He assumes the helo pilot visually spots the wrong plan on a very clear night. He may be right. He also doesn't discuss the helo ascending from 002 (200 feet of elevation) to 003 (300 feet) in the last moments before the crash. The established flight path of the helo is 200 feet max. This can be visually observed in the videos he shows. The helo rises to intersect the plane. It's a near miss if the helo stays below 200 feet. I don't suspect he's trying to steer us wrong but he's missing two obvious critical aspects of this incident.
The problem is that it's perfectly fine in the regs to allow a VFR aircraft to proceed and maintain visual separation when they say they have the aircraft in sight. That is the whole point of VFR. You have to accept the pilot's word when they tell you "yes, I see the other aircraft and will avoid".
If you make controllers responsible for second guessing pilots then you might as well do away with VFR altogether and make everyone IFR.
That may ultimately be what comes out of this incident. That all DC airspace becomes closed to VFR traffic. But that is going to cause congestion like you've never seen. VFR is in the regs for a reason, and we shouldn't start making rash decisions because of 1 incidence of human error.
It is this pilot's thinking the helicopter had the wrong plane in sight. That may not be so. The helicopter could have been remote controlled with its "pilot" in the remote location.
This pilot doesn't at all mention the obvious ascension of the helo. It's in his video PAT at 002 (200') changes to PAT 003 (300') just before impact. Even in the video of the collision it is observable the the helo is rising.
It does seem clear that the helo pilot accepts responsibility for separation and claims to see the plane... is it to far of a stretch to ask if it was intentional?
+1 I’m not sure why the “professional” pilots reviewing this aren’t saying what your’e writing here. I am saving your comment as I think you might have posted the most important one.
Captain Steve is great. He's somber in this video for obvious reasons, but in more fun times he usually pronounces his name in a funny stretched way Captain Steeeeve.
I'm just so sad listening to the tower, the ground, and all involved.
You know they are in shock but immediately doing their job to shut down the airport.
Part of the problem is the pronunciation of English by the ATC. They sound like gibberish and my gut reaction is the pilots just ignore them as par for the course.
In their mind, just those retards at ATC we never can understand.
Seriously, listen to the audio. They are incomprehensible.
Lol, thanks for that. I still think its not reasonable to say it MUST be an accident. According to Q, there is, all things being equal, a 70% chance that its NOT an accident.
That's pretty unfair. This is not what Killer is saying.
Clearly, you are using "Trust the experts" here as a pejorative. It's a gross misrepresentation of killer's position, imo.
Of course, on the foundation of the last 5 years, "trust the experts" has come to mean "do not think for yourself; follow without thinking what those in fraudulent authority tell you", but this is NOT what Killer is saying, if you bother to read anything he's written instead of trying to shout him down and squash his engagement because he's offering a different view of your own.
Maybe you've just assumed that's what he's saying, but its not. Ask anyone, Donald Trump or any of the individuals he's mobilizing to reform/restore the American government, and they'll acknowledge that there is no substitute for actual expert knowledge.
What is a problem is fraudulent expert knowledge, where the so-called expert serves a corrupt agenda or even an ignorant agenda based on 'authority', doctrine or establishment.
How critical and important has the role of people like Dr. Robert Malone, Simone Gold, and others been when the COVID nonsense came out?
There is a massive different between - not thinking for yourself and following blindly or willingly authority figures because its satisfies your comfort zone - and - seeking expert trained knowledge based in experience, study, awareness and track history to incorporate in your own knowledge base and walk towards evaluation.
Baby and bath water.
Just wanted to raise this point. Whether the incident was an accident or not, I'd say, fine to have one's opinion, but let's also recognize our limitations. Pushing any chosen opinion or belief as if it is a fact, well, I think this behavior is something that Q made a lot of effort to cauterize.
"Free thought" is a philosophical viewpoint which holds that positions regarding truth should be formed on the basis of logic, reason, and empiricism, rather than authority, tradition, revelation, or dogma.
I know this guy is a pilot and what he says makes sense to some extent however even if they had incorrectly identified the wrong aircraft initially, surely they would have seen the aircraft directly in front of them as they were getting closer.
You're getting pretty beat up here, but it's good that you're continuing to present another perspective. There's a lot of speculation going on, with varying levels of supporting evidence and a lot of it is anecdotal.
We're wasting our energy fighting each other instead of cooperating to pool information in order to assess all the possible theories.
Lol, there are some here who infuse their beliefs with a sense of absoluteness in a way that would make a suicide bomber blush.
They mercilessly downvote people who present an alternative view, and alternative argument, or different approach. Really, it's sad and pathetic.
