LIBERTY SAFES … MEET BUD LIGHT. No excuse. None. If you have a Liberty Home safe, your valuables ARE NOT SAFE.
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This revelation was right on time for me. I am shopping for a good safe right now. Like, as in, TODAY. THANK GOD this was reported. One of their models WAS on my short list. WHEW!!!
Buy bigger than you currently need.
Saves you the trouble of upgrading....
In today's world?
Just build a warehouse in your backyard and store them in there.
Or even better, get the permits for a wine cellar only it's a well stocked bunker.
It's a tough balance,if you spend too much on a safe,you can afford less guns.
II'm a coupl eof days behind you but similarly am researching and really appreciate the heads up.
Now, we have a statement of a problem....how do we solve the problem? Was this an electronic lock with code? Is the solution to only use tumblers? How can we be secure in our person and property?
Awesome observations. After seeing this shit, I am going to try and find a NON electronic locks safe.
Check out the lock picking lawyer on YouTube. Very eye opening as to how easy locks are to break into.
Someone posted a video using a rare earth magnet to open most safes. after we saw that video we decided a safe was a waste of money. We’d have to engineer our own solution.
Because of these videos, and successfully picking our locks based on what we learned, we opted to hide in plain sight. Hollowed out books, mayo jar, drawer, small safe, floor board, etc. scattered things around the house. Inside and out. Some locked, some not. But nothing is in one spot.
Increase level of effort for find and time to locate. Safe has a frustratingly small number of items. So, effort spent would equal small gain. Same with the scattered approach.
We were thinking of the casual break and enter. FED protection would need Indiana Jones level of obscuring. Which we’re actively trying to figure out and build.
Something to consider.
Problem is a skilled locksmith (maybe even just an average guy with training) can break into those safes. In addition, many modern safes have finger print or other fast release methods to access your weapons rapidly if needed.
Big sign, "Warning, Black Powder Storage, no heat, sparks, flames, or impacts"
I like it! ;-)
So, they engineered a safe with a back door into it. As a security professional (cyber, not physical, but whatever) I know that all back doors eventually get abused.
Was this back door ever disclosed to the owners of these safes? If not, get ready to get sued into the ground.
"all back doors eventually get abused."
Sounds like some kind of commentary on Obummer and Big Mike.
LOL. Well done fren
Often ends up with the company protected by the government in some way if I recall correctly. Just another reason to hate our government.
Still laugh that anyone thinks their iPhones are safe when it has been well established for..what, more than a decade? That Apple includes backdoors for the government.
Every single Liberty Safe owner needs to sue them for not disclosing the backdoor if that happened.
Agree, hopefully it will make it to a jury and basically bankrupt them. I understand my data is not mine if it is stored on someone elses memory, but to purchase hardware, take it to your property, then have the hardware manufacturer have created and GIVE it to the government, wow. PM me and we can collaborate on an open source electronic lock.
AND.....how did the FBI know about the safe? Second visit? bought on CC?
if an alternative lock was installed and that same backdoor code, say turned on a light or tooted a horn, that would be cool.
Not sure about anyone else but I lost all firearms in a boating accident
Don't buy an electronic safe (aside from quick access hand gun type/small)
Don't buy a safe with a KEYHOLE
Buy a safe with an old school combination lock
Buy BIGGER than you think you need. A "27 gun safe" is misleading...In reality that's more like 5 long guns & their ammo.
We got a "FAT BOY" and it's not fat enough!!! needs more fat!!!
Combination lock should still be a good one; don't just get one that seems like a better deal.
Even without tools a lot of subpar combination locks can be cracked by feeling if not sound, and those subpar locks have a tendency to pop up on otherwise good products.
Research is good -- But also know that research you do will be collected and probably used in briefing by the government before they spread democracy to your home.
Correct.
Given enough time, ANY household safe you installed can be defeated, broken into and/or carried off.
A safe, buys you TIME... not complete security. Better safes buy you more time.
I’m a bit ignorant but I learn quickly . I despise all 3 letter and all letter criminals, of course , but , was this safe company bound by whatever law and could have been arrested if they didn’t turn the info over ? I’m wondering if this is a way to attack the G safe company so they can start destroying our advocates from within ! ! If they can close them down they’ll have us do it kind of tactic ,m! Did the criminals have some paper signed by a judge that if the company didn’t turn it over they would be arrested and their property siezed for interfering with a investigation, esp one concerning weapons , oh my neighbors and innocent children could be harmed with what is in that house , or some disgusting terminology and reasoning that they use!
at this point we're going to have to just make our own everything 😂 brew your beer and build your own gun safe
I would assume that any safe particularly one's with a keypad lock to have a backdoor from the manufacturer.
What's most concerning to me is the fact that Liberty Safe didn't say they were ordered by a court to open the safe or had a search warrant directed against them. The FBI only had to ask for Liberty to open the safe for them. I'd like to see a statement from other safe manufacturers if they would at least require a warrant before they give up the codes.
Sue Liberty Safes and the FBI.
FYI, this one @ TSC is made by Liberty, but is ideal.
Not electronic and has no keyhole for a master key:
Revere, 30 Long Gun + 4 Handgun, Combination Lock, 40 Min. Fire Rating, Gun Safe, Black
NOTE: This is NOT an endorsement, simply a pointing at one that meets MY specs for non-electronic & locally available.
NOTE2: I'm linking this while muttering "f$ck liberty safes" under my breath, but $899 is reasonable for many, while $4k isn't. Decisions....
EEEEEEEEvil.
EVERY safe manufacturer has a way to get into their safes because people are idiots and forget their combos. This is an everyday phone call for a safe company, period.
The problem here is that Liberty willingly gave out the code to LE without any subpoena.
Agree, but I'd like to see the warrant that has been cited but breezed over in reporting, before bud lighting a great product. A Subpoena would have had much better optics for Liberty by far.
The video of the SUV's driving to his property makes me sick to my stomach! I am very sad. "Lord, take me home!"
I am way past ready for the Military to take over! (Assuming we have enough good guys left in it?) Please, just do it, already!
Diebold TL-30 here, they better bring explosive’s
CEO is named.... Joe Fail. KEK
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