Sounds more like a consumer protection TOC than censorship. Phishing, smishing, and 'social engineering (targeting people to manipulate individuals to reveal private information....") and so on.
Frankly I'm tired of getting such scams on my phone too and I wish my carrier would deal with them. This should only concern wealthy Nigerian princes and those scamming call centers in Calcutta.
No. They have no rights to impose fines for content. Run don’t walk away from them. If their content is such that it violates these terms due to it being unlawful, there are remedies under the law. This is censorship beginnings.
Definitely a slippery slope kinda thing going on. The Patriot Act was supposed to protect us too. They sell this tyranny by dressing it up as for our own protection.
That's why the term "nanny state" originated, the idea that we citizens were so weak and timid that we had to be protected by a Big Daddy (or Big Brother) all-powerful government.
This is exactly it. The tweet makes it sound like it was network traffic, this is a fee for delivering improper SMS/messages/calls.
There are a lot of rules (under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 and later laws) that deal with anti-spoofing, anti-spam, junk faxes, etc.
Unfortunately, most of the spam with spoofed numbers originates outside the US, so is difficult to track down.
Clarification: bandwidth.com is T-Mobile US' wholesale call center calling/texting services, which is exactly what a call center (legitimate or scammers) would use, hence the need for fines. The fines likely come about due to the expense of the telecoms having to track down and stop the spam/bad messages.
Its going to happen with all the networks. Time to switch to someone like patriot mobile or whatever Mike Adams phone is or that cell phone Eric Prince was talking about
Might be worth a try, also if you're savvy, de-google your android and run a different operating system. You'll probably lose things like banking apps but that's an option
Can't wait for innocent customers to have their phone lines sim-swapped, the "unapproved" content transferred, then large fines hitting these unsuspecting normies.
Or even because of malware that takes over someone's phone without them knowing.
What great ways to drive your customers away T-Mobile! I look forward to you putting yourself out of business soon!
Funny how T-Mobile puts the consumer protection elements first and hides the other stuff down the list.
CBD oil? To my understanding, CBD is completely non-psychoactive, legal in all 50 states and helps a lot of people with pain management and anxiety issues. I do not use it but that's my understanding. Pedes, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oddly enough, my son was watching a family guy rerun last night, and apparently they saw this coming with T-Mobile almost 2 years ago. Apologies for the TY clip, I couldn't find it anywhere else. Only runs 16 seconds:
I had T-mobile and had spotty service. Then I switched to Patriot Mobile and was able to use T-Mobile's sim card through Patriot. Still had spotty service and was about to switch to AT&T when Patriot Mobile said I could switch sim cards to use AT&T's cells. So I pay $55 a month for 10 gigs and unlimited talk and text. Not bad at all, plus Patriot donates to worthy causes.
I left at&t over two years ago for numerous reasons and switched to Patriot Mobile. Great coverage and great price. Their service is so good that I don't even think about them as a service provider. AT&T always wanted to "engage" with me to discuss my business and personal cell services.
How many of you pedes have them as a service? Seriously, because like... a class action lawsuit right now against this would CRIPPLE them and make you all counts on fingers probably money for lunch, gas, and tolls... granted its not a lot, but it would be death by 1000 cuts
These are unenforceable. This isn't how Terms of Service works. They can provide a service for a fee, or they can deny that service if you don't meet the terms that you agreed too. Terms of Service aren't contracts, and this company isn't a government that can enforce laws and implement fines. They can sue you if you harm them in some way, but they can't fine you. If they try to fine you for speech they don't like, and you don't pay, the only thing they can do is deny you service or sue you in court. Good luck proving harm to a court for saying something they don't like. You can't just put anything in a Terms of Service and make it enforceable. South Park made a hilarious episode about this very thing. If this were true, they could put the most ridiculous things in there and it would be legal.
So this is just an admission that they (and other carriers) are already viewing content and spying on you. Encrypted text app standards are needed so we can oick an app of our chou=ice and share keys with those we want to have conversations even the app cant decrypt.
TMobile has just spent the past couple months pushing people on auto-pay to switch from credit card to link their bank account for ACH. I wonder if that was in preparation for these new fines so that people can’t charge-back the fines through their credit card companies. It’s more difficult to get your money back when your bank account is linked for ACH.
Sounds more like a consumer protection TOC than censorship. Phishing, smishing, and 'social engineering (targeting people to manipulate individuals to reveal private information....") and so on.
Frankly I'm tired of getting such scams on my phone too and I wish my carrier would deal with them. This should only concern wealthy Nigerian princes and those scamming call centers in Calcutta.
Did you read the 500 dollar fine? Or the $1,000 fine? did you just read the $2,000 fine
Yes of course I did.... still sounds like consumer protection from scammers etc.
No. They have no rights to impose fines for content. Run don’t walk away from them. If their content is such that it violates these terms due to it being unlawful, there are remedies under the law. This is censorship beginnings.
Hmmm, maybe I'll reconsider my position, thanks.
Definitely a slippery slope kinda thing going on. The Patriot Act was supposed to protect us too. They sell this tyranny by dressing it up as for our own protection.
That's why the term "nanny state" originated, the idea that we citizens were so weak and timid that we had to be protected by a Big Daddy (or Big Brother) all-powerful government.
Pay now. KEK
Come 'n get me, coppah!
This is exactly it. The tweet makes it sound like it was network traffic, this is a fee for delivering improper SMS/messages/calls.
