Not sure why folks are cheering here unless they expect the state to use their tax dollars to take this all the way to the Supreme Court for a new precedent...
The Court concluded that because "requiring the posting of the Ten Commandments in public school rooms has no secular legislative purpose," it is unconstitutional.
What is the primary purpose here? What nuance is the bill adding that it won't be shot down legally? Does this legislation give you good "feels" and make you angry when you see it questioned? If so it's likely that you're being emotionally manipulated away from things the cabal doesn't want you focused on.
Why is LA pursuing this instead of other low hanging fruit like pride or BLM flags in public spaces?
Why are LA conservatives pursuing legislation that they know will give their constituents "the feels" but will almost certainly be shut down?
Fund raising? Division? Running out the clock on real legislation? What should they have been working on that they brought this up instead?
Think. Liberals aren't the only demographic that can be emotionally manipulated.
I’m not into promoting religion in public schools, and I think secular woke philosophy should be removed from public schools, and possibly there should not be public schools. Why can a state or county force you to pay for someone else’s education? Does anyone have the right to force you to pay taxes you disagree with?___ But to the point of constitutional law, the Lemon Test of 1973 is secularist “the law is what judges say the law is” Positivism in contrast to the Common Law and moral principles based on Christian religion. Lemon Test is secularist socialist elitist post-Scottish Rite judicial activism and Oliver Wendell Holmes group-think. It is not constitutional law as enacted by We the People. Behind the Lodge Door: Church, State and Freemasonry in America, Paul Fisher https://archive.org/details/Behind_The_Lodge_Door_Paul_A._Fisher. Just as Roe v. Wade was reversed, Louisiana is aiming for the heart of the beast, the philosophical center of the elitists and their imposition of secularist and Freemasonic New Age Luciferian philosophy upon America.
thanks fren, and I agree it is important to watch for manipulation! especially when there’s border invasion, lawfare, election fraud past and present to deal with
As a christian I don't believe in state and religion being entwined. It will always end up being used maliciously and not to the benefit of the masses.
Got a good point there. We do need to remember that part of the history also, but the recent Satanists doing everything in their power to sway the kids were not good either.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
There was probably a legitimate bill brought forward that the cabal needed to railroad so they initiated this pander op. Look for recently sidelined LA bills and you'll likely see what they really feared.
OH, THE HORROR!!!!!!! Those poor Satanists will be apoplectic having their children view the Ten Commandmants every day in school. Why, with enough viewing the kids might even begin to wonder about being a Christian.
I fully expect the Satanic Temple to sue the district to have the seven tenets of Satanism to be displayed right along side the Ten Commandments.
And they'll probably win it.
I think this is just not the way to go. Does anyone really believe that having the 10 Commandments displayed in a school is going to change anyone?
I think this push to "put God back in the schools" is going to really cause more issues than it will solve. Parents or religious leaders should be the ones to instruct their children about religion. Not some teacher who most likely will have differing beliefs than theirs.
I'm sure Baptist parents would be pretty upset with a Catholic teacher telling their kids they need to say the rosary. Or a Calvinist telling them that predestination means there's no free will or something along those lines.
And then there's the issue of Non-Christian religions suing to have their religion given equal standing to Christianity in the schools.
I consider this a loss, church and state are separate. I know you people are religious but if this wasn’t the 10 commandments and was say Islam or Judaism you’d be against it. It’s good morals yes, but one crack starts the flood.
I’m all for the US constitution in every classroom though. But don’t put your religion in my face like I don’t spread my spiritualism in yours.
In Christian schools, yes, but public schools, probably not. However in all schools, the Constitution, Pledge of Allegiance and the American flag, absolutely!
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
Louisiana’s goal in this, and they could win, is a reversal of the ban on the display of the Ten Commandments, in similar fashion as Roe v. Wade was reversed: the 1973 Supreme Court erred and their mistake needed correction majority opinion in the Dobbs case reversing **Roe.*. As Mississippi won in Dobbs, Louisiana is not planning on ultimately losing. ____ Christianity is part of the common law — Justice of the Supreme Court Joseph Story https://www.classicapologetics.com/s/Story.AmJurist.1833.ComLaw.pdf
Their ideas were beautiful until you have to figure out the logistics and figure out human nature (why am I working hard when every lazy bums benefit?), then you know it doesn't work.
Thomas Jefferson attended church held in …. the Capitol! —inside the House of Representatives side. The difference between Thomas Jefferson and James Madison: T.J. rode his own horse to get to church, while the next president James Madison rode in a coach pulled by four horses. https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html____ Jefferson did not believe on miracles, he was a French Enlightenment enthusiast like Thomas Paine, so Jefferson was not exactly doing anything more than what was expected at the time, to show public respect to God.
