Has anyone ever heard of "Q" being a missing part of the Bible, specifically the lost Gospel of Q?
Many people don't realize that the Bible we read today is not the original version. For example, the "King James version" was actually edited by King James, hence the name. Many things were taken out because King James didn't want his people reading or hearing them.
I came across the Paul Wallis channel on YouTube the other day and watched the 5-part series of "Jesus in India," which covered the years of Jesus' life that are missing from the Bible. Part 2 of the series is titled "Jesus in India, Pt 2, Thomas, Q & Jesus before Christianity." You can find it on YouTube or paulwallis.com.
Just wondering if anyone else has heard of this.
Add: James didn't take out anything to my knowledge; he left in all the apocrypha and many questioned passages. In the late 1800s many people took many things out of the original KJV.
Nobody has a perfect copy of the original version, or any component scroll of it, and that's deliberate on God's part. The point is that the Word is holistic enough that our fallible copies are sufficient to convey its message. If a perfect copy continued to exist too long we'd be tempted to idolize the parchment as a Nehushtan.
Since no ancient physical Q document exists, the Q construction merely recapitulates the Thomas pseudepigraph and other data. Did Jesus go to India? Perhaps, but if so it wasn't necessary for the world to know so it wasn't put in the eternal Word. Did Jesus tell a parable about an assassin? Perhaps, but it wasn't necessary to know. But what we have is sufficient. To denigrate the inspired canon and to supplant it with merely human imaginative texts is to commit two errors at once.
God’s word is in errant. if you don’t understand that, what do you say salvation on? if you can pick and choose what scriptures are truth, then you have no basis for your salvation. That is all
4th century Rome actually did.
God’s word is inerrant!
What was spoken by God is not the same as what was recorded to the books by men. The Bible has warned against the scribes distorting the law (Jeremiah 8:8) and those who read the scripture in a literal way (2 Corinthians 3:6).
Languages are made by men and are imperfect vehicles in carrying the word of God. If you want to understand the word you must go beyond the written letters.
I’m not Jesus’s lawyer, I’m only his witness. I can only tell you what he’s done in my life.
The scripture below was given to me as a memory verse before I went to go visit my family in Hawaii to be discipled by them. I had fallen away from the Lord, and I wanted to get back that Joy Of The Lord in my life. it was the best decision I ever made, besides accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior on June 21, 1990.
”As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.“
Colossians 2:6-10 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/col.2.6-10.NKJV
May you find peace and hope and faith in God‘s word moving forward. 🙏
For your information, the NET bible translates Col 2:6 as:
And the footnotes explained the rationale of such a translation.
Now what do you think are the "empty, deceitful philosophies"? What do you think are the "elemental spirits of the world"?
Got Questions describes it as the "hawking basic worldly ideas about religion and trying to pass them off as truth... whether it be rituals, asceticism, or observance of rules".
There more I read, the more I think that Paul was actually warning against the Christians of today.
The discovery of the beliefs of the disciples who walked and talked personally with Jesus, and the subsequent developments of Christian doctrines over the centuries, have prompted me to leave the orthodox tenets of belief.
Good for you.
You do you.
Who are the authors of the books of the Bible? “THE AUTHORS OF THESE BOOKS ARE MOSTLY UNKNOWN.”
pg 21, How to read your Bible; St. Joseph edition The New American Bible. Copyright 1992, 1987, 1980,1970 by Catholic Book Publishing Corp., New York, N.Y. Printed in Korea
In this link https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM every “book” has an INT, an introduction describing the contents, outline, authorship, dates of publication, etc. It also has a word glossary/index.
Example: Matthew
“The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience,”
The Book That Will Forever Change Our Ideas About The Bible https://archive.org/details/MauroBiglinoTheBookThatWillForeverChangeOurIdeasAboutTheBible2013
I’m sorry that you don’t believe that the word of God was inspired by the Holy Spirit come to be written by people that got ordained from the beginning of time.
that’s sad.
What is sola scriptura?
“The phrase sola scriptura is from the Latin: sola having the idea of “alone,” “ground,” “base,” and the word scriptura meaning “writings”—referring to the Scriptures. Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). Sola scriptura was the rallying cry of the Protestant Reformation.”
https://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html
Origin of “sola scriptura”
Westminster Confession of Faith “The Confession and Catechisms were produced in order to secure the help of the Scots against the king.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Confession_of_Faith
During the English Civil War, of which religion was a major issue, the Westminster Confession established that the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was the written Word of God, infused with infallible truth containing all that is needed for man’s “salvation, faith, and life”. According to the Westminster Confession, the Bible in its original languages contained, “the Holy Spirit speaking in Scripture”.
https://historycollection.com/18-ways-the-bible-has-changed-throughout-history/
The Naked Bible by Mauro Biglino
https://www.maurobiglino.com/en/the-naked-bible/
beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the traditions of man, according to the traditions of the world, and not according to Christ.
