The only way to stop the grandstanding and deception when voting for bills is to force stand alone issues only. Multiple issue bills only prove the existence of a uniparty.
I'm over the MOON that my Donald is our 47th president. That said, I don't love his inability to appreciate when principled people disagree with him. It gives those who scream, "SEE? THERE'S THE TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR WE WARNED YOU ABOUT!" significant fodder.
I believe in the Great Awakening. The fodder won't stop it. But as a person whose principles have cost me greatly, both personally and professionally, I wish Trump could see Massie and Rand Paul through the lens of both/and instead of either/or.
President Trump knows, Massie "knowingly" took part in an illegal manufactured effort (attempted coup) to take down the President of the United States, who said there was NOT an election fraud in 2020. "Trump was right about everything"
Really, vindman followed his principle, the gay general followed his principles comey followed his principles too. I suppose you support them too after all they just followed their own way. Remember, a plan is being followed. If Massie understood that he could ask why trump needs this. Perhaps he would find out it's better than what he is inclined to follow. Works both ways. I voted trump so he could do what he is doing, Massie isn't doing what he was voted in for. Stop idolizing him.
You nailed a big one, right up front -- I get SO fucking tired of smooth-brained liberals screaming, "mUh DeMoCrAcY!!!" when they have -- NO -- fucking idea what that word means, let alone knowing that we're a Constitutional Republic.
Of course, there are those among that smooth-brained group, who legit preach "democracy," because that's EXACTLY what they want...mob rule.
This was a previous post a few minutes ago...
DC_Draino (@DC_Draino)
What if I told you there was a GOP Congressman in office for 12+ years who has never passed a single bill, didn’t believe there was election fraud in 2020, loves Mitch McConnell, raised Biden’s debt ceiling, and is against term limits You’ll never guess who
Thanks. You just proved my point. Because he acts out-of-step, he must be destroyed.
By your logic, we should do the same w/ Rand Paul, a champion for limited government.
The Left has morality tests. Better if we distinguish ourselves, not by having morality tests of our own, but making allowances for nuance and differences of opinion, lest we become as rigid and totalitarian in our thinking as the Left.
Some big items there. No 2020 stolen election is a big one. So is passing the potato's debt ceiling, but no to a continuing resolution for Trump who says he needs this in place to be able to then attack the fraud/stolen funds that are our tax money. It's a lot more than 'acts out of step'. He doesn't support the white house which is fine. The turtle didn't either. He can join him. We are at war with the deep state. Literally. Assassination attempts, burning down businesses, stealing billions. Maybe you think it is politics as usual and meh, no big deal. I don't.
strong words. I'm not assassinating anything. What did I say that assassinated your character? Sorry. This is my last statement on this. I was just pointing out what Trump is up against. But it's only my opinion.
But the question is: WHY do you judge the WAY you do?
Is it because you see Trump as a cult leader?
A lot of people around here seem to think that way.
It's quite disgusting, actually.
Anyone who says, "Cuz muh Trump wants it that way" is a non-thinker. No critical thinking in that, at all.
Someone who has reasons why they support Trump on a particular issue is a thinker -- as is someone with reasons why they don't support Trump on a particular issue.
MAGA is a team effort. The plan is all Massie should be supporting. Trumps agenda is the people's will. Massies personal ideas be damned. His job is to support the will of the people.
Massie has no AIPAC handler. According to him, he is the ONLY one in Congress.
For anyone who does not know, the "I" in AIPAC stands for ISRAEL -- and NOT America.
Can Trump say that about himself? Most of his donors are AIPAC types.
Maybe that is playing a role in all this, since someone from AIPAC came out just a few days ago and said he wants to primary Massie, and he will have unlimited jew money to back the opponent. Dude said this publicly.
Looks to ME a lot like Trump pushing the AIPAC agenda here, since it was just a day or two after the AIPAC threat to primary, and Trump immediately does the same.
If Massie had voted with Trump, I have no doubt that Trump would have, at some point, said Massie needs to be primaried anyway. We will never know, though.
As far as this dispute between Trump and Massie, Trump should have AT LEAST come up with an outline of what his "Big Bill" is going to be.
AFAIK, he did not do that.
"Just trust me, bro."
