I have insurance from United thru my years of service to a large southern state. They are incessant about trying to set up a "free in home health check up." I always decline by saying my doctor is just a few miles away and super convenient. That does not deter them. They are also overly pushy about sending kits for a stool sample. I just put them in file 13.
I view the home visits as a scouting missions for nefarious reasons. I view the stool samples as vain attempts to get DNA and sell to highest multiples of bidders. In short, when the gov't or pharma offer ANYTHING free, it is regarded as a red flag warning. Neither entity has a shred of credibility in my book. Lastly, isn't this the very thing that HIPPA laws are supposed to protect us from? Who dropped the ball on that United Health Care?
I am dealing with this very same thing. My friend is older, retired from the state of Nevada. “Home health” is constantly sending dna mouth swabs and insisting that she has a home visit. She refuses and they won’t let up. Very sketchy.
Humana was the same way!!!!! They'd call and bug me daily. They'd have the "special agency" that did these "free home checks" call me. I finally sent them a letter telling them I DID NOT WANT anyone coming to my house nor did I NEED a "home check" - they finally stopped after a year. Why tf they need to come to my house? Nope. I was and still am a hard NO.
Told them I am PHYSICALLY disabled, my mind still works just fine.
I'm wondering if the whole evidence set to make it seem like it was some disgruntled policy holder or relative of a policy holder is just cover for an actual, professional, hitman. Even an amateur wouldn't leave such blatant evidence, especially the gun and backpack. Why wouldn't he just bring them with him when he fled the city?
Ive been saying this since day 1 and everyone here just ignores me. Its all too neat. The breadcrumbs discovered in a timely way leading us to the exact narrative they are pushing using our biases against us. Its all too obvious. Playbook known. This is how they run all their FF ops. I have been saddened by all the commenters here taking it events at face value without a modicum of discernment and ignoring all the lessons we have learned over 8 years. Of course the fedbois are all over this story here at GAW making sure the sheep stay in the corral.
I agree, especially after seeing the videos about the masks they have now, even the ones available on Amazon. Part of the plan would be to let the “face” be seen.
Especially with a witness right there. Could of course be fake and gay, but could also be an absolute amateur. Was it a single shot.22 cal? Overall terrible performance.
Why would a professional hitman bring a cell phone AKA personal tracking device to the scene of an assassination? Makes no sense. Even an amateur would know to leave your phone and identifying personal items at home for a few hours lol
He left it there intentionally to throw cops off the scent or down a different path, possibly a burner or a patsy's he set up.
United healthcare is notorious. It's 32% claim rejection rate is legendary. It's an unbelievable frustration for physicians trying to get coverage for care for their patients. You spend hours on the phone with them. You pour man-hours into the prior authorization paper work. You document. You explain. You cajole. Then they reject the claim and meanwhile while you're dicking around with this bureaucratic nonsense, your patient is not getting treatment. The patient gets the shaft while they post record profits for their shareholders.
I totally understand the emotions swirling about the CEO's murder. It's reprehensible to try and hold one person's life as punishment for an entire organization like this, or to call for his death at all. That's not moral, but I understand.
Insurance as a for-profit enterprise is a major drain on the US healthcare system. You need a profit motive to get people to be willing to take on the financial risk the business entails. That's Econ 101, but these guys have too many laws and policies that allow them too much safety from paying claims they should be paying.
Fixing it is not simple however. A scalpel is needed. Maybe one of those monstrously large scalpels they use for autopsies, but a scalpel, and not a chainsaw.
I've been on disability since 2008, had Humana. I was determined disabled bc I'd had 3 lumbar surgeries with accompanied nerve damage before I was 30. In 2023, I had a 4th multi level lumbar fusion. 4 months later, cardio wanted to do a stress test. Did the auth for a nuclear stress test cuz I can't run - on a treadmill or anywhere else. Those idiots DENIED the nuclear stress test because there was NO PROOF I COULDNT RUN ON A TREADMILL!!! Yes, I lost my shit. Not only that, but if they hadn't denied it, my co pay would have been $350. So, they weren't going to be carrying the entire payment due. It's a crock. And I'm at a loss how they expect anyone on disability or Soc Sec to pay an out the blue $350 bill. You don't get to save or really invest money when you become disabled at 38 and have 2 kids to care for. Seems to me, they should only be allowed a certain % of profit. They deny care or charge such an exorbitant co pay that you can't afford it anyway while pocketing billions in profit.
