According to ousted Archbishop Vigano, Francis is like resident Biden. He's not a true Pope but an imposter who took the seat of authority without the prerequisite desire to comply with the traditions and church beliefs established since the time of Peter. His words and actions or lack thereof give proof that he is not in alignment with church doctrine. Not speaking out against the Olympics is a perfect example. It shows his tacit approval and only the latest of many examples Vigano cites for calling Francis out.
There is no "true pope". There's no call in the Bible for a "pope" to exist.
The notion that Catholics have abducted Peter into role of "pope" and thinking they developed pedigreed lineage of flawless, sinless popes that weren't at all flawed until the advent of social media, and hold the patent on Christianity to the exclusion of all who protest (i.e. protestants), is ridiculous.
This comment is not directed towards CMAnon. It's more directed at people who place Vigano on a pedestal because he has taken baby steps towards protesting the Catholic church and therefore became a better Catholic, instead of a better Protestant.
From my observation, it's akin to Bill Maher scolding leftists for being too wacky, or Ana Kasparian of the Young Turks scolding her fellow communists for looting too many stores.
Jesus Christ said Peter was a little pebble and that He Christ is the ROCK upon which the churchb
would be built. Bible says Christ is the head of the church. Peter never even went to Rome in the bible, in fact he disappeared after a dispute with Paul and the bible never mentions him again. Paul in the other hand did onto Rome against God's directive. PAUL ended up in prison.
To add to that, Jesus Christ said there were at least 7 completely independent churches in the book of Revelation, of which 5 were scolded for wrongdoing and threatening them that if they didn't get their shit together, their church would be taken from them.
And also in Mark 9:38:
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part. 41For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
John the apostle said "hey these guys over there are starting their own church can we stop them?" and Jesus said "no".
Catholics didn't abduct Peter, Christ chose him. Matthew 16:18. From then until today there has been an unbroken line of disciples who have filled the seat of Peter otherwise known as Popes. Flawed, yes? Sinless, no? Vigano, is rightfully calling out Jorge Bergoglio to resign.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
According to John 8:31-32, all Christians are disciples.
If you actually meant "apostles", Acts 1:22 explains what an apostle was, that there was only 12 of them, minus one who needed to be replaced.
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
The rules of being an apostle were laid out to be
with the 11 apostles from the time John was baptizing until the time Jesus ascended to heaven on the Mt. of Olives
actually witnessed the resurrection
No Catholic popes were apostles by that definition, and regardless of the catholic gross misinterpretation of Matthew 16:18, Peter was not the first pope.
Vigano is protesting the catholic church, and by catholic church definition Vigano is no longer a catholic because he was excommunicated. He is a protestant.
My arguments referenced actual scripture. If you have some counter-point to debunk my points, I'd expect it to come from the only material we both agree is legitimate, the 66 canonical books of the Bible.
We can agree that scripture is a standard of truth but Sola Scriptura is not the only truth. no biblical passage teaches that Scripture is the formal authority or rule of faith in isolation from the Church and Tradition. The Word of God comes through oral teaching as well as scripture. It's referenced in scripture - "“For twenty-three years . . . the word of the Lord has come to me and I have spoken to you again and again . . . ‘But you did not listen to me,’ declares the Lord. . . . Therefore the Lord Almighty says this: ‘Because you have not listened to my words. . . .’” Jer. 25:3, 7-8
“When you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God” (1 Thess. 2:13).
“Keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us” (2 Thess. 3:6).
I'm nor trying to get into a religious argument but simply point to the fact that as brothers in Christ there can be legitmate disagreements over the meaning of words, passages, etc. I'm familiar with many of the arguments but one compelling idea to me is the one of authority. When you dig deep into the early church fathers it's hard to ignore the legitimacy of Catholicism. This is why many top Protestant theologians have converted. People like Scott Hahn, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Dr. A. David Anders, and many others. And I'm sure that they, as well as many other Catholics don't feel Francis is legitimately "Pope" regardless of him occupying the head of the church anymore than most of us don't believe Biden is legitimately the president.
