I'm starting this thread in an effort to locate other church members who are awake and based. I discovered that there are two based members here at GAW by the user names of Angela84 and DeplorableMimi that posted in this thread.
I am so very happy and relieved that they spoke up and let it be known which church they attend. Up until tonight, I thought I was the only awake church member in the whole church. Yes, seriously.
I've been a long time member of the church. I have been struggling with frustration ever since the covid fiasco started. I have been filled with silent anger with the church leadership for allowing the government to enforce social distancing practices and masks inside our church buildings.
For a long time I didn't go to church because of that anger. I kept thinking if the church prophets were real prophets, why didn't they inform the church members of the truth? Why did the church leadership allow the government to dictate to us what we do in our own church? There's supposed to be a separation of church and state yet the government was forcing us to abide by social distancing practices and wearing masks.
Why didn't the church president come out and tell us the truth? Why did the church president allow the church to be pushed around by the government that is so corrupted with evil? These are the questions I was struggling with for two years and I still struggle with today. I keep wishing and wishing my fellow church members would just wake up! By the shear numbers of us, we could be a strong force against this evil we're living under if we were all awake. So today during sacrament meeting and elders quorum meeting, I sat there silently like I usually do. After elders quorum meeting was over, I quietly walked to my car like I usually do and went home.
I hope very much that the moderators don't delete this thread. I'm just trying to locate more people like myself so that I don't have to feel so alone all the time. I keep wishing I could find brothers and sisters who are awake like me.
If you think the Mormon church's collusion with the globalists is bad, wait until you hear about the Catholic church.
I understand the feeling of betrayal. The only advice I could ever give anyone on this matter is that your relationship with God belongs only to you and no institution. If you have to leave, do so without any feelings of loss or regret. Your journey through this life is yours and your spouse's and no one else's.
Truth....
Sooth....
It's hard to find....
Long standing Catholic Christian here as well as being a staunch supporter of president Donald J Trump. I see this narrative propagated about the Catholic Church over and over again.
Present some concrete evidence otherwise it’s unnecessary division amongst our ranks.
The Catholic Church was infiltrated hundreds of years ago. I don't take any satisfaction in saying that. It's just a fact. Catholics are good people whose church has been hijacked.
Peruse all the posts Q made about the Pope: https://qalerts.app/?q=pope
u/#q4799
Historically once a religious group becomes sizable, it is infiltrated by those seeking power, and those people are not looking out for you. Happens every time.
Holy crap, i didnt even realize “seeking power” was a thing, until Hillary Clinton said, after her defeat in 2016,
“Some men just have a problem with women seeking power”
Yeah the Mormon church has a very deep historical, intimate relationship with Freemasonry (the temple ceremonies are essentially identical). Of course it is corrupt. And yes the Catholic church is corrupt and infested with paganism, Satanism, and homosexuals and pedophiles. And the orthodox Jews are even worse than that.
But the awesome news is that you don't need to be under the authority or hierarchy of any human organization to walk with God. There are loads of Christians here who support one another, and I myself would be happy to pray with and for you. For there is one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus.
When Jesus was dying for our sins on the cross, there were no Christian denominations. The apostles wrote down what He taught in the Bible. That is the standard. Do not add to it, nor take away from it. Sorry to say, but Joseph Smith made clear prophecies that did not come true, identifying himself as a false prophet. His teachings lead people to fall for the same delusion that the serpent foisted onto Eve: "You shall become like God". To be clear, we are to imitate God in all of His attributes, but we will not become Gods of our own planets, as the LDS teaches.
I’m a 37 year old active member. Currently live in Northern Utah.
I'm a member. I had the same questions. But this is what I have prayed about and thought about: We have been told in the past that we will not be instructed in all things and that especially in the last days (the last days could be any length of time and if we are not in it, we are nearing that period) we will need to be close to the Holy Ghost and have a strong sense of discernment.
I know that the Democrats are not democrats anymore, but are basically communist. I believe that communism is evil. The suppression of freedom and the desire for liberty was the basis for the war in Heaven, when Satan and 1/3 of the hosts of Heaven were cast out. So we know that liberty/free agency is the side we were on before.
The church is under attack in Utah. Twenty-two buildings were burglarized and damaged in the last few days here. In order for church to maintain its tax-free status it must remain neutral on politics. The left is attacking and destroying anyone and any business that does not comply with the narrative. I truly think that the church HAD to join in on the distancing and the masking and the encouraging but not commanding people to get the vaccine. We are free to choose. But I feel that the left would have attacked the church unmercifully and perhaps caused great harm to the church's stated purposes. I believe that this was one of the times we had to use our own discernment. We won't be instructed in all things. We've been told that we have to be in tune with the spirit constantly to know the truth.
Just my two or three cents worth.
I remember when a church in West Valley burned from arson like three times in a couple of months about fifteen or eighteen years ago.
I also remember when gay group "Soul Force" showed up in Rexburg, ID and suddenly a bunch of churches got vandalized. Totally couldn't be related, right?
Fear not the reproach of men? I wonder.
I guess it means to fear not the reproachment of men because they may do all manner of earthly harm but they cannot destroy your spirit and your relationship with Heavenly Father, which is more important.