Humana's no better. I had the misfortune to require their services for a few years now. The copays are ridiculous, even on their "good" plans, and of course, just like anyone else, they like denying claims. Every time I needed a new medication, we went through several rounds of denials before the doc got on the phone and chewed their consultant doctor's ass until he approved it. They create these protocols in the way they do to make it easy to deny expensive therapies.
I think your last line is key. They bleed their patients dry while positing billions in profit. Morally, we think of healthcare as a non-profit concept. We need the business acumen to keep the system running efficiently. We need the brain in the system, but we also need the heart - and it's tough to design a system that relies on people choosing to be decent and moral people. You can't legislate that, and it's very tough to run a business like that.
Disagree. It's come to the point that the laws and policies have wrapped themselves like a cat's hairball stuck in a vacuum cleaner's roller bar. It intentionally defies targeted solutions.
Needs to be crushed and discarded in its entirety. Add new medical schools, triple the doctors and care modalities, and costs will decrease on their own. Insurance can be pure disaster coverage and ignored for normal healthcare.
Yes and get the illegals out of the equation. Free treatment for them means we all pay more when many Americans are the working poor who can't afford to pay more. It pisses me off to no end seeing them show up to our hospitals, get treatment and don't have to worry about paying because they're on some sort of facility assisted sliding scale which usually means free with or without medicaid. I've had it with my employer. They make me ill, claiming to be a Catholic institution but mandated poison jabs for their own employees. Thank the Good Lord I have a religious exemption.
The alternative to insurance is that you get the bill flat out from the hospital. Can you afford a $5K bill for an ambulance ride? A $3K bill for ER care, $200 for the lab work? $1500 for the CT-scan? $500 for the ER physician's consult? $5000 for the MRI? $500 for the surgeon's consult?... etc, etc.
Insurance is a necessary evil. It spreads out the financial risk across time and across the population making the service more affordable for everyone. But we have to understand the insurer's perspective. Their entire business is in assuming someone else's risk. The only way to do that is to give them a way to make some money themselves by doing it. If we tell them they can't have a profit, why take on the risk? Leave it to the individual to manage his own risk. So, the question here really is what is a "fair" profit for the service they provide?
And it gets more complicated than that because then we have to deal with the value judgement about what's being purchased. If you walk into a Walmart with a greedy toddler, they'll tell you they "need" every toy in the toy section. Maybe he's got a rich, doting grandparent who he expects to pay for it. Who actually makes the decision about what the kid needs? Not the toddler (our patient). Maybe the parent (our doctor) gets a say, but really the decision is made by the grandparent (the 3rd party payer). We've got a system that separates the people with the biggest stake in the value assessment (ie 'is this worth the price I'm being asked to pay?') from the decision to pay or not. In fact, in our scenario, Walmart figures out the game and takes all the price tags off the products knowing that the rich grandparent is going to pay regardless, then jacks up the prices. That whole scheme has to be changed.
I think we agree fundamentally. In a free market, insurance can be a viable product and a sensible purchase. But it isn'ta free market at all: not for insurance, and not for medical care.
Medical costs are too high, because it hasn't been a free market. In particular the supply of doctors and nurses is limited. Best evidence is that medical schools turn down huge numbers of qualified applicants each year, and the number of graduating doctors each year is fully controlled by a monopoly, the ACGME (Assoc of Collegiate Graduate Medical Education). The costs should be much lower.
Insurance is also not a free market by any stretch, starting with the fact that it's a mandated purchase for most corporations, and for most individuals thanks to Obamacare. It's more like a regulated utility with an insurance component than actual insurance.
Add in the fact that medical bills including hospital bills are only incidentally related to actual cost. There's a huge cost bubble that doesn't reflect true costs at all.
There are ways it can be reformed, if the government approaches it in good faith. But I've lost confidence in gov't's good faith. I'd much rather see a totally unregulated market.