Finally, the fact that Francis excommunicated Vigaro doesn't make the Archbisop Protestant. Vigaro believes traditional Church doctrine fully and is calling out Francis for diluting and subverting it and the teachings of Christ.
no biblical passage teaches that Scripture is the formal authority or rule of faith in isolation from the Church and Tradition
No biblical passage teaches that Church tradition is to be valued. But the bible does say that
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
But it doesn't say that Church tradition is profitable. In fact, Jesus doesn't speak favorably of tradition, such as Mark 7:8-9
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
and
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
There are literally dozens of examples of Jesus dissing tradition, yet not a single time is tradition mentioned favorably in the Bible.
Aside from
Keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us
The key there is "that you received from us". That came from Paul. All of Paul's "traditions" are canonical scripture.
Catholic traditions mean nothing to me because many are contradictory of the Bible. Purgatory, praying to saints and Mary instead of God, indulgences, etc.
Just to highlight the idiocy of it, you have the 50 hail Marys that are taught that Catholics should include in their prayers. There are about 1.4 billion Catholics in the world. If every Catholic were to pray 50 hail Marys only once each day, that's 7000000000 prayers each day that Mary would be expected to heed. There are 86400 seconds in a day.
That means Mary would be tending to 4.86 million prayers per minute, 81,000 prayers per second. Catholics literally ascribe omnipotence to Mary, and nothing can be found in the 66 canonical books to suggest anyone but God could do that.
This asshole is a devil communist! Remember he was born & raised in Argentina. Who helped the nazis escape Europe & resettle in Argentina? Of course the answer is the Vatican. The Vatican gave passage, passports & $$ to thenazis. The vatican has always been corrupt & this turd is at the head of the snake!
There is a Jesus / God movement going thru the world right now that the Pope / Church is not a part of. They haven't even acknowledged it. Let that sink in.
That dude doesn't speak for the Catholic Church, and neither do you, fren. You maybe haven't been in a Catholic church, don't know about our missions, or the internal fights over how our money gets spent. I love you man, but think about how DC doesn't represent Americans, and extrapolate.
The pope hasn’t called it out because he is liberal and a satanist. He is more than a disgrace to the Catholic religion. The black pope, evil incarnate.
The following Sunday AM, my parish priest spoke about it, and he was angry. I guess Francis is okay with rank and file doing his duties. /s
That said, I get the feeling my parish priest does not like and/or respect Francis. He will constantly refer to things Benedict wrote or said. I have never heard him refer to Francis. A "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" vibe.
He is anti-pope. History has recorded quite a few of them. When disclosure happens people will realize the church has been worshipping saturn/satan for all this time in secret and organized religion will simply cease to exist. A huge crisis in faith followed what I suspect is an awakened consciousness to the higher dimensions will trigger a great awakening.
This is in line with St. Malachy and the final prophecy of the church. We are living in the end times.
Hol' up. Do you not think that if the 'whole church' was worshipping Saturn, the bad guys would still be burning down churches and martyring the few holy priests left? Don't you think Catholic priests would not have been banned from army hospitals, Catholics wouldn't be on fbi watch lists? C'mon man.
people will realize the church has been worshipping saturn/satan for all this time in secret and organized religion will simply cease to exist
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edit- someone who downvotes me thinks we should keep organized religion and that the Catholic church has not in fact been worshipping saturn/satan for all this time?
WAKE UP PLEASE, dig into the topic without a bias! See what those you disagree with have to say! Look at how the first churches were set up and contrast that with what we have today. It is utterly corrupt the higher up the heirarchy you go...
Vigano is the head of the catholic church as far as I'm concerned.
He's excommunicated, but he is the head of the faith.
According to ousted Archbishop Vigano, Francis is like resident Biden. He's not a true Pope but an imposter who took the seat of authority without the prerequisite desire to comply with the traditions and church beliefs established since the time of Peter. His words and actions or lack thereof give proof that he is not in alignment with church doctrine. Not speaking out against the Olympics is a perfect example. It shows his tacit approval and only the latest of many examples Vigano cites for calling Francis out.