Instead of discussing to fathom and find truth, they engage in rhetorical one-up-man-ship, and seek to use the force of argument and deliberate misreading/misrepresentation to push their view.
To those who read objectively, it's obvious who does this and when they do. But like all 'true believers' (in their own views), they themselves are completely oblivious to their own behavior.
It's a GOOD think to have different views. They generate PERSPECTIVE, but only if you are willing to consider or engage in them in a constructive way.
We're wasting our energy fighting each other instead of cooperating to pool information in order to assess all the possible theories.
Looks like recent information puts the helicopter 200m above where it was supposed to be. But hell 200m isn't much room for error though.
Tragic accident though.
So, the plane had been diverted to a different runway at the last moment and had made it's turn and was on approach. The chopper was in a path restricted to 200' altitude, but was flying at 300 when it struck the plane, with apparently no indication of trying to avoid the aircraft. And you say parallel track, total accident. Riiiiiggghhhttt...
Deathray, lol. They are reasonable questions, from a layman's point of view. Where are you so desperate to state that this could NOT be anything other than an accident?
I know something of your background and approach. You've made some very good points in the course of this thread (points that should really be incorporated into anyone's thinking about the matter). But may I suggest, you seem to have become almost defensive in reaction to the noise of others?
Barbie was simply asking a question from her (his?) own knowledge base and level.
Note: I know its the new handle. I wanted to let you know that I know that you know that the old handle is retired but the owner of the handle isn't. I think.
On top of reading (and no doubt thinking) about crashes for half a century, you have a degree of highly trained and technical expertise (oooh, did I say a dirty word?), which can make it hard to process the ramblings of lesser mortals (I'm kidding) without some stomach cramps.
This is best analysis I have seen so far. Nice to here it from actual pilot instead of click chasing youtuber.
He assumes the helo pilot visually spots the wrong plan on a very clear night. He may be right. He also doesn't discuss the helo ascending from 002 (200 feet of elevation) to 003 (300 feet) in the last moments before the crash. The established flight path of the helo is 200 feet max. This can be visually observed in the videos he shows. The helo rises to intersect the plane. It's a near miss if the helo stays below 200 feet. I don't suspect he's trying to steer us wrong but he's missing two obvious critical aspects of this incident.
The problem is that it's perfectly fine in the regs to allow a VFR aircraft to proceed and maintain visual separation when they say they have the aircraft in sight. That is the whole point of VFR. You have to accept the pilot's word when they tell you "yes, I see the other aircraft and will avoid".
If you make controllers responsible for second guessing pilots then you might as well do away with VFR altogether and make everyone IFR.
That may ultimately be what comes out of this incident. That all DC airspace becomes closed to VFR traffic. But that is going to cause congestion like you've never seen. VFR is in the regs for a reason, and we shouldn't start making rash decisions because of 1 incidence of human error.
It is this pilot's thinking the helicopter had the wrong plane in sight. That may not be so. The helicopter could have been remote controlled with its "pilot" in the remote location.
This pilot doesn't at all mention the obvious ascension of the helo. It's in his video PAT at 002 (200') changes to PAT 003 (300') just before impact. Even in the video of the collision it is observable the the helo is rising.
It does seem clear that the helo pilot accepts responsibility for separation and claims to see the plane... is it to far of a stretch to ask if it was intentional?
+1 I’m not sure why the “professional” pilots reviewing this aren’t saying what your’e writing here. I am saving your comment as I think you might have posted the most important one.
idk anon but it looks good so i stuck it.. i haven't been online much today so if i missed it earlier it's my fault
Captain Steve is great. He's somber in this video for obvious reasons, but in more fun times he usually pronounces his name in a funny stretched way Captain Steeeeve.
I'm just so sad listening to the tower, the ground, and all involved. You know they are in shock but immediately doing their job to shut down the airport.
Good summary
Part of the problem is the pronunciation of English by the ATC. They sound like gibberish and my gut reaction is the pilots just ignore them as par for the course.
In their mind, just those retards at ATC we never can understand.
Seriously, listen to the audio. They are incomprehensible.
That makes sense. Thx for the explain.
So. Who did they want dead?
Inquiring minds want to know. That was my first question.
Only 30% of plane crashes are accidents.
70% are targeted kills.
Q told you.
So, "trust the experts?"
It's really not reasonable to go:
"Only 30% of plane crashes are accidents, and 70% are targeted kills, so this is not an accident."
Btw, can you quote the Q drop(s) you're basing the "70%" on? I could not find it.
u/#q259
u/#q525
Lol, thanks for that. I still think its not reasonable to say it MUST be an accident. According to Q, there is, all things being equal, a 70% chance that its NOT an accident.
Thanks for finding the drops.