1st Amendment original meaning of Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Some States had official churches established and supported by taxes, some did and then dis-established them. The 1st Amendment has absolutely nothing at all to do with prohibiting states from promoting theism, having an established church, displaying the 10 Dabarym (Hebrew word is “Statements” or “Words”). Virginia was Episcopal but James Madison, not Congress, convinced the representatives of Virginia to dis-establish before the new Constitution and Bill of Rights. Massachusetts was Congregational until 1833. They, not secular and Scottish Rite judges, knew what the 1st Amendment meant, and still means today.. The Supreme Court did not tell Massachusetts what to do, their sentiment changed over the decades. Louisiana is aiming for the Supreme Court to stop telling them how to teach their children. This could be the end o fScottish Rite secularism and. New Age teaching and jurisprudence. Behind the Lodge Door:: Church, State and Freemasonry in America, Paul Fisher https://archive.org/details/Behind_The_Lodge_Door_Paul_A._Fisher
Maybe it's time to become an unabashedly Christian nation. Filter government decisions through a Christian perspective. Many/ most won't like it, tough, go be godless heathens somewhere else. We'll come evangelize to you later.
Louisiana has turned a corner and has been killing it since we got our new governor. This bill. Plus arresting the illegals, abortion ban, & rejecting the WHO treaty. Back during covid we had a D governor who sent sick people back into nursing homes.
It feels nice, tbh. I don't think this will stand either, but we'll see. We all should write and tell them to do the same with the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of Independence. They need to start teaching cursive again as well. I'm very happy constitutional carry was passed too.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
Not sure why folks are cheering here unless they expect the state to use their tax dollars to take this all the way to the Supreme Court for a new precedent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_v._Graham
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_v._Kurtzman
The three parts of the Lemon test are Purpose, Effect, and Entanglement. Has LA satisfied those?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCreary_County_v._American_Civil_Liberties_Union
What is the primary purpose here? What nuance is the bill adding that it won't be shot down legally? Does this legislation give you good "feels" and make you angry when you see it questioned? If so it's likely that you're being emotionally manipulated away from things the cabal doesn't want you focused on.
Why is LA pursuing this instead of other low hanging fruit like pride or BLM flags in public spaces?
Why are LA conservatives pursuing legislation that they know will give their constituents "the feels" but will almost certainly be shut down?
Fund raising? Division? Running out the clock on real legislation? What should they have been working on that they brought this up instead?
Think. Liberals aren't the only demographic that can be emotionally manipulated.
Agreed completely.
Thank you. You are very clear about this.
Wonderful pede.
I’m not into promoting religion in public schools, and I think secular woke philosophy should be removed from public schools, and possibly there should not be public schools. Why can a state or county force you to pay for someone else’s education? Does anyone have the right to force you to pay taxes you disagree with?___ But to the point of constitutional law, the Lemon Test of 1973 is secularist “the law is what judges say the law is” Positivism in contrast to the Common Law and moral principles based on Christian religion. Lemon Test is secularist socialist elitist post-Scottish Rite judicial activism and Oliver Wendell Holmes group-think. It is not constitutional law as enacted by We the People. Behind the Lodge Door: Church, State and Freemasonry in America, Paul Fisher https://archive.org/details/Behind_The_Lodge_Door_Paul_A._Fisher. Just as Roe v. Wade was reversed, Louisiana is aiming for the heart of the beast, the philosophical center of the elitists and their imposition of secularist and Freemasonic New Age Luciferian philosophy upon America.
Good points fren. Hope that's what this is and not what I suggested.
thanks fren, and I agree it is important to watch for manipulation! especially when there’s border invasion, lawfare, election fraud past and present to deal with
Yeah I feel like this won’t stand.
Aah yeah. Most likely.
Next, do the Constitution.
In all schools
That should be a class requirement.
As a christian I don't believe in state and religion being entwined. It will always end up being used maliciously and not to the benefit of the masses.
Got a good point there. We do need to remember that part of the history also, but the recent Satanists doing everything in their power to sway the kids were not good either.
Agreed.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
It's a pander op.
There was probably a legitimate bill brought forward that the cabal needed to railroad so they initiated this pander op. Look for recently sidelined LA bills and you'll likely see what they really feared.
YES!!!
OH, THE HORROR!!!!!!! Those poor Satanists will be apoplectic having their children view the Ten Commandmants every day in school. Why, with enough viewing the kids might even begin to wonder about being a Christian.
I fully expect the Satanic Temple to sue the district to have the seven tenets of Satanism to be displayed right along side the Ten Commandments.
And they'll probably win it.
I think this is just not the way to go. Does anyone really believe that having the 10 Commandments displayed in a school is going to change anyone?
I think this push to "put God back in the schools" is going to really cause more issues than it will solve. Parents or religious leaders should be the ones to instruct their children about religion. Not some teacher who most likely will have differing beliefs than theirs.
