I heard a piece a couple days back that really brought home the power of the spirit.
One of the searchers looking for flood victims in Texas said he was hearing a voice that kept repeating can you hear me. He couldn't find the source of the voice, and he called a friend over to come listen. His friend couldn't hear it, and he was ready to brush it off, but his friend said no lets keep looking something is here. They found the body of an eight year old girl.
A relative in Kerrville said this morning it is raining and flooding the streets again. Pray for the folks searching, and those in harms way.
I’ve been researching near death experiences for a while now and this is not an uncommon experience. Atheists often go to heaven and meet who they perceive to be Jesus.
Funny enough, people of other religions sometimes have near death experiences and perceive Jesus to be there, sometimes completely changing their religious beliefs.
I’ve listened and researched a couple hundred of these events and one thing is for sure that basically nobody comes back as a “bible thumping” Christian regardless of their prior beliefs and the Bible is never mentioned.
I’m not discounting the Bible, just saying that the vast majority of people who get a message from Jesus say that message is roughly that we are here to love each other as if they were ourselves, and to grow our soul and experience. And sometimes a more personal message about a persons mission or purpose on this earth.
And even more so, people say that you can’t even put into words the love and peace that you feel in this other realm and/or with Jesus or god. What’s waiting for all of us on the other side is so incredibly wonderful that we can’t even fathom it.
Edit: sorry for the long comment but I had to add that so many people also say that Jesus wants a personal relationship with you. That’s so important to him. Not doing everything it says in the Bible, not making sure you don’t do X or making sure you remember to do Y but just a personal relationship with you, the unique individual that you are
A lot of the people making the negative comments here have obviously never actually had a meaningful conversation with someone who experienced an NDE. There is a huge difference between being "religious" and being "spiritual". The Bible tries to teach people how to behave, to advance and become more "spiritual". Once someone learns the difference, they can never go back. Unfortunately, many are stuck in whatever dogma their "religion" taught them and can't move forward. Spiritual people understand how it's all interconnected.
I’ve researched and heard people’s stories but never had a convo with them although simply speaking with one of these people would be an amazing experience I think.
I don’t disagree with you but I think it’s such a nuanced discussion that it’s hard to have in this context. I do think some people are religious for the “wrong” reasons but I also think god has a plan for everyone so as long as you’re doing your best and trying to be a good person that’s the most important thing.
I was atheist and from some personal experiences plus the nde stuff, I’ve become what I call a “follower of Jesus” but not a Christian as of right now. I’ll just see where life takes me from here.
The term “Christian” isn’t what followers of Jesus called themselves..they were followers of Jesus or Christ. The term Christian was used by the people of Antioch, who first called those who followed Jesus, Christians. The Bible shows this. Peter himself said this. As is mentioned in the Bible a few times. It’s ok to call yourself a Christian of course. But the words “follower of Jesus” imo is the correct terminology. So if you are a follower of Christ, technically yes, you’re also a Christian.
Also understand Jesus is the only way to a eternal life in heaven. By accepting Jesus as your personal savior and believing he died for your sins, was buried in a tomb, and on the third day was resurrected. You will be saved. And once saved, as your begin your relationship with Jesus, salvation, you are held in the hand of God. And once there, you cannot be removed. If you have salvation, this relationship, it’ll grow. Jesus will reside in your heart. Keep Him there. There will be so much you’ll see and learn from the Holy Spirit. It’s amazing. Bless you friend. And thank you Lord for your love and peace, and joy. And forgiveness. Thank you.
Thank you for these kind words. It’s really interesting because I don’t believe I ever heard the term “follower of Jesus”. Like I said I was atheist and didn’t go to church or read much religious literature. I honestly just felt that specific wording in my heart and went with it so it’s nice how you’ve tied that in to specific wording of the Bible and traditional Christianity.
As far as what I said about Jesus wanting a personal relationship, I don’t really know what that means and I’m having trouble figuring out what I should do to establish that relationship. I feel like I’ve accepted Jesus into my heart but not necessarily my mind because I’m a very logical scientifically minded person and that’s been a bit more difficult. Do you have any thoughts on that?
I guess I could pray or something but I don’t really know how to do that either. I’m a mess I know lol
Well the best advice I want to give and probably could give is this, you need a church to go to. I mean an actual building. A few years ago I was very similar to what you are today. And I asked, after finding Christ or accepting or however you want to say it, I asked to be surrounded by those who worship Jesus. I just needed some good folks who are flawed like me, who fight sin daily, and who follow and worship Jesus. And God delivered. I also said I want to learn. I mean really, I wanna learn about my savior and the one who I can now feel in my very being. So I started a Sunday school class in a nearby baptist church. I knew like only one person there. But I just walked in, and let the Lord guide me. I was more afraid of disappointing Jesus than meeting new people. So I was like, I’ll hold your hand and let you lead me. And whatever happens happens. And it has been amazing. I’ve learned so much. I’ve learned how to have that relationship with Jesus. I’ve learned how to pray. I saw others do such an amazing job. How they talked to the Lord. That personal relationship was and is beautiful. So it may not be the advice you wanna hear, but I’m telling you, having a place of worship, with others, is an amazing thing. Just ask or pray to help lead you to somewhere that’s good. That’ll help you. The Lord will take care of it. Jesus speaks of us gathering in worship. It’s important for, well survival basically. We need each other. And where we gather, Christ will be there. I hope you can find something like this. Something weekly and often. It’ll help you grow so much.
