.

My two grandmothers sent six boys off to the war and got them all back safe. It was miraculous.

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

What a great connection to history. I bet he had some great stories, and not all of them good.

I bet you grandmothers were praying women. Would be hard to have six sons off in war and not be.

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– deleted 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0
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– Greekish 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Possibly wishful thinking?

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20230731-debunked-ukrainian-soldiers-surrendering-en-masse-prisoner-exchange

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0
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– Nurarihyon_no_MAGA 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

Nobody wants to die anymore for the evil cause:

defending human trafficking, bioweapons production, and the Resident's crack addicted son's buisness.

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– b472113 6 points 2 years ago +7 / -1

Looks like it might be a prisoner exchange. Looks like rows of soldiers going both ways.

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– deleted 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0
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– Greekish 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20230731-debunked-ukrainian-soldiers-surrendering-en-masse-prisoner-exchange

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– Sadness 4 points 2 years ago +5 / -1

Wow! Seeing is believing. Not sure if one could fake that video. However, is that not a prisoner exchange? There are people walking in both directions.

I cannot find confirmation elsewhere, but I did find this:

The footage was taken more than a month ago when the paramilitary Wagner Group, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, exchanged prisoners of war with Ukraine. A Telegram post that included a video of Prigozhin speaking to exchanged soldiers, was posted on May 26, 2023, on an official Wagner Telegram channel. The post includes Russian text (translated via Deepl) states "Exchange of prisoners 25.05.23 Statement by E. V. Prigozhin."

I see media is painting Turner as "Far-right", neo-nazi, holocaust denier, etc. etc.

So questioning the interpretation, not the video.

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Someone else made the claim that it was prisoner exchange. I ask them for proof, a dated story about it, and not gotten reply. Also look for myself, and can't find any thing that shows it was prisoner exchange. Does not mean it's not that, but why would you have surrender flags if it was prisoner exchange.

I can find no display of white flag ever being displayed during prison swap. I can find pictures of other swaps, but no white flag.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/santafenewmexican.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/55/5553a930-5437-5759-a8ee-20989644b5b3/549e12a41ce1b.image.jpg

https://www.timeturk.com/en/ukraine-russia-swap-prisoners-amid-ongoing-war/news-57355

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– HOSEQ 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

The Ukrainian Soldiers have been Surrendering to Russians for about three months now....

It started when the Ukrainians started their Open Draft, or Conscription of men on the streets....

It's a ""Sure, I'll take a rifle and go to the front"", but when they get there, they grab a radio and give up in groups....

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– Sadness 1 point 2 years ago +2 / -1

Agreed, but this video is not evidence of that. There are columns of people walking in both directions.

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– HOSEQ 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Still, I see lots of white flags....

If you have Telegram App, you could reach out to someone like ""Intel Slava Z"", and ask about it....

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– DeathRayDesigner 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

A white flag is a flag of truce, not a flag of surrender. One side may invoke a truce in order to negotiate terms of surrender. A truce would also apply during a prisoner exchange.

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I suppose if they were surrendering they would "throw in the towel", although it would have to be a fairly big towel to see it from any distance.

But on a serious note: If anything I am guilty of using terms loosely.

The idiom, "Raising the white flag", can have a inferred, accepted or popular meaning, and a legal meaning which according to the conclusion of link at bottom is in need of firm definition.

Some states explicitly recognize "Raising the White Flag" as a symbol of surrender, and some states do not.

France's Manual on the Law of Armed Conflict explains that ‘[a]n intention to surrender must be clearly expressed; by raising hands, throwing down weapons or waving a white flag’.

Dominican Republic's Military Manual accepts that once a white flag is waved this signals an intent to surrender.

The United States, for example, claims that ‘waving a white flag technically is not a sign of surrender, but signals a desire to negotiate and that ‘the hoisting of a white flag has no other legal meaning in the law of war’.

Canada's Code of Conduct states that ‘the showing of a white flag is not necessarily an expression of an intent to surrender’. The Teaching Manual for the armed forces of Côte d'Ivoire also explains that ‘the white flag is used to indicate the intention to negotiate and to protect the persons who negotiate. It does not necessarily indicate – as it is often believed – an intention to surrender’

International Humanitarian Law Databases ICRC (What we use to call Geneva Convention) Rule 58. Improper Use of the White Flag of Truce Definition Improper use refers to any use other than that for which the flag of truce was intended, namely a request to communicate, for example, in order to negotiate a cease-fire or to surrender.[13] Any other use, for example, to gain a military advantage over the enemy, is improper and unlawful.

Guidance on how a person expresses an intention to surrender is provided by the Official Commentary to Article 41(2) of Additional Protocol I:Footnote 99

In land warfare … a soldier who wishes to indicate that he is no longer capable of engaging in combat, or that he intends to cease combat, lays down his arms and raises his hands. Another way is to ceasefire, wave a white flag and emerge from a shelter with hands raised … If he is surprised, a combatant can raise his arms to indicate that he is surrendering, even though he may still be carrying weapons.

ICRC commentary to Rule 47 which, after citing ‘many military manuals’, explains that ‘[i]n land warfare, a clear intention to surrender is generally shown by laying down one's weapons and raising one's hands or by ‘displaying a white flag.

See Conclusion here.

I know this is TMI but what the hell.

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– b472113 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

FWIW this site says prisoner exchange. https://observers.france24.com/en/europe/20230731-debunked-ukrainian-soldiers-surrendering-en-masse-prisoner-exchange

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I'll buy that, although I don't trust fact checking sites to tell the truth. In the video you link to it clearly show one line of people going on way, and the other opposite way.

A small error the Telegraph makes is to say a white flag typically represents a neutral area. I just read extensively about the meaning of a white flag in individual state military code and international code, and find no reference to it being used to represent a "neutral area."

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/israel-law-review/article/rule-of-surrender-in-international-humanitarian-law/714B1EAB954811EB2907A046EA069504

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule58

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– Sadness 2 points 2 years ago +3 / -1

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1690756815244975.jpg

From a thread on this very topic: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/436336808/ukraine-troops-surrender-enmasse-white-flags-on

Just saying.

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0
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– Oblakhan 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

They are sick of being used as cannon fodder for Zelensky and is cabal masters.

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– redtoe-skipper 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The better source to listen to is on Rumble: Military Summary channel.

Hal is known for many years to . ...eh .... stretch things a little.

Another interesting analysis: Douglas Macgregor.

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– MuckeyDuck [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Yea, I was reading the 8can comments on the story, and the OP said, as though ashamed, that when he realized that Hal was the source, he wanted to have Admins delete his post.

I like Macgregor. He seems like a straight shooter, and how he reporting it can't be making him a whole lot of money.

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– redtoe-skipper 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You'll love his book: Margin of Victory.

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– deleted 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

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