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It's cool what you feel religiously. I don't expect everybody to believe what we believe. People think that we are not Christians because we have another book we carry along with the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are all very much Christians and believe in the King James version of the Bible. The Book of Mormon is about a family that escaped out of Jerusalem when the Babylonians were invading Israel. That is all it is. It is just an extension of the Bible. We refer to it as another testament of Jesus Christ.
Its not that Christians don’t have to follow the old law. It’s not that we have to either. The law is the law but we need to understand the purpose of the law. Think of the law as a mirror. When you stand before it it shows you your sin. That is it’s only purpose. To show you your sin. It cannot save you anymore than you can follow it. We are sinful beings by our very nature. That is why we need Jesus. That is why Jesus came to fulfill the law on our behalf.
Now back to that we don’t have to follow the law stuff. The thief on the cross did not follow the law. He did nothing but recognize Jesus as his savior with faith in his heart. Yet Jesus told him he will see him in paradise. That is an example of not having to follow the law because we are saved by faith and not our works, aka the law. God, being a just god, does not hold us to a standard that is impossible for us to uphold. That would not fall in line with his attributes of being fair and just. So his standard is our faith in Him.
Having faith encompasses everything, including the law. So while it’s impossible for us to fulfill the law we still strive to fulfill it because our goal is to be like Christ. That is why when we give our lives to Christ His Spirit takes over and we want to follow the law. Something that is impossible if we follow our flesh but something we strive for when living in the Spirit.
The law applies to His chosen people, Jews. They are a works based religion. Their sin must be atoned for over and over with blood of animals in failure because they don’t have faith hence they don’t live in the Spirit. They are not saved by the blood of Christ. At least not until they choose to be.
In short, it is our faith that saves us and our faith that wants to fulfill the law. This why someone on death row can be saved just before they get executed. It’s there faith in Jesus that saves them. Only God can know a person’s heart. He is a personal God.
This is also why one cannot just say the law doesn’t apply anymore decide to steal, rape, and murder with the premeditated thought of, I will just ask forgiveness and everything will be fine. I can do what I want and just ask forgiveness afterward. That is living in the flesh and not in the Spirit. As James says, faith without works is dead. Not because works are required but because it’s our faith, living in the Spirit, that inspires the works.
Do you want to do good and do you feel bad when you sin and then ask forgiveness with the intent of trying not to do it again? If so, it’s because you have faith and you care about pleasing God by trying to uphold the law. You won’t be able to do it and it can’t save you but you will never stop trying anyway. Because you have faith Christ.
Don’t fall into the trap of expecting everything to be perfectly stated to your understanding. That is a fool’s errand. The never speaks about scientific thing’s directly using modern terms but the concepts are all there in words of the time.
Many question what’s included in the Bible and what’s left out. How can we trust it? God’s sovereignty over it. That’s how. What God are you believing in if His message can be ruined by the very man He created and gave it to? Are you worshiping creation of the the Creator? Plus the translations are proven, aside from minor variations, to be correct due to the many different copies that can be compared. Plus the some books that cover the same events but from different points of view.
Faith is believing in something not seen but understood. You cannot see the atoms that make up the mass of things but you understand they are there. The air is invisible but you trust it to hold your jet airliner in the sky. Where is your faith? Rhetorically speaking?
Hopefully this helps. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus says, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”
What does this mean? What is the relationship between Jesus’ teaching and the Old Testament? Three ideas require definition here.
The phrase “the Law or the Prophets” is a common way of referring to the Old Testament, Israel’s Bible in Jesus’ day. The “Law” comprised the first five books of the OT, and the “Prophets” captured the rest (see also Luke 24:27).
The word “abolish” means “invalidate.” Jesus did not come to “do away with” or “repeal” the OT. Jesus respected the authority of the Law and the Prophets.
The word “fulfill” is the hinge on which the meaning of this verse turns. While it’s tempting to read this as a reference to Jesus’ obedience to the law, the verb translated “fulfill” did not mean “obey.” Rather, the word “fulfill” meant to bring to a designed goal, to fill up and complete, to bring to full expression. Jesus was declaring that he fulfilled the prophecies and even the patterns of Scripture; he showed forth their true meaning.
Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses…
Only perfection could fulfill perfect law. It had to be God Himself that fulfilled His law. Seems logical.
Not interested in converting to 7th Day Adventist or arguing with one. Sorry if you’re not 7th day but you sound just as legalistic as one. If you believe you’re a sinner, that Jesus is God incarnate, that He died to pay your sin debt, then you will go to heaven. The rest is a lot of minutia. Read Romans 7 and 8 and study them for good understanding if you would like to be enlightened about the law and faith.
Bro your a fuckin gem! Top-flight secret agent pepe bruh! You got all the support staff here at GAW you need son!!!! Sorry I’m drunk. Brought to you by carls jr. But for real you know there’s other mormon pepes here that can totally relate to the unfathomable shit you got to be dealing with as a mormon. My beat advise? Keep engaging here at HQ with all us other pepes that love you. For further edification, listen to Glenn Beck. He come on the AM dial at 9-12 depending on where you live. He’s wide fucking awake to the cabal’s plans and is always warning about it.
