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This prophecy was 100% already "fulfilled"
The abomination of desolation was Rome. The holist of holies was the temple. Rome's armies surrounded the temple and started to lay siege to it in 70 AD. (Christians fled to the mountains as scripture instructed) That's when the sacrifice was ended and the temple was destroyed. Rome went inside the temple behind the veil were only the high priest was allowed (the holiest of holies)
All your destruction language and bowls of wrath were clearly poured out upon Jerusalem during that time if you read the secular accounts. Really crazy, scary, and gruesome stuff. There was even a comet hanging above the city like a sword in the sky for days and days.
Before His death Jesus said this generation shall not pass till all these things take place. It did.
The parallels are very obvious. The seven-headed, 10 horned beast = Rome had seven hills with 10 governors. Caesars claimed to be God above all other gods and didn't care who you worshiped as long as you submitted and said “Kaiser kurios” which translates to “Caesar is Lord.” And if you refuse to say that, which many Christians did because Jesus is Lord, you would be executed. I could go on and on.
Could there be a second event that resembles it? Maybe. God sometimes does that. But you need to understand that it definitely already was fulfilled which by definition means there could be no future fulfillment, but there can be events that resemble it or mirror it.
My point being don't get your expectations up and don't think that God failed in prophecy some way, He nailed it long ago. So much so that It caused Christianity to explode because people of that time certainly saw and understood just how accurate those prophecies had been and how specifically they had been fulfilled.
I believe Jesus' words were 100% accurate and He returned in 70 A.D. Exactly as he said countless times in the New Testament he would and we are merely in Satan's little season after he was let out of the pit. Look at the Statue of Liberty. It's Lucifer with the chains broken at his feet.
Awesome stuff. This is where I am at myself too. And how I got there was about a year ago I was reading revelation and just tired and confused about all the theories (futuristic), so I stopped analyzing and just prayed and asked God what is the actual truth here. And when I was reading over the trumpets I heard as clear as day, “these already happened”. And then it all kind of clicked and felt something was really off with dispensationalism. Did some research going down that rabbit hole and realized we are much farther in the timeline than the church teaches us. Once you see it, you can’t unsee. It’s been wild living in this matrix lol.
Agreed u/ShakeAndBake1776!
It would be the equivalent of books written today in 2024 prophesying that the savior would return in the year 4024… completely ridiculous. it already happened and Satan has the world fooled.
"Full picture would put 99% of people in the hospital" ~Q
Welcome to reality. Only Satan's little season could have this much evil.
I sometimes wonder if we are already at the end of the point when God let Satan out 1000 years later....Christianity rules Europe for 1000 years, it might have been called the dark ages & etc but it doesn't mean it was dark. One thing is for sure: Many churches were built in those days....
It's called the dark ages because there aren't many records of the era.
Yepp I can absolutely see that. And according to our history books the “enlightenment” period happened next after the dark ages. Enlightenment could mean Lucifer. Basically when “the science” changed everything we thought we knew about the world and the cosmos. And the old world buildings/cathedrals makes no sense how they were built with the technology of the time. Like the pyramids, I believe there was another type of energy source has now been hidden/destroyed.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one who could see it.
This scenario makes Luke, Matthew and Gabriel liars. This is not possible. See the Oliver Discourse for the explanation of how the destruction took place in 70 a.d. and will again in the future.
I think we all understand and can agree on one point… Satan's tentacles of deception have left no establishment, party, or book unadulterated.
Q pointed this out.
We must unlearn what we have been taught.
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English landscapes completely destroyed and transformed from their intelligent, methodical, productive/bountiful configurations, into non-productive "natural" appearing parks by literally moving thousands of tons of earth and redirecting rivers, streams and waterways... Courtesy of Capability Brown after the old world was conquered... It's well documented, as insanely impossible as it may seem.
The Enclosures Act of 1801
Right on the money as usual u/TaQo!
No it doesn't necessarily. It could however mean your interpretation wrong. I touched on the olivet discourse in another comment if you'd like to look at my post history.
Maybe try asking questions if you encounter something you're not familiar with.
