Even at 1500 per day it will take over 18.7 years to account for the 10 million recent invaders. I’m sure Trump did the numbers and didn’t like the results. 8,850 per day would take the whole 4 years of his term to do the trick. They definitely need to step up the pace.
If you are an illegal immigrant and you hear non-stop how Trump is deporting thousands of people per day, you would think to yourself, "Do I want to wait for ICE to come at some unexpected time, or do I just want to leave on my own terms?" I believe most will leave on their own terms, especially if this is occurring in many different communities across the USA.
You're right that by the numbers, this is barely scratching the surface. But the general population is horrible at math. They will think this is much bigger than it really is.
Harboring illegal aliens refers to knowingly providing assistance to individuals who are not legally allowed to be in the United States, in a way that helps them avoid detection by law enforcement. This can include providing shelter, employment, transportation, or any other form of assistance that aids an undocumented immigrant in remaining in the country unlawfully.
Some of these "employers" and "landlords" that deal with illegal aliens should be reminded that they face a maximum sentence of the death penalty depending on who exactly they've harbored.
When they're unemployable, and unhousable, and they stop getting handed money they're either gonna GTFO fast or surrender.
It will ramp up once the active violent criminals are out, and the focus shifts onto the non-violent aliens. Right now, the knowledge that ICE might be coming for you is on the horizon, but there's some built in denial because you know that "there's no reason for anyone to be looking at me, I haven't actually done anything, and I'm not hurting anyone!"
Once that rational is stripped away, and you see other people who haven't been violent, but who have entered illegally being deported, then were will be more fear, and more self-deportation.
That being said, for an operation of this size, we might need a carrot and stick approach. For example, an ultimatum could be set: either leave or register yourself before this date - say, one month from now.
The Carrot: If you register with us, and you don't have a criminal record, then we will help you apply for legal immigration, and set a date for deportation, since we have a bottleneck in the number that can be deported at one time. If you cooperate, if you don't flee, if you continue to keep a clean record, and if you allow yourself to be deported without incident, or else leave through a legal port of exit, and register your exit, then you'll have the chance to come back one day, as a legal migrant.
The Stick: If you fail to meet this deadline, then the offer is gone forever. If you cannot or will not meet any of the conditions set, then the offer is gone forever. When you're found and deported, you will be blacklisted, and you will never be allowed to migrate back. If you were deported already, even if you received the Carrot, then you will be deported and blacklisted, immediately.
Finally, some kind of severe punishment will need to be meted out to anyone who is found trying to enter illegally going forward. That will most likely need to involve putting pressure on the rest of the world to implement punishments and jail time for aliens who are returned to them. We don't need them in our prison systems, living off of our taxes.
Overall, some give and pull is going to be necessary just to handle the sheer bulk, so something sweet but temporary will need to be offered to the non-violent masses, with the knowledge that the failure to cooperate will only hurt them. However, it can't be sweet enough to encourage people to come back, nor can it be something that can be taken advantage of.
This is very true, nice write up. I would also add to your point that it's slower with the dangerous ones because ICE has to move strategically and take into account innocent lives. After this .. the rest would be cake
Here in Naples Bonita Springs Fort Myers, they all over the place and believe me they are not scared. You see them at Panera Bread in Tarpon Bay Naples like they feel secure. I am tired of listening to them.
Are the self deporting ones counted in the equation? I wonder what trumps gotta do to end all federal funding to programs that allow illegals to get benifits still
This is the crux of the issue for me. Ok, fine, they're here now, but why are we blowing taxpayer money to give them benefits we won't even give to our own citizens?
The rate of deportation is too slow right now, and we shouldn't be letting them live high on the hog on the federal dime while US citizens are homeless in places like California and NC, etc.
Even at 1500 per day it will take over 18.7 years to account for the 10 million recent invaders. I’m sure Trump did the numbers and didn’t like the results. 8,850 per day would take the whole 4 years of his term to do the trick. They definitely need to step up the pace.
