Like I said in another post: All this spy on electronic communications reminds me of the scene in Batman: The Dark Knight where Batman gives Lucius Fox control of a powerful spy system that allows whoever controls it to see everyone in the city in real time. Fox did not like the idea of someone having all this power. Batman agrees but the Joker had to be stopped because he was too dangerous. Batman told Fox that after he captures the Joker, Fox can type in his name into the spy machine. Fast forward, the Joker is captured using the spy system and Fox types in his name into the spy system. We then get a shot of Fox walking away from the spy system self destructing itself. I believe the White Hats are preparing for the final stage of this war by extending and broadening FISA 702 and under Biden's watch LOL. WHs get surveillance powers they need and make Biden and congress look more like tyrants in the process. If we are going to win this war we need to use extraordinary measures. The WHs know this. This is a winner take all (WWG1WGA) type of war. I hate all this spying on Americans and believe that it's unconstitutional and an affront to what the Founding Fathers believed in. But, we need to win this war no matter the cost. I have faith the WHs have a plan in place to end the surveillance once the BHs are taken care of. The WHs wouldn't go through all this trouble of getting the people on their side through the Q movement if they weren't prepared to undo everything the cabal did in the past. Otherwise, we will get the civil war the WHs so desperately tried to avoid.
Christopher Nolan wrote The Dark Knight. His brother Jonathan Nolan created Person of Interest. Something tells me those Nolan brothers know something.
If it can be reformed once, it can be reformed again in a worse way. I really wish people would be more forward thinking about this stuff and actually consider long term consequences instead and adamantly putting a stop to it.
How do you reform something when its entire operation is a secret? I think even most of the judges in it are a secret. Who would know if they were hiding anything? They will just pay on the people “overseeing” it.
Without going into details, I myself am of the "Barr, Pence critical players in the devolution setup and all the rest is kayfabe" school.
Pompeo I would have thought def. to be white hat, consider where Trump put him and used him, but the recent Assange-related revelations (to me revelations) has me wondering, although i don't accept Tucker's views to be definitive evidence. Almost impossible to know what's going on in the intel world, given all the smoke and mirrors.
We are in the middle of a swamp drain. Section 702 may be a vital tool at this stage of the game. We have traitors who are still conspiring against our country and also attempting to hide in the shadows and avoid justice.
As said in Q post 3603, FISA works both ways, so white hats are using the same tools of the deep state, using it to collect evidence of treason against the swamp creatures.
If after the swamp is drained, bad actors are incarcerated and animosity between nations is repaired, we can then consider curtailing the spying process.
It is hard to say which of the names at the bottom of this letter are black or white hats. I would think Nunes and Ratcliffe are white hats, Nunes is working for Trump over at Truth Social. Barr and Pompeo have a questionable history, but we know the counter infiltration process could explain their actions.
If I had to guess, they are all white hats and there is a need to track the communications of bad foreign nationals as this swamp drain continues.
I don't see Kash Patel's or Matt Gaetz's names on the letter. The surprise for me,(over and over!), is Mike Pompeo. I thought he was a Trump ally up until he lost all that weight. He doesn't even look remotely the same as he used to. He started doing strange things around that time. To see him on this list confirms to me that he either flipped or he's a top notch actor. Q said that's what makes a great movie- great actors. We shall see.
Gaetz was not a member of the previous Trump administration. Also, all the signatories here were big wigs, heads of their respective departments/committees, etc. Kash was never working on the same level of these guys, and I think it would seem weird if he were included in this grouping.
Thanks 4ever. I've very well aware of Kash Patel in the context of the Q drops, and have been for years!
Sometimes, I think some of us have a way of thinking that just because someone is a white hat or important or doing an important function in the Q operation sense, awakening sense or maga sense, that optics or the way of politics or the way the rest of the world functions isn't important.
All of the signatories to this letter - a letter that is being submitted on a formal basis in a govt. administration situation - are heads of their departments etc. They held very significant formally TOP positions.
"never working on the same level of these guys" = was not working on the same level of POSITION in any formal sense.
Kash did very important, if not critical work. He was an aide to Nunes, a staffer at the Nat. Sec. Council, and later was in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) as a principal deputy to Acting Director Grenel.