I'm sure Baptist parents would be pretty upset with a Catholic teacher telling their kids they need to say the rosary. Or a Calvinist telling them that predestination means there's no free will or something along those lines.
And then there's the issue of Non-Christian religions suing to have their religion given equal standing to Christianity in the schools.
Howls.
I consider this a loss, church and state are separate. I know you people are religious but if this wasn’t the 10 commandments and was say Islam or Judaism you’d be against it. It’s good morals yes, but one crack starts the flood.
I’m all for the US constitution in every classroom though. But don’t put your religion in my face like I don’t spread my spiritualism in yours.
Didn't think of that. I understand what you mean.
In Christian schools, yes, but public schools, probably not. However in all schools, the Constitution, Pledge of Allegiance and the American flag, absolutely!
I agree with you!
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
Countering the Satanists agenda? They were doing things like that but 10 commandments would be countering them.
What do you think?
seems pretty unconstitutional to me
Amen.
Praise God! Make sure he signs.
I would like to see it, but folks here said it will only lead to litigation. Let's see what happen.
They should display the Bill of Rights too.
I agree.
TEN out of TEN.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
Tiny wins keep us busy while they take the house
If passed, says a lot for these people, common sense is not dead. Kudos for those sho voted yes.
We have quite a few who disagree with having the ten commandments in school.
big IF
Louisiana’s goal in this, and they could win, is a reversal of the ban on the display of the Ten Commandments, in similar fashion as Roe v. Wade was reversed: the 1973 Supreme Court erred and their mistake needed correction majority opinion in the Dobbs case reversing **Roe.*. As Mississippi won in Dobbs, Louisiana is not planning on ultimately losing. ____ Christianity is part of the common law — Justice of the Supreme Court Joseph Story https://www.classicapologetics.com/s/Story.AmJurist.1833.ComLaw.pdf
Thank you so much. I appreciate your information.
You know Roe v Wade was a lie to begin with.. I saw that a while back and the woman was paid to do that.
Yes, I remember that too! It seems that is how marxist socialists operate, on lies.
Their ideas were beautiful until you have to figure out the logistics and figure out human nature (why am I working hard when every lazy bums benefit?), then you know it doesn't work.
Just look at history.
Thomas Jefferson attended church held in …. the Capitol! —inside the House of Representatives side. The difference between Thomas Jefferson and James Madison: T.J. rode his own horse to get to church, while the next president James Madison rode in a coach pulled by four horses. https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html____ Jefferson did not believe on miracles, he was a French Enlightenment enthusiast like Thomas Paine, so Jefferson was not exactly doing anything more than what was expected at the time, to show public respect to God.
Founding fathers were all Christians or at least show respect to God. Now all these commies are into taking for selves.
1st Amendment original meaning of Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Some States had official churches established and supported by taxes, some did and then dis-established them. The 1st Amendment has absolutely nothing at all to do with prohibiting states from promoting theism, having an established church, displaying the 10 Dabarym (Hebrew word is “Statements” or “Words”). Virginia was Episcopal but James Madison, not Congress, convinced the representatives of Virginia to dis-establish before the new Constitution and Bill of Rights. Massachusetts was Congregational until 1833. They, not secular and Scottish Rite judges, knew what the 1st Amendment meant, and still means today.. The Supreme Court did not tell Massachusetts what to do, their sentiment changed over the decades. Louisiana is aiming for the Supreme Court to stop telling them how to teach their children. This could be the end o fScottish Rite secularism and. New Age teaching and jurisprudence. Behind the Lodge Door:: Church, State and Freemasonry in America, Paul Fisher https://archive.org/details/Behind_The_Lodge_Door_Paul_A._Fisher
LA has been passing good laws lately...banning geoengineering, for one.
Yes. LA not Los Angeles but Louisiana.
Yes. Louisiana
Maybe it's time to become an unabashedly Christian nation. Filter government decisions through a Christian perspective. Many/ most won't like it, tough, go be godless heathens somewhere else. We'll come evangelize to you later.
Amen to that fact.
You would never think LA is the state to be leading the pack
We do things on principle
Nice.
Louisiana has turned a corner and has been killing it since we got our new governor. This bill. Plus arresting the illegals, abortion ban, & rejecting the WHO treaty. Back during covid we had a D governor who sent sick people back into nursing homes.
LA doing good thing.
It feels nice, tbh. I don't think this will stand either, but we'll see. We all should write and tell them to do the same with the constitution, bill of rights and declaration of Independence. They need to start teaching cursive again as well. I'm very happy constitutional carry was passed too.
I agree we need to be teaching the constitution.
I don't see what purpose this serves only to lead to litigation that will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. If you want to display something in schools, start with the Constitution and no other flags except the American flag.
Is this only for government schools?
I think so. Religious schools should have that automatically, right?