There are a lot of rules (under the Telephone Consumer Protection Act of 1991 and later laws) that deal with anti-spoofing, anti-spam, junk faxes, etc.
Unfortunately, most of the spam with spoofed numbers originates outside the US, so is difficult to track down.
Clarification: bandwidth.com is T-Mobile US' wholesale call center calling/texting services, which is exactly what a call center (legitimate or scammers) would use, hence the need for fines. The fines likely come about due to the expense of the telecoms having to track down and stop the spam/bad messages.
This has been in their Code of Conduct for a while, they're just going to start charging fines for violations. Here's an archive of their CoC from 2021, section 5 is where these restrictions are discussed: https://web.archive.org/web/20211006152618/https://www.t-mobile.com/support/public-files/attachments/T-Mobile%20Code%20of%20Conduct.pdf
I dumped them a while ago. Time to dump T-Mobile those who are on their services.
Its going to happen with all the networks. Time to switch to someone like patriot mobile or whatever Mike Adams phone is or that cell phone Eric Prince was talking about
Can you list them for me please? appreciate.
https://www.unplugged.com/upphone/ I heard the patriot phone drops calls just what I heard
I heard that about patriot phone also. Now, when do you expect this to come out? What network will it run on, do you know?
I don't know, I saw Eric Prince mention it in an interview. Trying to find out if I can root my phone and run their software to make the switch
Thanks for the info. Appreciate.
Anytime wish I had more
https://www.4freedommobile.com/?users=4
Oh. It's an app. I see. Thank you.
Might be worth a try, also if you're savvy, de-google your android and run a different operating system. You'll probably lose things like banking apps but that's an option
LOL. Wish I know how to do all that, but 4freedommobile seems like an excellent idea.
Can't wait for innocent customers to have their phone lines sim-swapped, the "unapproved" content transferred, then large fines hitting these unsuspecting normies.
Or even because of malware that takes over someone's phone without them knowing.
What great ways to drive your customers away T-Mobile! I look forward to you putting yourself out of business soon!
Funny how T-Mobile puts the consumer protection elements first and hides the other stuff down the list.
CBD oil? To my understanding, CBD is completely non-psychoactive, legal in all 50 states and helps a lot of people with pain management and anxiety issues. I do not use it but that's my understanding. Pedes, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oddly enough, my son was watching a family guy rerun last night, and apparently they saw this coming with T-Mobile almost 2 years ago. Apologies for the TY clip, I couldn't find it anywhere else. Only runs 16 seconds:
https://youtu.be/cuVRqu2Tp8I
Just left them a few days ago for US Mobile
Good riddance. Cheap Mvnos are the way to go for frogs
Sounds like I’m gonna switch to patriot mobile is sponsor of Donald Trump Junior
Heard a lot of complaint about patriot mobile that's why I have not been using it.
Drop them!
Dumped the turd mobile a long time ago. There are way to many areas that don't have any service for miles when I was traveling.
I don't like AT&T, but I don't run into that issue with them.
I had T-mobile and had spotty service. Then I switched to Patriot Mobile and was able to use T-Mobile's sim card through Patriot. Still had spotty service and was about to switch to AT&T when Patriot Mobile said I could switch sim cards to use AT&T's cells. So I pay $55 a month for 10 gigs and unlimited talk and text. Not bad at all, plus Patriot donates to worthy causes.
I am going to have to check Patriot out. Thanks
I left at&t over two years ago for numerous reasons and switched to Patriot Mobile. Great coverage and great price. Their service is so good that I don't even think about them as a service provider. AT&T always wanted to "engage" with me to discuss my business and personal cell services.
Investigating Patriot Mobile. Logo has the "three red bars". Hmmm.
GOD DAMN!
How many of you pedes have them as a service? Seriously, because like... a class action lawsuit right now against this would CRIPPLE them and make you all counts on fingers probably money for lunch, gas, and tolls... granted its not a lot, but it would be death by 1000 cuts
You just can't define some vague shit you can get an extra fee for they need to itemize that shit and post it.
These are unenforceable. This isn't how Terms of Service works. They can provide a service for a fee, or they can deny that service if you don't meet the terms that you agreed too. Terms of Service aren't contracts, and this company isn't a government that can enforce laws and implement fines. They can sue you if you harm them in some way, but they can't fine you. If they try to fine you for speech they don't like, and you don't pay, the only thing they can do is deny you service or sue you in court. Good luck proving harm to a court for saying something they don't like. You can't just put anything in a Terms of Service and make it enforceable. South Park made a hilarious episode about this very thing. If this were true, they could put the most ridiculous things in there and it would be legal.
I hope they get their asses sued.
So this is just an admission that they (and other carriers) are already viewing content and spying on you. Encrypted text app standards are needed so we can oick an app of our chou=ice and share keys with those we want to have conversations even the app cant decrypt.
TMobile has just spent the past couple months pushing people on auto-pay to switch from credit card to link their bank account for ACH. I wonder if that was in preparation for these new fines so that people can’t charge-back the fines through their credit card companies. It’s more difficult to get your money back when your bank account is linked for ACH.
Does this affect T-Mobile's Section 230 protections?
What is SHAFT? I looked it up and answered my own question:
S.H.A.F.T. is an acronym that stands for Sex, Hate, Alcohol, Firearms, and Tobacco.
Sounds like a great name for a band!
Posted content must be legal in all 50 states and federally. This means you have to hire 51 lawyers to approve your postings.
They will go out of business like the rest