In the way the world works, you just don't add a junior staff member to a list of signatories like this. It would not make sense, and seem very out of place to all involved.
By the way, this says nothing about the significance of Patel as a player or feature in the current info war. Given his work at Truth Social, and the 'trolling' he and others did around baby q, later Q account at TS, it's not too difficult to imagine that Patel may easily have been or is currently very close to the nexus of the Q operation.
While for some, maybe like yourself, seeing Kash's signature on this letter might inspire some sort of confidence or belief in whether its a good thing or a bad thing or whether people signing it are 'good' or 'bad', contextually, it just would not make sense. I mean, we can be confident that whether the letter / initiative is good or bad, if it is 'good' its purpose and audience is NOT you NOR I nor anons.
We should see and understand what is being done in the context it is being done, and the purpose for which it is done. To me, that's more effective in terms of attempting to apply evaluations, as opposed to whether "the guys I like and trust" signed something or were involved in something. But maybe that's just me?
Personally, it gives me confidence that things are going the way we believe they are going. I’d be concerned if any of the people I mentioned earlier were on the letter. It shows us who is DS.
Aha. So you are assuming that the submission of this letter is NOT something that Donald Trump or the White Hats want? is that the idea?
"Fisa goes both ways" Q3603
I think the assumption that this letter must be bad, that it helps the DS, and therefore, that signatories must be deep state is very simplistic. I understand that people can think like that, but it seems way too simplistic and well, naive to me. But I guess that's mixed in with a lot of my own conclusions and beliefs about "what is going on".
For example, I'm def. of the school, and confident, that Barr is certainly cooperating with Trump. Nunes there can be no real question about, or Ratcliff. And the only reason I might doubt Pompeo is because of Tucker's recent statements, but in themselves, they are not enough for me to feel conclusive in any way that DJT does not trust Pompeo.
And believing someone is DS just because they lost weight, or that them losing weight shows they are somehow deep state, well, that seems pretty dumb to me (no offense). I think Q would want us to practice freedom of thought:
"Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
Personally, I'm 100% confident that things are going the way 'we' want them. The signs of the winning are everywhere. But its narrative warfare, and there are MANY layers to the narratives, and different groups get attached to different layers.
For example, Con Inc aka the Establishment "conservative" voices want everyone to believe that NOT impeaching Biden, NOT doing it yesterday, and that Biden in office itself is a really bad thing (something we should all doom about).
But in reality, Biden in the Oval Office is absolutely brilliant and wonderful from the viewpoint of the Plan, the Q operation, the awakening of the public (esp. central people and even now folks on the left), from the viewpoint of the 2024 election. That last one should be obvious, because IF they actually try to steal the election again and EVEN if they so-called 'succeeded', absolutely NO ONE would buy it. Because even the left hate Biden in the office now. But they cannot just get rid of him, because they spent the last 3-4 years telling everyone ON the left that Biden was going to be so different and do so well compared to Trump.
Biden is the perfect campaign opponent for Trump. Biden is EVERYTHING the establishment tried to tell America that Trump was, narratives which have been in collapse since the day Biden took office. So running against Biden in 2024 is exactly what Trump, and maga, should want.
Particular if Trump put in place some sort of devolution continuity plan, it means a lot of the key, critical functions of the govt and nation are actually safe, protected, while the exposure and disclosure phase all plays out (2021-2025).
Anyway, as for "the way we believe they are going", I'm not sure who you include in "we" there, as I can only see a LOT of diversity among anons as to how they understand and believe how things are going, and I'm wondering if you're not assuming that everyone believes or sees things the way you do.
Diversity of belief and thought are a good thing, if we are open to discussion, learning, and aren't overly protective of our own rigid beliefs, imo.
No, I’m not seeing that everyone thinks the way I do. Thank you for your “pretty dumb, no offense” comment. I’m far beyond what you believe. And, for the comment about Pompeo and losing weight, I’m not cutting on him.-I’m using this as a reference regarding time. In other words, Pompeo started waffling regarding Trump at about the same time as we see the “new and improved” Pompeo. Both of these coincide but thank you for your assumptions. I’m pretty dumbfounded at what this has been interpreted as. I’m saying that if you want some
of us old timers to buy what the letter is trying to sell, try harder. My comment was a hint to where they,(the DS), need to focus.