I came here to do math for everyone but you beat me to it u/Olddogg. Excellent
I do hope that the pressure of having to live in the shadows watching over their shoulder, plus cutting off all of the free shit, will motivate a good portion to self-deport. Self-deporting is by far their best option if they want to be able to keep their belongings and have a shot at ever coming back. It makes a lot more sense to back up your truck and a trailer full of your things and take it with you than risk getting deported and only being able to take a ziploc bag of belongings with you
Faint of heart. In the peak year of Operation Wetback (1954) the number of deportees was 1.1 million. It was a sharp peak from a rapid rise over several years and the whole program stopped the year afterward. This rate works out to about 3,014 per day. Just keep it up and put on the squeeze. The smarter ones will get Out Of Town on their own. It will be the New Normal. To crib from Klaus Schwab, "You will have no illegal aliens, and you will be happy." (Hmm. Might make a good meme. Have at it, anyone. "Klaus Schwab sees the Trumplight.")
If this can perpetuate through a hopefully following term by Vance, it would be interesting if it had the effect of altering the 2030 census statistics. And maybe also the 2026 and 2028 election statistics.
10 million! I thought it was 2 million and that was bad enough. Does anyone realise how many cities that is? A city needs schools, hospitals, fire stations, paramedics, shopping centres, infrastructure like water, power, sanitation, roads, universities, pre-schools, health care centres, drs, physio, specialist services, etc. etc. etc. Who will pay for this? Taxpayers? And who benefits? The democrats as their promises will change laws to allow illegals to vote. Can’t happen? Already is. Look at UK, Italy and France. Unsustainable and becoming dangerous and unliveable.
The "official" number is 11 million. Which is probably about 1/3 the real number. When I was a kid the population of the entire US was 225 million, what are we at 350 now? I'm not even that old.
there is 30 - 60 million illegals in the country. They all need to go within this first year. so that is 80k-160k roundups that need to happen. Raid every dairy farm, construction site. Raid peoples homes and check their status.
They should find a way to make life for them really hard so they deport themselves saving us time and money. In all countries if you don’t have a visa you cannot do ANYTHING( pay bills, drive, get a loan, get a cellphone, get a rent, work…) Trump should find a way to block everything for them so their only choice would be get their asses outta here.
Should be more than 20k a day.
That’s right. We have all Globe people here.
Even at 1500 per day it will take over 18.7 years to account for the 10 million recent invaders. I’m sure Trump did the numbers and didn’t like the results. 8,850 per day would take the whole 4 years of his term to do the trick. They definitely need to step up the pace.
Self-deportation
If you are an illegal immigrant and you hear non-stop how Trump is deporting thousands of people per day, you would think to yourself, "Do I want to wait for ICE to come at some unexpected time, or do I just want to leave on my own terms?" I believe most will leave on their own terms, especially if this is occurring in many different communities across the USA.
You're right that by the numbers, this is barely scratching the surface. But the general population is horrible at math. They will think this is much bigger than it really is.
Especially if the freebies get shut down. And friggin fine the shit out of people who hire them.
Oh we can do better than fines.
Some of these "employers" and "landlords" that deal with illegal aliens should be reminded that they face a maximum sentence of the death penalty depending on who exactly they've harbored.
When they're unemployable, and unhousable, and they stop getting handed money they're either gonna GTFO fast or surrender.
It will ramp up once the active violent criminals are out, and the focus shifts onto the non-violent aliens. Right now, the knowledge that ICE might be coming for you is on the horizon, but there's some built in denial because you know that "there's no reason for anyone to be looking at me, I haven't actually done anything, and I'm not hurting anyone!"
Once that rational is stripped away, and you see other people who haven't been violent, but who have entered illegally being deported, then were will be more fear, and more self-deportation.
That being said, for an operation of this size, we might need a carrot and stick approach. For example, an ultimatum could be set: either leave or register yourself before this date - say, one month from now.
The Carrot: If you register with us, and you don't have a criminal record, then we will help you apply for legal immigration, and set a date for deportation, since we have a bottleneck in the number that can be deported at one time. If you cooperate, if you don't flee, if you continue to keep a clean record, and if you allow yourself to be deported without incident, or else leave through a legal port of exit, and register your exit, then you'll have the chance to come back one day, as a legal migrant.
The Stick: If you fail to meet this deadline, then the offer is gone forever. If you cannot or will not meet any of the conditions set, then the offer is gone forever. When you're found and deported, you will be blacklisted, and you will never be allowed to migrate back. If you were deported already, even if you received the Carrot, then you will be deported and blacklisted, immediately.