There is no "true pope". There's no call in the Bible for a "pope" to exist.
The notion that Catholics have abducted Peter into role of "pope" and thinking they developed pedigreed lineage of flawless, sinless popes that weren't at all flawed until the advent of social media, and hold the patent on Christianity to the exclusion of all who protest (i.e. protestants), is ridiculous.
This comment is not directed towards CMAnon. It's more directed at people who place Vigano on a pedestal because he has taken baby steps towards protesting the Catholic church and therefore became a better Catholic, instead of a better Protestant.
From my observation, it's akin to Bill Maher scolding leftists for being too wacky, or Ana Kasparian of the Young Turks scolding her fellow communists for looting too many stores.
Jesus Christ said Peter was a little pebble and that He Christ is the ROCK upon which the churchb would be built. Bible says Christ is the head of the church. Peter never even went to Rome in the bible, in fact he disappeared after a dispute with Paul and the bible never mentions him again. Paul in the other hand did onto Rome against God's directive. PAUL ended up in prison.
Which bible are you quoting this from? "Jesus Christ said Peter was a little pebble and that He Christ is the ROCK upon which the church"
I agree.
To add to that, Jesus Christ said there were at least 7 completely independent churches in the book of Revelation, of which 5 were scolded for wrongdoing and threatening them that if they didn't get their shit together, their church would be taken from them.
And also in Mark 9:38:
John the apostle said "hey these guys over there are starting their own church can we stop them?" and Jesus said "no".
Catholics didn't abduct Peter, Christ chose him. Matthew 16:18. From then until today there has been an unbroken line of disciples who have filled the seat of Peter otherwise known as Popes. Flawed, yes? Sinless, no? Vigano, is rightfully calling out Jorge Bergoglio to resign.
"unbroken line of disciples"
This is what Jesus actually says:
According to John 8:31-32, all Christians are disciples.
If you actually meant "apostles", Acts 1:22 explains what an apostle was, that there was only 12 of them, minus one who needed to be replaced.
The rules of being an apostle were laid out to be
with the 11 apostles from the time John was baptizing until the time Jesus ascended to heaven on the Mt. of Olives
actually witnessed the resurrection
No Catholic popes were apostles by that definition, and regardless of the catholic gross misinterpretation of Matthew 16:18, Peter was not the first pope.
Vigano is protesting the catholic church, and by catholic church definition Vigano is no longer a catholic because he was excommunicated. He is a protestant.
This might bring some clarity regarding the successors of Peter.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/peter-and-his-successors
My arguments referenced actual scripture. If you have some counter-point to debunk my points, I'd expect it to come from the only material we both agree is legitimate, the 66 canonical books of the Bible.
We can agree that scripture is a standard of truth but Sola Scriptura is not the only truth. no biblical passage teaches that Scripture is the formal authority or rule of faith in isolation from the Church and Tradition. The Word of God comes through oral teaching as well as scripture. It's referenced in scripture - "“For twenty-three years . . . the word of the Lord has come to me and I have spoken to you again and again . . . ‘But you did not listen to me,’ declares the Lord. . . . Therefore the Lord Almighty says this: ‘Because you have not listened to my words. . . .’” Jer. 25:3, 7-8
“When you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God” (1 Thess. 2:13).
“Keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us” (2 Thess. 3:6).
I'm nor trying to get into a religious argument but simply point to the fact that as brothers in Christ there can be legitmate disagreements over the meaning of words, passages, etc. I'm familiar with many of the arguments but one compelling idea to me is the one of authority. When you dig deep into the early church fathers it's hard to ignore the legitimacy of Catholicism. This is why many top Protestant theologians have converted. People like Scott Hahn, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Dr. A. David Anders, and many others. And I'm sure that they, as well as many other Catholics don't feel Francis is legitimately "Pope" regardless of him occupying the head of the church anymore than most of us don't believe Biden is legitimately the president.
Finally, the fact that Francis excommunicated Vigaro doesn't make the Archbisop Protestant. Vigaro believes traditional Church doctrine fully and is calling out Francis for diluting and subverting it and the teachings of Christ.