Colossians 2:8
Thank you - for proving my scripture.
yes, I've been studying the Q-Source for awhile now, and have read several different translations. One of my favorite sites is;
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html
and glad you posted this, think more people need to research the Q Gospel, helps to explain our Q😇
See u/RandomNumber. There is no ancient document that can be called "Q", it's an invented construction believed to have existed and to predate the inspired gospels because critics wanted to use the similarities to explain away the whole book.
There is in fact a tradition that predates the written gospels: it's the oral memory of what Jesus and the Apostles said, and appears in such places as the creed of 1 Cor. 15:3-4. There is one other potential source for this, and it's the passion portion of the Syriac (Aramaic) text of Matthew. But according to Irenaeus and Papias, this, if it was a separate conception, was just Matthew's uninspired draft of the inspired gospel he later wrote. Bible writers are allowed to write drafts before they write the inspired text: Jeremiah did. Is it possible Jesus said things that were written down but didn't make it into the inspired canon? Absolutely! John said so.
So the idea of using some construction to denigrate that which is inspired is the wrong motivation, and that's what most Quelle researchers are doing. If we take the inspired text and its human-authored context as they present themselves, we get an accurate picture without needing to pretend to construct a "superior" or "higher" text. The best course is to show all the variant and supportive readings, not to show fewer and fewer of them.
u/kkuff
yes, I'm aware that many don't 'believe' in the Q-Source, and that's fine. But it also doesn't make sense, since it's basically the common material between Matthew and Luke...🤔
it's also very close to the Jefferson Bible , so I always read it with that in mind. Thomas Jefferson has a great explanation of what he considers the definition of being a Christian; in his letter to Dr. Rush.
Godless liberals infect everything for the purpose of serving Satan, even seminaries and churches.
Searching and hunting for excuses to marginalize God's Word is another rabbit hole that serves unbelief.
If you truly surrender your life to Christ, then the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to His Word. The Bible will come alive for you and you will have the faith to trust Him.
The issue is, who will you serve? Yourself, or God?
if knowing that the Bible has been translated is rare... ...you are hanging out with the wrong Christians
In addition to Q question, I like Robert Eisenman’s 900+ page book on “James the Brother of Jesus”. Eisenman taught at California State U., Long Beach, and was a Dead Sea Scrolls expert (Qumran community). He noticed that the Gospels had passages that favor following the teachings/Books of Moses, and there are passages that seem to indicate the Torah books of Moses no longer need to be observed and followed. Matthew chapter 5 is a key chapter to look at. ___ Also, the Father’s name was taught to the disciples John 17 verse 6, yet few seek to know this as it was changed to “LORD” 7,000 times in the books of Moses, Psalms…
I have heard that the missing years were spent in England. India is a new one to me.
Wait until you find out about Japan
I've been asking the Brave browser ai 'leo' questions about this subject. At the end i typed out a thank you to it. Fascinating, i can easily see ai destroying mankind. The masters want us to give up all critical thought. Everyone's reason and logic- locked in their smartphone. For now that's good enough for them. For now.
AI is how it's referred to, but let's not forget its more of a parrot for it's programmers.
For those who said the Q source movement is a conspiracy to undermine the faith in God, ask yourself:
Serving an earthly authority over God is apostasy. And going further by proclaiming the earthly authority as true while attacking the true servants of God is inversion i.e. Satanism.
Solving The Synoptic Problem Without Q With Professor Mark Goodacre
Yes, there's quite a lot to back up the case for India, I have heard it before. You may be interested in the gospel of Thomas, apocryphal of course. The Q source has a few fans on this site, it's been posted about before. I agree with u/randomnumber on its validity, although I haven't devoted much time to it.
It’s a well-trodden field of study, but it’s largely in books and journal articles. It’s almost entirely left to Bible colleges, seminaries, and the scholarly community. It’s not something that a churchgoer will find out about from the pulpit.
I’ve found that reading books written by people who do biblical studies for a living are the best way to get into topics like this. Look at the footnotes for referenced works to start traversing the space.
Let me guess: The original Bible before it was edited by King James explained what the Deep State is and warned people about the Deep State.
Before the KJV was the Geneva Bible, which was probably the first bible to be translated by a committee, instead of a single person or any religious authority. It contained many marginal notes aimed at explaining the meaning of the verses and facilitating its understanding.
https://www.apuritansmind.com/puritan-worship/the-geneva-bible/