There is nothing in the olivet discourse that conflicts with post millennialism and Jesus having not only come on the clouds in judgment on Jerusalem in 70 AD with the full acknowledgment that there will be final judgment in the future..... With no rapture in between and not constrained by any timeline that has already been fulfilled previously.
The only thing we can be sure of is whatever the main stream belief/understanding is, is absolutely not the TRUTH.
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If there is a second coming, widely accepted, why could there not be a second fulfillment?
This is not to say that we should not remain skeptical of everything until proven and in a mindset of prayer and seeking repentance.
There was a second coming. Jesus came on the clouds in judgment on time and as promised and destroyed the city of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Exactly when He promised He would.
All that's left is final judgment. That's when the wicked will be swept off the Earth just as in the days of Noah.
You maybe under the influence of premillennial dispensationalism, aka the believe in the rapture, which is an eschatological position that Only became popular over the last couple hundred years with the publication of the Schofield reference Bible which was the first Bible to have eschatological footnotes and it was widely adopted by pastors and seminaries spreading this very fringe view of the end times (also known as darbyism). It is not what Christians believed or understood for about 1800 years.
Arguably the greatest lie the devil's ever interjected into the church. No one polishes brass on a sinking ship.
God wins down here. We don't get a big L and get yeeted up into heaven.
But could there be a second event that resembles it of some type? Yes that's absolutely possible. I'm not going to put God in a box. But it's important to first understand that this has indeed been fulfilled. And by definition fulfilled means when it's done once it is completely fulfilled It cannot be "fulfilled" again. A similar event can transpire that is exactly the same or that resembles it but that is no longer called fulfilling anything. It's just showing what a masterful and sovereign storyteller God is.
Oh I’m on the warpath against premillennial dispensationalism myself, but as I noted to someone else a few days ago, my scriptural depth of knowledge is not the deepest, which can be both an advantage (fresh eyes of a child) and an obvious disadvantage.
Which verses foretell and document this? I was under the impression Rome did that.
Again, which verses point to this?
Thanks!
Several Bible verses speak about Jesus coming on the clouds and the theme of judgment. Here are some key passages:
1. Matthew 24:30
"Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
2. Revelation 1:7
"Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."
3. Daniel 7:13-14
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."
4. Mark 14:61-62
"But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, 'Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?' And Jesus said, 'I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.'"
5. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord."
These verses collectively emphasize the imagery of Jesus coming on the clouds, a symbol of divine authority, power, and judgment, consistent with both Old and New Testament themes.
I just used my customized theological AI to throw that together really quick. I'm remodeling a house right now so I don't have a lot of time.
I've curated a YouTube playlist with extensive resources about post-millennialism and all the timelines the versus the debates the sermons here if you want to go through and pick out whatever interests you. These are the best of the best https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm4vxYfDpoYaWjqK76eZukIyKtyX5Xa-J&si=1KlDrtcw7B6wm3Zn
u/AmateurExpert look up Josephus the historian's eyewitness account of what happened… "Chariots and men among the clouds around Jerusalem."
That's a wild rabbit hole. There was another contemporary historian that also documented it. Seek and you will find brother.
While you're at it, look up the 1797 painting titled "Lucifer summoning his legions." Spot on match for the Statue of Liberty. The Statue of Liberty is complete with broken chains at the base. We are living in Satan's little season. If we were, the first thing to happen when he got out would be for him to crush all knowledge of this merely on principal for the deception to work.
Where did the people go that had knowledge of this? Look up insane asylums. Why does Trump mention insane asylums repeatedly? I think it's Comms. 👀
Unfortunately the Bible offers little detailed information about how the end of Satan's little season will go.
We wake up to the truth. All lies exposed. We break the bondage of deception and live in harmony and frequency.
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Excellent summary. Most of the New Testament prophecies have been fulfilled in the past. Many on this board as dispensationalists. I am a recovering dispensationalist Christian.
BTW "Mystery Babylon" was Jerusalem - the city were the Messiah was crucified. It also is a city that sits on 7 hills. Revelation 11:8 (KJV) -“And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.” Roman obviously was part of the "beast" system but "Mystery Babylon" was 1st century Jerusalem. As you pointed out the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. along with the entire city.