Not to mention that most doctors can't cure anything anyway; they're only trained in symptom suppression, culturing a chronically ill population. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
United Healthcare story goes way back. Start with their rollup of competitors via “mergers and acquisitions” that started prior to 2008. Somehow they knew back in mid 2000s that Obamacare was coming in 2013. Lots of shady deals and bribes to consolidate the industry and eliminate competition.
“United” is a favorite cabal rollup Corp name. Reference “United Airlines” attempt to rollup airline industry, “United Technologies” attempt to rollup aerospace, and “United Defense” attempt to rollup Tier2 military/industrial complex players. “United Fruit” appears to be first Amer/British collaboration and origin of American Front Corps being used by intelligence agencies for nefarious activity (see Big 6 Tech Giants). https://greatawakening.win/p/17tKipHQk4/the-great-1t-market-cap-scam-inf/c/
United Fruit Company was run out of heavily infiltrated former French Colony Louisiana by foreign agents: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company ; Historically there are 3 main bases of foreign agents in US: Louisiana (French Colony), New York (Dutch Colony), S. Carolina (Royal Colony).
Makes one wonder, if the CEO who was shot and killed, had his salary based upon what money he saved the company via denial of claims. With increasing side effects post the Covid shot, more insurance claims are being presented to insurance companies.
Despite the fact that our insurance is not UnitedHealthcare, both myself and my spouse -- along with my deceased mother -- got notices from Change Healthcare about their data breach. If what this woman is saying is true, then wow...
According to what we were sent, the data breach occurred on Feb. 21, 2024. Here's what they wrote:
"On February 21, 2024, CHC found activity in our computer system that happened without our permission. We quickly took steps to stop that activity. We began investigating right away, and hired a special team to help us. We also called law enforcement. We also turned off CHC's systems to help protect our customers and their individuals.
On March 7 2024, we learned a cybercriminal was able to see and take copies of some data in our computer system. This happened between February 17, 2024 and February 20, 2024. We received files that were safe to look at on March 13, 2024."
We first got notice of the breach on August 5, 2024.
I've gotten 3 such notices from various organizations in the past year. My "free credit monitoring" is in effect. Don't forget about the theft of global social security numbers that nobody is talking about any more.
Let's have a re-do...wipe the corrupt structures out of existence and just get us onto the Quantum System already.
I do not work for UHG or Optum, but I have a relationship with them so I need to be careful here.
Some over simplifications but true statements:
Optum (which is on the Fortune 10 list) was a spinoff of UHG literally because legally UHG couldn't make as much money as they were capable of. Consequently, Optum was created and is a powerhouse.
Everything else she mentioned is correct. Well over 100+ subsidiaries and Change Healthcare is indeed one of them and their role is to process claims and prescriptions. Their cyber event earlier this year did indeed have an enormous impact on doctors as well as patients who couldn't get their prescriptions in a timely manner.
The claims denial statements are 100% true.
The only thing I have yet to confirm is that UGH/Optum was indeed buying up healthcare entities that were going out of business due to Change Healthcare being down due to their cyber event/ransomware attack.
But again, everything else that woman shared is 100% accurate.
We had Aetna, they sent a letter in November saying they were dropping our insurance, we called and they said they will no longer be serving our area. The only comparable plan was United… seems sketch to me.
I have insurance from United thru my years of service to a large southern state. They are incessant about trying to set up a "free in home health check up." I always decline by saying my doctor is just a few miles away and super convenient. That does not deter them. They are also overly pushy about sending kits for a stool sample. I just put them in file 13. I view the home visits as a scouting missions for nefarious reasons. I view the stool samples as vain attempts to get DNA and sell to highest multiples of bidders. In short, when the gov't or pharma offer ANYTHING free, it is regarded as a red flag warning. Neither entity has a shred of credibility in my book. Lastly, isn't this the very thing that HIPPA laws are supposed to protect us from? Who dropped the ball on that United Health Care?
I am dealing with this very same thing. My friend is older, retired from the state of Nevada. “Home health” is constantly sending dna mouth swabs and insisting that she has a home visit. She refuses and they won’t let up. Very sketchy.
Same here, about the home check ups and kits
Humana was the same way!!!!! They'd call and bug me daily. They'd have the "special agency" that did these "free home checks" call me. I finally sent them a letter telling them I DID NOT WANT anyone coming to my house nor did I NEED a "home check" - they finally stopped after a year. Why tf they need to come to my house? Nope. I was and still am a hard NO.