Yeah I’ve definitely thought about that and looked around a bit but haven’t actually gone yet. Although im not nervous about physically going, im not sure that I’ll fit in there.
My views on god are new and shaped mostly from my own experiences and nde’s and I’m thinking that might not go over too well. Not that I would necessarily have to share my specific views about god but I’m not really sure how that all works.
But I will ponder that. And thank you again for taking the time to write and share your personal experiences and offer that advice
THIS is what I talk about when I talk about consciousness. We do not need to be “dead” in our body to have an experience like this. We just have to remember.
This happened to me back in the 70's after a head-on collision. I remember when I woke from a coma that I was 100% certain that I had been in the presents of Jesus Christ.
I am typically skeptical of near death experiences where people see Jesus, I'm still undecided on this as well. However after watching this multiple times I am confident the child thought he saw both Jesus and his Dad.
Seeing tears of joy stream down his face; what a blessing it is for that child to experience the love of both Jesus and his father again in that moment.
Either way God is good and so wonderful to see this boy knows Him.
Am I wrong here. A lot of you believe in the biblical God and God being Jesus. God (Jesus) floods the entire Earth. Kills everyone. Jesus killed more people than all human dictators combined, can't even debate this according to your own instruction manual. This is why I have such a hard time accepting Jesus being God. To me God is more like the Force, a cosmic consciousness that doesn't take human form. Jesus feels like Santa for adults to me but I could be wrong. Why do I need Jesus? Can't I just believe in God? Why does Jesus have such an ego?
Also it feel like we're born into this world without consent. Created by Jesus but if we don't figure out he is God and worship him our entire lives, we go to Hell? Like how do you guys subscribe to that? Stockholm syndrome or something? I 100% believe in God but do not believe Jesus is God.
I'm not a Christian because I don't like churches, and believe that while the original revelations people in the Bible were given, as well as what Jesus preached, are probably true, because humans have free will the actual truth has probably been hidden under layers of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. It was, after all, humans who compiled the Bible and decided what was accepted into it and what was not, and churches who have been telling us for a centuries what it all really means - in their interpretations. Except most of those priests and other notables, especially on the upper levels, may have been more interested in politics. They, after all, had to make sure that the Church, especially in the beginning when it was mostly what now is the Catholic church, was trying to just survive, and later, spread and get as many people under it as possible.
They did use forced conversions back then too. Accept Christianity or die... and everybody who dared to doubt The Church risked dying as a heretic so it was "accept what WE say is Christianity" too.
And those old revelations were also given to people who lived in very different societies with very different worldviews, and different languages, and the people who tried to explain what they had gotten used metaphors and words which may have been what people then could understand, but which we, not truly knowing how people back then really thought, may now easily misinterpret. So for most of my life I have thought that taking something like the Bible literally is probably understanding what is in it often more or less wrong.
I think there is a core that is true there, and that Christianity may be one of the better interpretations at least as far as its cultural impact is considered, as Western cultures have been quite successful compared to several others (not because God favors us, but because at least parts of what Christianity teaches can create well working human societies... so it might be closer to the actual truth).
But since I also think that a just God would not give the truth to just one group of people and abandon everybody who is outside that group - Christians, when the majority of people who have lived after Christ truly have never had much of a chance to maybe ever even hear such a religion exists. That just doesn't sound at all just, and, well, I refuse to believe in an unjust God. And even when they have known about Christianity, maybe even had a chance to study it, they often, or maybe most times, haven't had a realistic chance to convert to it as most people stay with whatever their surrounding culture has - I just believe that all major religions have probably had similar true revelations, or have started with them (or most anyway). So the best way to go with all that may be comparing everything and seeing what they may have in common. Or maybe also read about what NDEs, and other people who now seem to be having some sort of revelations, are saying, by taking as many as you can and again comparing them and seeing if there are similarities, and how much, and how they compare to what existing religions say.
Well, who knows whether I am wrong or right. But that is what I think.