Massie knows that game too well, and maybe he doesn't give Trump a pass the way you do.
So, Trump wants followers who have no REAL idea of WHY they should vote against their own principles.
That seems unreasonable, to me.
Many R's in Congress will support Trump no matter what, and MOST of them are RINO's and ALL of them have AIPAC handlers.
If this CR was being proposed last year, I bet you and everyone else here supporting your case would have been AGAINST it -- ONLY because it was Biden and not Trump.
You would have been pro-Massie.
Because Massie is RIGHT in that CR's have been nothing but fake bullshit.
Maybe this time, with Trump, it will be different.
But Trump is out of line with his attack in this case.
President Trump made a comment on Joe Rogan about why he didn't release the JFK files in his 1st term. He said and I paraphrase "it wasn't the time cause some of those involved were still alive" That's not an answer I would accept about any criminal. So why are the JKF criminals special?
I disagree with that logic 100%. So I will compromise with you and agree that President Trump usually has a good reason for saying/doing/posting etc... but not always.
Massie seems cool but if he is on the record saying there was no election fraud in 2020 that is a huge red flag to
me. Why did McConnell keep Garland off SC? What’s the real reason? I trust that Trump just can’t come out and say everything. So he has to do other things. Not saying Massie isn’t principled, but sometimes those types can’t recognize they get in their own way, due to politics and small town culture. Trump never sleeps and is facing serious world issues.
100%, fren -- if any elected official denies or blows off the 2020 election fraud, they get thrown in the "Fox News Channel" bucket, post-November 2020 (e.g., they are DEAD to me)
Since when do we want a BIG bill? We want a transparent bill that an every day American can read. Wish he would not have used that word. Big is for walls and winning. Not for Bills.
I don't know about "antichrist," but the Bible says that women are NOT to be leaders of men.
Seems to me, she has a VERY anti-Christ type of background.
According to Wiki:
Last name is hyphenated -- and the name she added is "Cain." VERY interesting name, biblically. I would think that would have been a red flag to anyone who claims that preaching Christianity is their profession.
Been married 3 times. That's a biblical no-no for a woman.
Got knocked up before getting married to Hubby #1. Not the ideal set of values.
2 years into Marriage #1, she started cheating on Hubby #1, and left him after 4 years to marry Hubby #2. Adultery is a BIG no-no -- it's even listed in the "Top 10 Countdown of DON'T Do This!"
Marriage #2 lasted 8 years.
She then had an affair with a married man -- a rock star from the band Journey (lol) -- and he divorced his wife to be with White-Cain. Doing adultery AGAIN.
Seems like she also might be a liar/deceiver: "Additionally, she has been criticized for claiming to have a doctoral degree when she has no college or seminary degree."
For a "spiritual leader," she doesn't seem to know much AT ALL about the Bible.
Looks like a VERY bad choice by Trump.
He could have picked almost anybody else and done better.
Massie doesn't have an AIPAC handler. If anyone were to stop sending israel money and weapons, another one of our warships would be "accidentally" attacked. That or a base in a neighboring country. It would be reported on for a single day, then quickly forgotten about.
Line Item Veto is allowed in my home state and I have always believed it would be good on a National level but the Supreme Court found otherwise in the 1998 case of Clinton v. City of New York. Their decision was based on the Separation of Powers doctrine. Congress had enacted a law authorizing the line item veto and President Clinton had used it, but on appeal the Supreme Court held in a 6 to 3 decision that when congress passed a law, the Constitution gave the President authority to approve or disapprove but not the power to amend or change legislation. They also held that Congress could not change the Constitution by enacting legislation granting this power to the President. In short, a Line Item Veto could only be authorized by means of a Constitutional Amendment.
I think he is opposed to giving free gibs to other countries with our tax money, and will not make an "exception" for Israel -- unlike the traitorous snakes in Congress.
POTUS is wrong, regardless of how much I like him. You cannot Make America Great Again without having an an inviolable respect for the Constitution. POTUS only deserves our support, as long as he is not violating the limits of power delegated to him by our Constitution.
@RepThomasMassie and @RandPaul are the only currently elected representatives with the guts and integrity to do the right thing. The Constitution is not optional.
The Constitution matters, and the limits of power are absolute.