That's pretty unfair. This is not what Killer is saying.
Clearly, you are using "Trust the experts" here as a pejorative. It's a gross misrepresentation of killer's position, imo.
Of course, on the foundation of the last 5 years, "trust the experts" has come to mean "do not think for yourself; follow without thinking what those in fraudulent authority tell you", but this is NOT what Killer is saying, if you bother to read anything he's written instead of trying to shout him down and squash his engagement because he's offering a different view of your own.
Maybe you've just assumed that's what he's saying, but its not. Ask anyone, Donald Trump or any of the individuals he's mobilizing to reform/restore the American government, and they'll acknowledge that there is no substitute for actual expert knowledge.
What is a problem is fraudulent expert knowledge, where the so-called expert serves a corrupt agenda or even an ignorant agenda based on 'authority', doctrine or establishment.
How critical and important has the role of people like Dr. Robert Malone, Simone Gold, and others been when the COVID nonsense came out?
There is a massive different between - not thinking for yourself and following blindly or willingly authority figures because its satisfies your comfort zone - and - seeking expert trained knowledge based in experience, study, awareness and track history to incorporate in your own knowledge base and walk towards evaluation.
Baby and bath water.
Just wanted to raise this point. Whether the incident was an accident or not, I'd say, fine to have one's opinion, but let's also recognize our limitations. Pushing any chosen opinion or belief as if it is a fact, well, I think this behavior is something that Q made a lot of effort to cauterize.
Cheerio.
u/#q3906
Five years son
Five years
All that talk from "the experts" about other subjects since lockdown
All lies to keep you weak and enslaved
I have the greatest research tool in the history of mankind
A portable Library of Alexandria
IN
MY
POCKET
And you want me to trust the experts?
what a coincidence, I happen to be an amateur brain surgeon...
I know this guy is a pilot and what he says makes sense to some extent however even if they had incorrectly identified the wrong aircraft initially, surely they would have seen the aircraft directly in front of them as they were getting closer.
You're getting pretty beat up here, but it's good that you're continuing to present another perspective. There's a lot of speculation going on, with varying levels of supporting evidence and a lot of it is anecdotal.
We're wasting our energy fighting each other instead of cooperating to pool information in order to assess all the possible theories.
Lol, there are some here who infuse their beliefs with a sense of absoluteness in a way that would make a suicide bomber blush.
They mercilessly downvote people who present an alternative view, and alternative argument, or different approach. Really, it's sad and pathetic.
Instead of discussing to fathom and find truth, they engage in rhetorical one-up-man-ship, and seek to use the force of argument and deliberate misreading/misrepresentation to push their view.
To those who read objectively, it's obvious who does this and when they do. But like all 'true believers' (in their own views), they themselves are completely oblivious to their own behavior.
It's a GOOD think to have different views. They generate PERSPECTIVE, but only if you are willing to consider or engage in them in a constructive way.
And this sums it up. Yes.
Looks like recent information puts the helicopter 200m above where it was supposed to be. But hell 200m isn't much room for error though. Tragic accident though.
So, the plane had been diverted to a different runway at the last moment and had made it's turn and was on approach. The chopper was in a path restricted to 200' altitude, but was flying at 300 when it struck the plane, with apparently no indication of trying to avoid the aircraft. And you say parallel track, total accident. Riiiiiggghhhttt...
https://x.com/DerrickEvans4WV/status/1885322737373069390
So I would like to throw out another theory...have the bodies of the 3 military been recovered?
What if the helicopter was hijacked at the point of take off and this was not an accident. Is that possible
Deathray, lol. They are reasonable questions, from a layman's point of view. Where are you so desperate to state that this could NOT be anything other than an accident?
I know something of your background and approach. You've made some very good points in the course of this thread (points that should really be incorporated into anyone's thinking about the matter). But may I suggest, you seem to have become almost defensive in reaction to the noise of others?
Barbie was simply asking a question from her (his?) own knowledge base and level.
Note: I know its the new handle. I wanted to let you know that I know that you know that the old handle is retired but the owner of the handle isn't. I think.
On top of reading (and no doubt thinking) about crashes for half a century, you have a degree of highly trained and technical expertise (oooh, did I say a dirty word?), which can make it hard to process the ramblings of lesser mortals (I'm kidding) without some stomach cramps.
All good.
wwg1wga
NEW VIDEO: https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1885358731816309075
https://greatawakening.win/p/19AKOz7NcF/jo-ellis-is-not-the-pilot---case/c/
Incredibly Sad but well done explaining what most likely happened. A real professional.
https://greatawakening.win/p/19AKOwsEvz/potomac-mid-air-update-13025-bla/c/