P.S.-I believe that the plan is going exactly as planned.
Thanks for the reply. And, i want to apologize for the pretty dumb comment. I don't really mean it to be offensive. I do some pretty dumb things and have some pretty dumb ideas myself.
I guess I may have just read your comments too briefly, and interpreted them in ways not intended.
I'm glad to have any mistaken assumptions pointed out! Sometimes you have to make assumptions in order to advance ideas. But we should always be ready to recognize assumptions for what they are, and not pretend or treat them as facts.
Glad to have the exchange. Hopefully next time the wavelengths will coincide a bit better! Again, thanks for the reply.
Section 702 (FISA) is an important tool in our fight against the deep state. It is also one of the most abused and corrupted laws ever written. With all of the abuses coming to light now, any idea to the contrary can't even be suggested with a straight face. I firmly believe that 702 can be saved. Consider that the deep state is using the get rid of it all argument against gun ownership, our Second Amendment. Both can be saved by simply dealing harshly, very harshly with those who abuse it.
Like I said in another post: All this spy on electronic communications reminds me of the scene in Batman: The Dark Knight where Batman gives Lucius Fox control of a powerful spy system that allows whoever controls it to see everyone in the city in real time. Fox did not like the idea of someone having all this power. Batman agrees but the Joker had to be stopped because he was too dangerous. Batman told Fox that after he captures the Joker, Fox can type in his name into the spy machine. Fast forward, the Joker is captured using the spy system and Fox types in his name into the spy system. We then get a shot of Fox walking away from the spy system self destructing itself. I believe the White Hats are preparing for the final stage of this war by extending and broadening FISA 702 and under Biden's watch LOL. WHs get surveillance powers they need and make Biden and congress look more like tyrants in the process. If we are going to win this war we need to use extraordinary measures. The WHs know this. This is a winner take all (WWG1WGA) type of war. I hate all this spying on Americans and believe that it's unconstitutional and an affront to what the Founding Fathers believed in. But, we need to win this war no matter the cost. I have faith the WHs have a plan in place to end the surveillance once the BHs are taken care of. The WHs wouldn't go through all this trouble of getting the people on their side through the Q movement if they weren't prepared to undo everything the cabal did in the past. Otherwise, we will get the civil war the WHs so desperately tried to avoid.
Edit: YouTube links
The Spy System Scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRELLH86Edo
Fox Resigns Scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih9PgEjVRzY
Also reminds me of the entire TV show Person of Interest starring Jim Caviezel.
Christopher Nolan wrote The Dark Knight. His brother Jonathan Nolan created Person of Interest. Something tells me those Nolan brothers know something.
They arent creative. They write what they see.
u/#q3603
They want to keep it, but also think it should be reformed, no more secret courts.
If it can be reformed once, it can be reformed again in a worse way. I really wish people would be more forward thinking about this stuff and actually consider long term consequences instead and adamantly putting a stop to it.
It's corrupt by design. Fear is thr way to slavery. Weare about to be freed. No going back.
How do you reform something when its entire operation is a secret? I think even most of the judges in it are a secret. Who would know if they were hiding anything? They will just pay on the people “overseeing” it.
My current feeling on these signers.
Bad: Pompeo, Barr, O'Brien
Good: Ratcliffe, Nunes
I do not see any signatures. Has anyone verified this? If it is signed by all 5, I will be quite confused as to who is good or bad.
Without going into details, I myself am of the "Barr, Pence critical players in the devolution setup and all the rest is kayfabe" school.
Pompeo I would have thought def. to be white hat, consider where Trump put him and used him, but the recent Assange-related revelations (to me revelations) has me wondering, although i don't accept Tucker's views to be definitive evidence. Almost impossible to know what's going on in the intel world, given all the smoke and mirrors.
We are in the middle of a swamp drain. Section 702 may be a vital tool at this stage of the game. We have traitors who are still conspiring against our country and also attempting to hide in the shadows and avoid justice.
As said in Q post 3603, FISA works both ways, so white hats are using the same tools of the deep state, using it to collect evidence of treason against the swamp creatures.
If after the swamp is drained, bad actors are incarcerated and animosity between nations is repaired, we can then consider curtailing the spying process.