Stick to the Bible. NASB 1995 translation is a very good one. Study it. Don’t use another versions that have taken stuff out or added stuff. Stick to Scripture and speak to others about Scripture. The organized church has gone way off track. But there are still some good Bible teaching churches out there. And even inside those churches you have sheeple that just want to go along to get along. It’s how the government has wanted us to be and has been grooming the nation as a whole to be. And they manipulate Scripture to support their agenda too. Specifically in Romans which in my studying is taken way out of context. This government we have now and for the last 60+ years is evil. Stay in the Word my brother in Christ. And soon we’ll be united in Heaven.
I’m here brother
Look at their non profit #
I’m here!
My church was "reopened" with social distancing and masks. I went without a mask my family and another guy sat in the back not masked. I really wanted to stop going but I wanted my kids to remember going to church when they were young so I delt with it.
Now I moved out of the deep blue but leadership is not all that based. The members are much more awake. I was the nursery leader until they said I had to register with the state to keep my position. So now I don't have a calling but it's fine. I have plenty of opportunities to serve. It's weird 1/3 of the kids teachers wouldn't register with California so now all the teachers are whoever would register. It's concerning but it makes it easy to tell who thinks what. It's weird to hear people brag about how much things have changed in the church recently. I wonder how much is going to change back in the next few years. It seems like every large group is under attack and submitting on some level.
The Church, in its current state, is fallen...stick with Jesus and His Ministry, and remember The Prophet's teachings in yer heart, because these folks have abandoned both of them...
I had a guy fresh off his mission tell me that very thing last year.
I try not to discourage Missionaries I meet, I just tell them that bringing people to Jesus is priority number ONE...nothing else matters...
What did he say?
That the church is in a fallen state. That was pretty much it.
Masonic in origin. Now you know why your church was allowed to be pushed around.
Same thing with all Masonic origin churches.
See, it is not about people coming together for worship, it is about the guardians telling you how to worship. And instead of letting you make your own decisions, they become the blockers of your divine freedom.
I left the catholics a long time ago, I went to the Babtists, Methodists, Pentacostals, Scientoligists, and even studied the Hindu religions, and some Asian Religions....
I was looking for Common threads in all of them, looking for Gods Words, looking for the Good, The Right, the Correct, and in all of it, I found only ONE VOICE, one common spoken word....
Those were the words of Jesus....
I no longer belong to ""A"" church....
I pray in my chamber, quietly, softly, and mainly, mostly, in my own mind or head, do not have a need to speak aloud what God can hear from my thoughts, it is the commonality that I found from ALL things I have studied, God is....
Jesus is....
Jesus has made our path, and we can either follow Jesus, or the herd....
When they ask why, tell them truth, they walked away, you didn't....
Ask Mitt Romney, he has the answer to all the world's problems. /s/
Great thread
I'm not LDS, but I'm interested in their faith.
GAW is good for people of faith.
You are not alone. There are many active Mormons in Utah and elsewhere that feel the same way.
I think most sit quietly and bide their time. Many go inactive or partially active. But there are many more than you may be aware of
There's a channel on Telegram called Conservative Former Mormons... based Mormons who couldn't ignore all the red flags within the Church anymore and now are collectiving searching for truth. Not everyone agrees on everything but I found friends there that I could not find anywhere else and we've been helping each other deconstruct... some are Q friendly, some are not. https://t.me/conservative_former_mormons I would love to chat with you, I have a ton to share with you. I 💯 understand what you are going through. This has been those most difficult matrix to exit...If you're on Telegram let me know, and we can get in touch.
My fellow Patriot and church member, Brother in Christ, I completely understand where you are right now. My family has been absent from the church ever since the covid restrictions too. I have had mixed feelings ever since I saw a picture of President Nelson with the Pope. I remember seeing this pic and was dumbfounded as to why would our church President have anything to do with the pope? I remember how the thought of that picture sat in my gut like spoiled fruit. Shortly before that, the President came out with our study at home series and changed church from 3 hours down to 2. I remember thinking how weird that was. Church had been 3 hours since I could remember. Then Covid hits, and he follows through like a perfect little sheep and closes church down. Good thing we all had that study at home series. Almost like he seen the writing on the wall. I, at that point started feeling real skeptical about things. Decided to look into our church President a little deeper, and low and behold found a mass amount of China affiliations. I have been a member my whole life, (family too) and will admit I left the church for many years and returned in 2012 and was active and happy. Not anymore. I'm done. I really believe that the hierarchy of the church has some skeletons that I'm afraid to learn about. The other day I saw an article about Tim Ballard and now the church is coming against him. Why??? Tim Ballard has been a man of honor saving women and children from heinous crimes and the church comes out against him? Supposedly there are women out there claiming sexual misconduct against him and the church gives a public statement against him before the investigation is even over. No, I smell rats!! Something is terribly wrong and the spirit is telling you to pay attention, just like the spirit had been telling me. I'm sorry, but something isn't right and I'm afraid our church may be in on it. Don't even get me started about Mitt. aka Pierre Delecto.