Told them I am PHYSICALLY disabled, my mind still works just fine.
Humana has also done a massive push to get Ozempic into everyone.
Amazing that they have been able to bypass vaccine resistance with this “magic bullet” which promises to make you skinny for life.
Just don’t question the drug or the repercussions. What’s in this weekly shot? And what are the hidden side-effects?
You're also sending them a pile of shit lol.
Clean the yard of dog crap and send to them. Postage is paid right?
Sounds like a plan.
In PA they don't do this.
At least my supplement doesn't.
I don't do the Medicare Advantage.
I'm wondering if the whole evidence set to make it seem like it was some disgruntled policy holder or relative of a policy holder is just cover for an actual, professional, hitman. Even an amateur wouldn't leave such blatant evidence, especially the gun and backpack. Why wouldn't he just bring them with him when he fled the city?
I'm now thinking it's all part of the show
Ive been saying this since day 1 and everyone here just ignores me. Its all too neat. The breadcrumbs discovered in a timely way leading us to the exact narrative they are pushing using our biases against us. Its all too obvious. Playbook known. This is how they run all their FF ops. I have been saddened by all the commenters here taking it events at face value without a modicum of discernment and ignoring all the lessons we have learned over 8 years. Of course the fedbois are all over this story here at GAW making sure the sheep stay in the corral.
I agree, especially after seeing the videos about the masks they have now, even the ones available on Amazon. Part of the plan would be to let the “face” be seen.
https://x.com/TaraBull808/status/1864423619830665364
https://x.com/TheFlatEartherr/status/1864591575109558346
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQGLSGT4/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_apa_gl_i_HCBYTPR1VYXK1C53HS24?linkCode=ml1&tag=candy0a21-20&th=1
Especially with a witness right there. Could of course be fake and gay, but could also be an absolute amateur. Was it a single shot.22 cal? Overall terrible performance.
It surely is starting to smell like a setup. Bulletcasing with messages on and nowthey have “found” Monopoly money in his backpack…
Why would a professional hitman bring a cell phone AKA personal tracking device to the scene of an assassination? Makes no sense. Even an amateur would know to leave your phone and identifying personal items at home for a few hours lol
He left it there intentionally to throw cops off the scent or down a different path, possibly a burner or a patsy's he set up.
Insurance no matter what kind is a rip-off. House insurance. Rip-off. Health. Rip=off. and so on and so forth. Car insurance another big scam.
United healthcare is notorious. It's 32% claim rejection rate is legendary. It's an unbelievable frustration for physicians trying to get coverage for care for their patients. You spend hours on the phone with them. You pour man-hours into the prior authorization paper work. You document. You explain. You cajole. Then they reject the claim and meanwhile while you're dicking around with this bureaucratic nonsense, your patient is not getting treatment. The patient gets the shaft while they post record profits for their shareholders.
I totally understand the emotions swirling about the CEO's murder. It's reprehensible to try and hold one person's life as punishment for an entire organization like this, or to call for his death at all. That's not moral, but I understand.
Insurance as a for-profit enterprise is a major drain on the US healthcare system. You need a profit motive to get people to be willing to take on the financial risk the business entails. That's Econ 101, but these guys have too many laws and policies that allow them too much safety from paying claims they should be paying.
Fixing it is not simple however. A scalpel is needed. Maybe one of those monstrously large scalpels they use for autopsies, but a scalpel, and not a chainsaw.
I've been on disability since 2008, had Humana. I was determined disabled bc I'd had 3 lumbar surgeries with accompanied nerve damage before I was 30. In 2023, I had a 4th multi level lumbar fusion. 4 months later, cardio wanted to do a stress test. Did the auth for a nuclear stress test cuz I can't run - on a treadmill or anywhere else. Those idiots DENIED the nuclear stress test because there was NO PROOF I COULDNT RUN ON A TREADMILL!!! Yes, I lost my shit. Not only that, but if they hadn't denied it, my co pay would have been $350. So, they weren't going to be carrying the entire payment due. It's a crock. And I'm at a loss how they expect anyone on disability or Soc Sec to pay an out the blue $350 bill. You don't get to save or really invest money when you become disabled at 38 and have 2 kids to care for. Seems to me, they should only be allowed a certain % of profit. They deny care or charge such an exorbitant co pay that you can't afford it anyway while pocketing billions in profit.