It is hard to say which of the names at the bottom of this letter are black or white hats. I would think Nunes and Ratcliffe are white hats, Nunes is working for Trump over at Truth Social. Barr and Pompeo have a questionable history, but we know the counter infiltration process could explain their actions.
If I had to guess, they are all white hats and there is a need to track the communications of bad foreign nationals as this swamp drain continues.
Yes...Nunes & Ratcliffe are the only ones I trust on the letter.
Trust to do what?
Don't trust ANYONE!
We haven't needed fisa to break the swamp. They already have it all. Secret courts. Patriot act both need to go.
I don't see Kash Patel's or Matt Gaetz's names on the letter. The surprise for me,(over and over!), is Mike Pompeo. I thought he was a Trump ally up until he lost all that weight. He doesn't even look remotely the same as he used to. He started doing strange things around that time. To see him on this list confirms to me that he either flipped or he's a top notch actor. Q said that's what makes a great movie- great actors. We shall see.
Gaetz was not a member of the previous Trump administration. Also, all the signatories here were big wigs, heads of their respective departments/committees, etc. Kash was never working on the same level of these guys, and I think it would seem weird if he were included in this grouping.
u/#q1482
Thanks 4ever. I've very well aware of Kash Patel in the context of the Q drops, and have been for years!
Sometimes, I think some of us have a way of thinking that just because someone is a white hat or important or doing an important function in the Q operation sense, awakening sense or maga sense, that optics or the way of politics or the way the rest of the world functions isn't important.
All of the signatories to this letter - a letter that is being submitted on a formal basis in a govt. administration situation - are heads of their departments etc. They held very significant formally TOP positions.
"never working on the same level of these guys" = was not working on the same level of POSITION in any formal sense.
Kash did very important, if not critical work. He was an aide to Nunes, a staffer at the Nat. Sec. Council, and later was in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) as a principal deputy to Acting Director Grenel.
In the way the world works, you just don't add a junior staff member to a list of signatories like this. It would not make sense, and seem very out of place to all involved.
By the way, this says nothing about the significance of Patel as a player or feature in the current info war. Given his work at Truth Social, and the 'trolling' he and others did around baby q, later Q account at TS, it's not too difficult to imagine that Patel may easily have been or is currently very close to the nexus of the Q operation.
While for some, maybe like yourself, seeing Kash's signature on this letter might inspire some sort of confidence or belief in whether its a good thing or a bad thing or whether people signing it are 'good' or 'bad', contextually, it just would not make sense. I mean, we can be confident that whether the letter / initiative is good or bad, if it is 'good' its purpose and audience is NOT you NOR I nor anons.
We should see and understand what is being done in the context it is being done, and the purpose for which it is done. To me, that's more effective in terms of attempting to apply evaluations, as opposed to whether "the guys I like and trust" signed something or were involved in something. But maybe that's just me?
Personally, it gives me confidence that things are going the way we believe they are going. I’d be concerned if any of the people I mentioned earlier were on the letter. It shows us who is DS.
Aha. So you are assuming that the submission of this letter is NOT something that Donald Trump or the White Hats want? is that the idea?
"Fisa goes both ways" Q3603
I think the assumption that this letter must be bad, that it helps the DS, and therefore, that signatories must be deep state is very simplistic. I understand that people can think like that, but it seems way too simplistic and well, naive to me. But I guess that's mixed in with a lot of my own conclusions and beliefs about "what is going on".
For example, I'm def. of the school, and confident, that Barr is certainly cooperating with Trump. Nunes there can be no real question about, or Ratcliff. And the only reason I might doubt Pompeo is because of Tucker's recent statements, but in themselves, they are not enough for me to feel conclusive in any way that DJT does not trust Pompeo.
And believing someone is DS just because they lost weight, or that them losing weight shows they are somehow deep state, well, that seems pretty dumb to me (no offense). I think Q would want us to practice freedom of thought:
Personally, I'm 100% confident that things are going the way 'we' want them. The signs of the winning are everywhere. But its narrative warfare, and there are MANY layers to the narratives, and different groups get attached to different layers.
For example, Con Inc aka the Establishment "conservative" voices want everyone to believe that NOT impeaching Biden, NOT doing it yesterday, and that Biden in office itself is a really bad thing (something we should all doom about).