For those of you who believe, I mean EARNESTLY believe POTUS is right, I challenge you to watch this video series regarding our Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of our Constitution established our Republic. I think you might change your mind as your ignorance is cured:
https://t.co/l0wNLri2EO
Massie F'd up. Get on board the train. There's a time to be a team player.
Yes he did but didn't his wife just die under some strange circumstances??
They whacked his wife. The message was clear - kids are next. Compromised, needs replacing.
Did the same to the boyfriend of kemp's daughter. Still a shitheel, needs replacing too.
The only way to stop the grandstanding and deception when voting for bills is to force stand alone issues only. Multiple issue bills only prove the existence of a uniparty.
Trump standard battle plan. Publicly shame, give the opportunity to get on board the train, then if you don’t you’re toast.
I'm over the MOON that my Donald is our 47th president. That said, I don't love his inability to appreciate when principled people disagree with him. It gives those who scream, "SEE? THERE'S THE TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR WE WARNED YOU ABOUT!" significant fodder.
I believe in the Great Awakening. The fodder won't stop it. But as a person whose principles have cost me greatly, both personally and professionally, I wish Trump could see Massie and Rand Paul through the lens of both/and instead of either/or.
President Trump knows, Massie "knowingly" took part in an illegal manufactured effort (attempted coup) to take down the President of the United States, who said there was NOT an election fraud in 2020. "Trump was right about everything"
You're doing the same thing right here. Because we disagree, I must not be paying attention.
I love Trump. He's my guy. But he's not infallible. And if you think he's not? You've put up a false idol.
Talk about old and worn out. Because we disagree, I'm not paying attention.
I've been listening closely to what he says since before he called out Obummer on the fake birth certificate. I can know how he thinks and disagree.
Because I'm not a number. I'm a free man.
I think you mean "not 'infallible'".
Yup. Thanks for that.
Really, vindman followed his principle, the gay general followed his principles comey followed his principles too. I suppose you support them too after all they just followed their own way. Remember, a plan is being followed. If Massie understood that he could ask why trump needs this. Perhaps he would find out it's better than what he is inclined to follow. Works both ways. I voted trump so he could do what he is doing, Massie isn't doing what he was voted in for. Stop idolizing him.
HOLY COW. I support a guy's right to think for himself, and I'm idolizing him?
Guess that makes me a heretic in your book, too.
Ask me if I care.
You nailed a big one, right up front -- I get SO fucking tired of smooth-brained liberals screaming, "mUh DeMoCrAcY!!!" when they have -- NO -- fucking idea what that word means, let alone knowing that we're a Constitutional Republic.
Of course, there are those among that smooth-brained group, who legit preach "democracy," because that's EXACTLY what they want...mob rule.
This was a previous post a few minutes ago... DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) What if I told you there was a GOP Congressman in office for 12+ years who has never passed a single bill, didn’t believe there was election fraud in 2020, loves Mitch McConnell, raised Biden’s debt ceiling, and is against term limits You’ll never guess who
Thanks. You just proved my point. Because he acts out-of-step, he must be destroyed.
By your logic, we should do the same w/ Rand Paul, a champion for limited government.
The Left has morality tests. Better if we distinguish ourselves, not by having morality tests of our own, but making allowances for nuance and differences of opinion, lest we become as rigid and totalitarian in our thinking as the Left.
Some big items there. No 2020 stolen election is a big one. So is passing the potato's debt ceiling, but no to a continuing resolution for Trump who says he needs this in place to be able to then attack the fraud/stolen funds that are our tax money. It's a lot more than 'acts out of step'. He doesn't support the white house which is fine. The turtle didn't either. He can join him. We are at war with the deep state. Literally. Assassination attempts, burning down businesses, stealing billions. Maybe you think it is politics as usual and meh, no big deal. I don't.
I love the part where you do the same, assassinating my character because we disagree.
You do you all you like. But my Lord and Savior told me, Judge not.
strong words. I'm not assassinating anything. What did I say that assassinated your character? Sorry. This is my last statement on this. I was just pointing out what Trump is up against. But it's only my opinion.
"Maybe you think it's politics as usual and meh, no big deal."
Putting words in your opponent's mouth? It's the first step in assassinating their character. Obviously.
Yet you judge.dont pretend you don't.