Humana's no better. I had the misfortune to require their services for a few years now. The copays are ridiculous, even on their "good" plans, and of course, just like anyone else, they like denying claims. Every time I needed a new medication, we went through several rounds of denials before the doc got on the phone and chewed their consultant doctor's ass until he approved it. They create these protocols in the way they do to make it easy to deny expensive therapies.
I think your last line is key. They bleed their patients dry while positing billions in profit. Morally, we think of healthcare as a non-profit concept. We need the business acumen to keep the system running efficiently. We need the brain in the system, but we also need the heart - and it's tough to design a system that relies on people choosing to be decent and moral people. You can't legislate that, and it's very tough to run a business like that.
Disagree. It's come to the point that the laws and policies have wrapped themselves like a cat's hairball stuck in a vacuum cleaner's roller bar. It intentionally defies targeted solutions.
Needs to be crushed and discarded in its entirety. Add new medical schools, triple the doctors and care modalities, and costs will decrease on their own. Insurance can be pure disaster coverage and ignored for normal healthcare.
Yes and get the illegals out of the equation. Free treatment for them means we all pay more when many Americans are the working poor who can't afford to pay more. It pisses me off to no end seeing them show up to our hospitals, get treatment and don't have to worry about paying because they're on some sort of facility assisted sliding scale which usually means free with or without medicaid. I've had it with my employer. They make me ill, claiming to be a Catholic institution but mandated poison jabs for their own employees. Thank the Good Lord I have a religious exemption.
The alternative to insurance is that you get the bill flat out from the hospital. Can you afford a $5K bill for an ambulance ride? A $3K bill for ER care, $200 for the lab work? $1500 for the CT-scan? $500 for the ER physician's consult? $5000 for the MRI? $500 for the surgeon's consult?... etc, etc.
Insurance is a necessary evil. It spreads out the financial risk across time and across the population making the service more affordable for everyone. But we have to understand the insurer's perspective. Their entire business is in assuming someone else's risk. The only way to do that is to give them a way to make some money themselves by doing it. If we tell them they can't have a profit, why take on the risk? Leave it to the individual to manage his own risk. So, the question here really is what is a "fair" profit for the service they provide?
And it gets more complicated than that because then we have to deal with the value judgement about what's being purchased. If you walk into a Walmart with a greedy toddler, they'll tell you they "need" every toy in the toy section. Maybe he's got a rich, doting grandparent who he expects to pay for it. Who actually makes the decision about what the kid needs? Not the toddler (our patient). Maybe the parent (our doctor) gets a say, but really the decision is made by the grandparent (the 3rd party payer). We've got a system that separates the people with the biggest stake in the value assessment (ie 'is this worth the price I'm being asked to pay?') from the decision to pay or not. In fact, in our scenario, Walmart figures out the game and takes all the price tags off the products knowing that the rich grandparent is going to pay regardless, then jacks up the prices. That whole scheme has to be changed.
I think we agree fundamentally. In a free market, insurance can be a viable product and a sensible purchase. But it isn'ta free market at all: not for insurance, and not for medical care.
Medical costs are too high, because it hasn't been a free market. In particular the supply of doctors and nurses is limited. Best evidence is that medical schools turn down huge numbers of qualified applicants each year, and the number of graduating doctors each year is fully controlled by a monopoly, the ACGME (Assoc of Collegiate Graduate Medical Education). The costs should be much lower.
Insurance is also not a free market by any stretch, starting with the fact that it's a mandated purchase for most corporations, and for most individuals thanks to Obamacare. It's more like a regulated utility with an insurance component than actual insurance.
Add in the fact that medical bills including hospital bills are only incidentally related to actual cost. There's a huge cost bubble that doesn't reflect true costs at all.
There are ways it can be reformed, if the government approaches it in good faith. But I've lost confidence in gov't's good faith. I'd much rather see a totally unregulated market.