But in reality, Biden in the Oval Office is absolutely brilliant and wonderful from the viewpoint of the Plan, the Q operation, the awakening of the public (esp. central people and even now folks on the left), from the viewpoint of the 2024 election. That last one should be obvious, because IF they actually try to steal the election again and EVEN if they so-called 'succeeded', absolutely NO ONE would buy it. Because even the left hate Biden in the office now. But they cannot just get rid of him, because they spent the last 3-4 years telling everyone ON the left that Biden was going to be so different and do so well compared to Trump.
Biden is the perfect campaign opponent for Trump. Biden is EVERYTHING the establishment tried to tell America that Trump was, narratives which have been in collapse since the day Biden took office. So running against Biden in 2024 is exactly what Trump, and maga, should want.
Particular if Trump put in place some sort of devolution continuity plan, it means a lot of the key, critical functions of the govt and nation are actually safe, protected, while the exposure and disclosure phase all plays out (2021-2025).
Anyway, as for "the way we believe they are going", I'm not sure who you include in "we" there, as I can only see a LOT of diversity among anons as to how they understand and believe how things are going, and I'm wondering if you're not assuming that everyone believes or sees things the way you do.
Diversity of belief and thought are a good thing, if we are open to discussion, learning, and aren't overly protective of our own rigid beliefs, imo.
No, I’m not seeing that everyone thinks the way I do. Thank you for your “pretty dumb, no offense” comment. I’m far beyond what you believe. And, for the comment about Pompeo and losing weight, I’m not cutting on him.-I’m using this as a reference regarding time. In other words, Pompeo started waffling regarding Trump at about the same time as we see the “new and improved” Pompeo. Both of these coincide but thank you for your assumptions. I’m pretty dumbfounded at what this has been interpreted as. I’m saying that if you want some of us old timers to buy what the letter is trying to sell, try harder. My comment was a hint to where they,(the DS), need to focus. P.S.-I believe that the plan is going exactly as planned.
Thanks for the reply. And, i want to apologize for the pretty dumb comment. I don't really mean it to be offensive. I do some pretty dumb things and have some pretty dumb ideas myself.
I guess I may have just read your comments too briefly, and interpreted them in ways not intended.
I'm glad to have any mistaken assumptions pointed out! Sometimes you have to make assumptions in order to advance ideas. But we should always be ready to recognize assumptions for what they are, and not pretend or treat them as facts.
Glad to have the exchange. Hopefully next time the wavelengths will coincide a bit better! Again, thanks for the reply.
Okay, makes sense.
Asking for a "warrant" for FISA is simply the same as having no warrant when the judges are corrupt.
What you want is a proper foreign surveillance tool which has oversight and transparency.
Someone needs to dig into the bill and find out what exactly are the safeguards put into it.
Well, I was wrong about this. That's a mixed group of signators.
FISA works both ways
Notable Names:
Bill Barr - ok
Kansas - ok
Devin Nunes - wow. No way Nunes is deep state.
I don't like it but my mind isn't made up that BB or Kansas are our enemies.
So I guess I'll try to keep an open mind on this.
All that signed letter should be hung at daybreak
Think mirror. What you do, comes back at you.
Disappointed nunes signed
He did not.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/11/46-deep-state-officials-including-rosenstein-clapper-and-morell-urge-congress-to-pass-hpsci-version-of-fisa-702-renewal-to-expand-domestic-surveillance/#more-253712
Here it says Turner lied and that Nunes and Ratcliffe do not support this bill: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/11/46-deep-state-officials-including-rosenstein-clapper-and-morell-urge-congress-to-pass-hpsci-version-of-fisa-702-renewal-to-expand-domestic-surveillance/#more-253712
Read the letter posted above.
Section 702 (FISA) is an important tool in our fight against the deep state. It is also one of the most abused and corrupted laws ever written. With all of the abuses coming to light now, any idea to the contrary can't even be suggested with a straight face. I firmly believe that 702 can be saved. Consider that the deep state is using the get rid of it all argument against gun ownership, our Second Amendment. Both can be saved by simply dealing harshly, very harshly with those who abuse it.
Dear So and sos.
We are the Traitors! Please let us keep our traitor toys!
I am surprised by Nunes, maybe.