I never said I'm perfect.
But I'm not the one here who's okay w/ murdering a guy's reputation b/c he's thinking for himself.
That's you.
Everybody judges.
Don't pretend you don't.
In this thread, you are full of judgement.
And that is natural.
But the question is: WHY do you judge the WAY you do?
Is it because you see Trump as a cult leader?
A lot of people around here seem to think that way.
It's quite disgusting, actually.
Anyone who says, "Cuz muh Trump wants it that way" is a non-thinker. No critical thinking in that, at all.
Someone who has reasons why they support Trump on a particular issue is a thinker -- as is someone with reasons why they don't support Trump on a particular issue.
Everything you are asking of others is a morality test.
Wrong. The ability to think for oneself is our God-given right.
Anyone who would squash anyone's freedom to think for themselves is a tyrant.
And the problem that you can't see that isn't my problem. It's yours.
MAGA is a team effort. The plan is all Massie should be supporting. Trumps agenda is the people's will. Massies personal ideas be damned. His job is to support the will of the people.
First and foremost, Massie represents his God, the God of the Bible. After that comes the Constitution, and then his constituents.
Please share any statistical evidence you have that the people back home want their U.S. congressman to vote for the CR.
If you don't have it, you're making an assumption.
His job is to do his job, as he sees it.
Massie has no AIPAC handler. According to him, he is the ONLY one in Congress.
For anyone who does not know, the "I" in AIPAC stands for ISRAEL -- and NOT America.
Can Trump say that about himself? Most of his donors are AIPAC types.
Maybe that is playing a role in all this, since someone from AIPAC came out just a few days ago and said he wants to primary Massie, and he will have unlimited jew money to back the opponent. Dude said this publicly.
Looks to ME a lot like Trump pushing the AIPAC agenda here, since it was just a day or two after the AIPAC threat to primary, and Trump immediately does the same.
If Massie had voted with Trump, I have no doubt that Trump would have, at some point, said Massie needs to be primaried anyway. We will never know, though.
As far as this dispute between Trump and Massie, Trump should have AT LEAST come up with an outline of what his "Big Bill" is going to be.
AFAIK, he did not do that.
"Just trust me, bro."
Massie knows that game too well, and maybe he doesn't give Trump a pass the way you do.
So, Trump wants followers who have no REAL idea of WHY they should vote against their own principles.
That seems unreasonable, to me.
Many R's in Congress will support Trump no matter what, and MOST of them are RINO's and ALL of them have AIPAC handlers.
If this CR was being proposed last year, I bet you and everyone else here supporting your case would have been AGAINST it -- ONLY because it was Biden and not Trump.
You would have been pro-Massie.
Because Massie is RIGHT in that CR's have been nothing but fake bullshit.
Maybe this time, with Trump, it will be different.
But Trump is out of line with his attack in this case.
President Trump made a comment on Joe Rogan about why he didn't release the JFK files in his 1st term. He said and I paraphrase "it wasn't the time cause some of those involved were still alive" That's not an answer I would accept about any criminal. So why are the JKF criminals special?
I disagree with that logic 100%. So I will compromise with you and agree that President Trump usually has a good reason for saying/doing/posting etc... but not always.
Massie seems cool but if he is on the record saying there was no election fraud in 2020 that is a huge red flag to me. Why did McConnell keep Garland off SC? What’s the real reason? I trust that Trump just can’t come out and say everything. So he has to do other things. Not saying Massie isn’t principled, but sometimes those types can’t recognize they get in their own way, due to politics and small town culture. Trump never sleeps and is facing serious world issues.
100%, fren -- if any elected official denies or blows off the 2020 election fraud, they get thrown in the "Fox News Channel" bucket, post-November 2020 (e.g., they are DEAD to me)
Since when do we want a BIG bill? We want a transparent bill that an every day American can read. Wish he would not have used that word. Big is for walls and winning. Not for Bills.
LOL.
Does Massie receive money from AIPAC?
If I’m remembering correctly, I think he’s one of very few that doesn’t receive AIPAC funding.
That's very interesting..
According to him, in an interview (Tucker Carlson), he is is the ONLY Republican in Congress that does NOT have "an AIPAC guy."