Not to mention that most doctors can't cure anything anyway; they're only trained in symptom suppression, culturing a chronically ill population. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
United Healthcare story goes way back. Start with their rollup of competitors via “mergers and acquisitions” that started prior to 2008. Somehow they knew back in mid 2000s that Obamacare was coming in 2013. Lots of shady deals and bribes to consolidate the industry and eliminate competition.
“United” is a favorite cabal rollup Corp name. Reference “United Airlines” attempt to rollup airline industry, “United Technologies” attempt to rollup aerospace, and “United Defense” attempt to rollup Tier2 military/industrial complex players. “United Fruit” appears to be first Amer/British collaboration and origin of American Front Corps being used by intelligence agencies for nefarious activity (see Big 6 Tech Giants). https://greatawakening.win/p/17tKipHQk4/the-great-1t-market-cap-scam-inf/c/
United Fruit Company was run out of heavily infiltrated former French Colony Louisiana by foreign agents: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company ; Historically there are 3 main bases of foreign agents in US: Louisiana (French Colony), New York (Dutch Colony), S. Carolina (Royal Colony).
Good catch with the DS using the term 'united' to signal their overall control of that particular industry.
Makes one wonder, if the CEO who was shot and killed, had his salary based upon what money he saved the company via denial of claims. With increasing side effects post the Covid shot, more insurance claims are being presented to insurance companies.
Despite the fact that our insurance is not UnitedHealthcare, both myself and my spouse -- along with my deceased mother -- got notices from Change Healthcare about their data breach. If what this woman is saying is true, then wow...
According to what we were sent, the data breach occurred on Feb. 21, 2024. Here's what they wrote:
"On February 21, 2024, CHC found activity in our computer system that happened without our permission. We quickly took steps to stop that activity. We began investigating right away, and hired a special team to help us. We also called law enforcement. We also turned off CHC's systems to help protect our customers and their individuals.
On March 7 2024, we learned a cybercriminal was able to see and take copies of some data in our computer system. This happened between February 17, 2024 and February 20, 2024. We received files that were safe to look at on March 13, 2024."
We first got notice of the breach on August 5, 2024.
I've gotten 3 such notices from various organizations in the past year. My "free credit monitoring" is in effect. Don't forget about the theft of global social security numbers that nobody is talking about any more.
Let's have a re-do...wipe the corrupt structures out of existence and just get us onto the Quantum System already.
she says United owns change
Amazing that there are zero consequences for waiting 6 months to notify customers of a data breach that exposed PII.
Denying coverage for an illness is the same as killing them.
Fuckery? Fuckery? We don’t need no stinking Fuckery! Ah, but we got it…almost done in 43 Days
I do not work for UHG or Optum, but I have a relationship with them so I need to be careful here.
Some over simplifications but true statements:
Optum (which is on the Fortune 10 list) was a spinoff of UHG literally because legally UHG couldn't make as much money as they were capable of. Consequently, Optum was created and is a powerhouse.
Everything else she mentioned is correct. Well over 100+ subsidiaries and Change Healthcare is indeed one of them and their role is to process claims and prescriptions. Their cyber event earlier this year did indeed have an enormous impact on doctors as well as patients who couldn't get their prescriptions in a timely manner.
The claims denial statements are 100% true.
The only thing I have yet to confirm is that UGH/Optum was indeed buying up healthcare entities that were going out of business due to Change Healthcare being down due to their cyber event/ransomware attack.
But again, everything else that woman shared is 100% accurate.
Thank you everyone for your input.
We Are The Plan.
We had Aetna, they sent a letter in November saying they were dropping our insurance, we called and they said they will no longer be serving our area. The only comparable plan was United… seems sketch to me.
I can't imagine that any of us know about all of it. I'm sure I don't actually want to know...a lot of what they do.
Love how you guys allow some handshake to come in and take this thread completely off track.
Doesn’t Kaiser already use that model non-nefariously? It seems to be efficient and works for them (I hate Kaiser because of Covid)
I've been very clear on my opinion that this was a professional hit from the beginning. The escape was too clean, too well planned for an amateur. And the words on the casings were clearly misdirection. Then there's this. This came from Reddit of all places. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/comments/1h9offy/assassination_of_brian_thompson_a_psyop/
https://nitter.poast.org/MsKristaMonroe/status/1864927986358583656