No biblical passage teaches that Church tradition is to be valued. But the bible does say that
But it doesn't say that Church tradition is profitable. In fact, Jesus doesn't speak favorably of tradition, such as Mark 7:8-9
and
There are literally dozens of examples of Jesus dissing tradition, yet not a single time is tradition mentioned favorably in the Bible.
Aside from
The key there is "that you received from us". That came from Paul. All of Paul's "traditions" are canonical scripture.
Catholic traditions mean nothing to me because many are contradictory of the Bible. Purgatory, praying to saints and Mary instead of God, indulgences, etc.
Just to highlight the idiocy of it, you have the 50 hail Marys that are taught that Catholics should include in their prayers. There are about 1.4 billion Catholics in the world. If every Catholic were to pray 50 hail Marys only once each day, that's 7000000000 prayers each day that Mary would be expected to heed. There are 86400 seconds in a day.
That means Mary would be tending to 4.86 million prayers per minute, 81,000 prayers per second. Catholics literally ascribe omnipotence to Mary, and nothing can be found in the 66 canonical books to suggest anyone but God could do that.
Um... because he's part of it?
Exacatly. He's one of them.
He's still beating off to it.
False Prophet
I do not think that word means what you think it means. There are a lot of those around today, but Francis ain't that. Worse, maybe.
This asshole is a devil communist! Remember he was born & raised in Argentina. Who helped the nazis escape Europe & resettle in Argentina? Of course the answer is the Vatican. The Vatican gave passage, passports & $$ to thenazis. The vatican has always been corrupt & this turd is at the head of the snake!
Many such secrets...
There is a Jesus / God movement going thru the world right now that the Pope / Church is not a part of. They haven't even acknowledged it. Let that sink in.
That dude doesn't speak for the Catholic Church, and neither do you, fren. You maybe haven't been in a Catholic church, don't know about our missions, or the internal fights over how our money gets spent. I love you man, but think about how DC doesn't represent Americans, and extrapolate.
A satanic wolf among lambs.
https://time.com/6320335/pope-francis-inclusion-lgbtq-religion/
The pope hasn’t called it out because he is liberal and a satanist. He is more than a disgrace to the Catholic religion. The black pope, evil incarnate.
The Pope is part of it!
This fake and gay Pope looks like a retard and I'm done pretending not seeing it
Nitter Link : https://nitter.poast.org/ShadowofEzra/status/1819933351853121620
Infiltrated
Because he approves.
The following Sunday AM, my parish priest spoke about it, and he was angry. I guess Francis is okay with rank and file doing his duties. /s
That said, I get the feeling my parish priest does not like and/or respect Francis. He will constantly refer to things Benedict wrote or said. I have never heard him refer to Francis. A "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" vibe.
Cause THIS DEVIL
Has dates lined up with trannies DICK-pecting the Last Supper of Evil
They ALWAYS Mirror thru their ignorant darkness the Light
They "try" to distinguish.....
Not going to happen dark bichs !!!
He is anti-pope. History has recorded quite a few of them. When disclosure happens people will realize the church has been worshipping saturn/satan for all this time in secret and organized religion will simply cease to exist. A huge crisis in faith followed what I suspect is an awakened consciousness to the higher dimensions will trigger a great awakening.
This is in line with St. Malachy and the final prophecy of the church. We are living in the end times.
Hol' up. Do you not think that if the 'whole church' was worshipping Saturn, the bad guys would still be burning down churches and martyring the few holy priests left? Don't you think Catholic priests would not have been banned from army hospitals, Catholics wouldn't be on fbi watch lists? C'mon man.
💯💯💯
edit- someone who downvotes me thinks we should keep organized religion and that the Catholic church has not in fact been worshipping saturn/satan for all this time?
WAKE UP PLEASE, dig into the topic without a bias! See what those you disagree with have to say! Look at how the first churches were set up and contrast that with what we have today. It is utterly corrupt the higher up the heirarchy you go...
It would be fake anyway. He loves it. All of it everywhere.
Because he loves child penis