Finally, some kind of severe punishment will need to be meted out to anyone who is found trying to enter illegally going forward. That will most likely need to involve putting pressure on the rest of the world to implement punishments and jail time for aliens who are returned to them. We don't need them in our prison systems, living off of our taxes.
Overall, some give and pull is going to be necessary just to handle the sheer bulk, so something sweet but temporary will need to be offered to the non-violent masses, with the knowledge that the failure to cooperate will only hurt them. However, it can't be sweet enough to encourage people to come back, nor can it be something that can be taken advantage of.
This is very true, nice write up. I would also add to your point that it's slower with the dangerous ones because ICE has to move strategically and take into account innocent lives. After this .. the rest would be cake
Here in Naples Bonita Springs Fort Myers, they all over the place and believe me they are not scared. You see them at Panera Bread in Tarpon Bay Naples like they feel secure. I am tired of listening to them.
Are the self deporting ones counted in the equation? I wonder what trumps gotta do to end all federal funding to programs that allow illegals to get benifits still
And punish the people hiring the illegals.
This is the crux of the issue for me. Ok, fine, they're here now, but why are we blowing taxpayer money to give them benefits we won't even give to our own citizens?
The rate of deportation is too slow right now, and we shouldn't be letting them live high on the hog on the federal dime while US citizens are homeless in places like California and NC, etc.
I came here to do math for everyone but you beat me to it u/Olddogg. Excellent
I do hope that the pressure of having to live in the shadows watching over their shoulder, plus cutting off all of the free shit, will motivate a good portion to self-deport. Self-deporting is by far their best option if they want to be able to keep their belongings and have a shot at ever coming back. It makes a lot more sense to back up your truck and a trailer full of your things and take it with you than risk getting deported and only being able to take a ziploc bag of belongings with you
Faint of heart. In the peak year of Operation Wetback (1954) the number of deportees was 1.1 million. It was a sharp peak from a rapid rise over several years and the whole program stopped the year afterward. This rate works out to about 3,014 per day. Just keep it up and put on the squeeze. The smarter ones will get Out Of Town on their own. It will be the New Normal. To crib from Klaus Schwab, "You will have no illegal aliens, and you will be happy." (Hmm. Might make a good meme. Have at it, anyone. "Klaus Schwab sees the Trumplight.")
If this can perpetuate through a hopefully following term by Vance, it would be interesting if it had the effect of altering the 2030 census statistics. And maybe also the 2026 and 2028 election statistics.
Make the airlines who brought 400,000 in for Biden start flying them out. Also, Greyhound bus which is how many illegals and criminals move around.
10 million! I thought it was 2 million and that was bad enough. Does anyone realise how many cities that is? A city needs schools, hospitals, fire stations, paramedics, shopping centres, infrastructure like water, power, sanitation, roads, universities, pre-schools, health care centres, drs, physio, specialist services, etc. etc. etc. Who will pay for this? Taxpayers? And who benefits? The democrats as their promises will change laws to allow illegals to vote. Can’t happen? Already is. Look at UK, Italy and France. Unsustainable and becoming dangerous and unliveable.
The "official" number is 11 million. Which is probably about 1/3 the real number. When I was a kid the population of the entire US was 225 million, what are we at 350 now? I'm not even that old.
Estimates are as high as 40 million. 10 is just the last 4 years.
Yeah, they just not saying per year lol
😳 You May never turn that around.
Turn up the heat!!
10,000 a day is the number that were coming across the border almost every day during the Biden presidency
I love it!
Make it happen.
there were days where Biden was pulling in 5k or more...1200 is only 3 777's a day
Per WaPo.
Fake News.
Gotta get those numbers up!
Stop remittances and watch 40 to 60% self deport.
we can do better......
there is 30 - 60 million illegals in the country. They all need to go within this first year. so that is 80k-160k roundups that need to happen. Raid every dairy farm, construction site. Raid peoples homes and check their status.
They should find a way to make life for them really hard so they deport themselves saving us time and money. In all countries if you don’t have a visa you cannot do ANYTHING( pay bills, drive, get a loan, get a cellphone, get a rent, work…) Trump should find a way to block everything for them so their only choice would be get their asses outta here.
They need civilians to round illegals into a gated park area
Cut off the benefits, cut off the education, and cut off the jobs via e-Verify. Self-deport will then be The Thing.