My guess: Dems, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2reaGhLnYI
Trump, OTOH, is full of AIPAC guys.
I suspect this is playing a role in Trump's attack on Massie, as AIPAC said a few days ago they plan to primary Massie.
AIPAC Is not our friend.
Trump picked Paula White as his spirtual leader. A woman. Antichrist!
I don't know about "antichrist," but the Bible says that women are NOT to be leaders of men.
Seems to me, she has a VERY anti-Christ type of background.
According to Wiki:
Last name is hyphenated -- and the name she added is "Cain." VERY interesting name, biblically. I would think that would have been a red flag to anyone who claims that preaching Christianity is their profession.
Been married 3 times. That's a biblical no-no for a woman.
Got knocked up before getting married to Hubby #1. Not the ideal set of values.
2 years into Marriage #1, she started cheating on Hubby #1, and left him after 4 years to marry Hubby #2. Adultery is a BIG no-no -- it's even listed in the "Top 10 Countdown of DON'T Do This!"
Marriage #2 lasted 8 years.
She then had an affair with a married man -- a rock star from the band Journey (lol) -- and he divorced his wife to be with White-Cain. Doing adultery AGAIN.
Seems like she also might be a liar/deceiver: "Additionally, she has been criticized for claiming to have a doctoral degree when she has no college or seminary degree."
For a "spiritual leader," she doesn't seem to know much AT ALL about the Bible.
Looks like a VERY bad choice by Trump.
He could have picked almost anybody else and done better.
Makes you wonder what Trump is thinking in having her as his "spiritual advisor"
we just need two more weeks
u/#trumpnope
Massie doesn't have an AIPAC handler. If anyone were to stop sending israel money and weapons, another one of our warships would be "accidentally" attacked. That or a base in a neighboring country. It would be reported on for a single day, then quickly forgotten about.
I have been screaming for "line item veto" on bills since lil Georgie short-pants Bush was in office.
Line Item Veto is allowed in my home state and I have always believed it would be good on a National level but the Supreme Court found otherwise in the 1998 case of Clinton v. City of New York. Their decision was based on the Separation of Powers doctrine. Congress had enacted a law authorizing the line item veto and President Clinton had used it, but on appeal the Supreme Court held in a 6 to 3 decision that when congress passed a law, the Constitution gave the President authority to approve or disapprove but not the power to amend or change legislation. They also held that Congress could not change the Constitution by enacting legislation granting this power to the President. In short, a Line Item Veto could only be authorized by means of a Constitutional Amendment.
Good info.
I agree with the SCOTUS on this.
Although it would be good with Trump in office, what about if another Commie gets in?
Congress: Pass your bill, and Prez says yes or no.
Much cleaner that way.
This is all part of the movie, something bigger at play here. It's best not to read too much into this.
Isn't Massie anti-Israel? There's layers to this story
I think he is opposed to giving free gibs to other countries with our tax money, and will not make an "exception" for Israel -- unlike the traitorous snakes in Congress.
I'm gonna wait until this is all played out before I pass judgement on Massie...
I wonder what happened to Massie's Wife??
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article289961714.html
https://rumble.com/v6qi12m-rep.-thomas-massie-explains-the-fake-fight-over-the-continuing-resolution-c.html
Somebody got something on him.
That's their problem: They DON'T have anything on Massie. Can't even get him to talk to a damn AIPAC handler.
That's why they hate him.
I think there's much more to this than we are meant to see. Trump and Massie aren't enemies. Optics are at play.
"To deceive your enemies you must first deceive your friends"
Would upvote this but it's sitting on 17, so I'll wait a bit.
POTUS is wrong, regardless of how much I like him. You cannot Make America Great Again without having an an inviolable respect for the Constitution. POTUS only deserves our support, as long as he is not violating the limits of power delegated to him by our Constitution.
@RepThomasMassie and @RandPaul are the only currently elected representatives with the guts and integrity to do the right thing. The Constitution is not optional.
The Constitution matters, and the limits of power are absolute.
For those of you who believe, I mean EARNESTLY believe POTUS is right, I challenge you to watch this video series regarding our Constitution, and the principles upon which the framers of our Constitution established our Republic. I think you might change your mind as your ignorance is cured: https://t.co/l0wNLri2EO