You cannot separate the two, God and Jesus are one, we call him his son, because he assumed the life of a human mortal, became incarnate from a woman, born through a womb, and became fully human. God so loved the world, and that love brought him to experience our pain, fully, through his death. By experiencing this pain, every ounce of it, the whippings, the humiliations, the betrayal, the thorns, the nails, the excruciating pain of the cross, forgiveness became the key to our immortality with him. God did not have to do this, God is God, true light from true light, but his LOVE , and by his LOVE, and through his LOVE, we are forgiven, and are urged to forgive our human weakness. It had to be displayed in real time and with real blood and with real loss, for us to understand, to have ears to hear and eyes to see. As we understand, and try our best to return that love, we are redeemed, not only from sin, but from death. If you accept that God is almighty, and capable of creating a Universe, why then can he not change and become mortal and walk with us and talk with us and break bread with us? How can he live with us over two thousand years later? By the Holy Spirit. How can an atom turn into a tree, or a mineral, or a table top, or a fire? Those terrible things you speak of were done by man, not God, by men who turned from HIM. There are two things that are beyond Gods mercy, the harm done to children, and by denying his existence, by denying Christ. Does Jesus drop bombs on children? God is no longer a God of wrath, because his wrath did nothing to change sinful man's ways, but his sacrifice did. I shudder to think what this world would have become without the Christ, the messiah, the wonderful counselor, our Emmanuel. It;s a very good chance that none of us would be here, because we would have wiped ourselves out long ago.
This is something I have questions about. If Jesus is God, then is Mary the mother of God or just Jesus? Mary is a mortal and cannot be the mother of God because God is the eternal sovereign. But she is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God. Help me understand please.
She birthed him.Think of it as a surrogate mother, if you will. Perhaps he received his humanity, or, human experience through her, some of her human dna. God from God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father, which tells me it was a form of Incarnation. We are all carbon based, but we are not a piece of coal. I cannot explain it in scientific terms, but I know that carbon is the key in all molecules that form organic life forms on Earth, If the Holy Spirit as one of the three components of God, and that formed within Mary,, from Marys body, the human birth of God, God did not become Jesus, God was still present, as Christ referred to him as The Father, Now, there are many Christians who do not believe in the Trinity, but right now you are engaging with one who does. God,exists in all 3 forms, at the same time, but remaining the one true God. Nature is a reverberation of this divine mystery, the butterfly starts as an insect egg, turns into a leaf muching worm, and then turns into a butterfly,, I am a gardener, but I cannot slice up a tomato seed and serve it with a salad, I would need a damn small knife. But creation reverberates and echos divinity. In that way, we all call ourselves children of God, but there was just one Christ, God in human form, the Messiah who would usher in a world of Gods love and Gods justice, with Gods laws, which were laid down for us. A final chance for redemption, a human teacher who could speak to his people and disciples to hear, not just some special holy men. He spoke to all, so that all could be saved, because he loves us that much. He sacrificed his son, but he also walked to that cross as an example to us, that as long as we are in human form, we are commanded to obey, be humble, charitable, forgiving, as he was as Jesus the Christ. Is it metaphysical? You betcha, it requires a leap of Faith. Faith is a daily workout, when we see how the world really is, this dimension of the world that we trudge through. Our only hope is Faith.
I have so many people that come to me to talk about scripture that do not believe in the Trinity and I tell them no. Just because the Bible never used the term 'trinity' does not mean that a trinity doesn't exist. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit all exist in these peoples version of the scripture but they deny the trinity. I don't understand that either because it clearly exists. It doesn't matter that no one in the bible used that term, it only matters that all three exist and in that we agree. So yeah, I don't get the denial of the trinity just because man called it such without biblical backing.
Thank you for the response, it gives much to think about and more to read/study. My problem is I did prove God/Jesus in scientific terms (at least to me I did) and so I carry on in that direction. It is very difficult. Do you know of Tim Alberino at all and do you listen to him?
I do not know Tim Alberino. The Bible does not use the word trinity, but when Jesus said, I and the Father are one, and again says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, and Paul in Colossians 2:9 says "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form" and although Jesus departed, the Holy Spirit came, not in his place, but as him in yet another form, the tongues of flame were seen over the disciples heads, and they spoke in tongues, yet understood each other. I was raised in a church that preached the trinity, but I know there are some that do not, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and something called oneness pentacostal, and the Unitarian Universalist, although the latter are not Christian. The joke about Unitarians is, "How do you know there were Unitarians that came to your house?"-"Because you were woken in the middle of the night and found a question mark.burning on your lawn".
She was Jesus’ Mother. All human and chosen. She provide a place for Christ to become both man and God. Otherwise the Trinity would remain totally spirit. Christ accepting His new role as the Perfect man forever changed Him.
We are sinful People, everyone is sinful. God Can NOT be around sin its against Him, so He cant see you. So He sent His Son to absorb/cover our sins So God can see us. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
I empathize with your position, having pondered the same thoughts in my 20's. The truth that kept me grounded to the gospel, though, was that the basis for my doubt was the exact same lie that Satan told Eve... "You shall not surely die." When the reality is that sin brings death.
Here is a simple analogy of why sin keeps us from God's presence...
When dishes are dirty, we don't put them in the cupboard with the clean dishes. God is holy. We are not. When covered in sin, we can be with him.
Imagine a plate full of grease. The grease represents sin.
Imagine us trying to clean off the grease by running water over it. The water represents our best works and deeds. Water can not remove grease because they do not mix.
Now imagine using soap to remove the grease. (Soap is part oil and part water, so it is able to bond with the grease and lift it off the dish.) The soap represents Jesus, exemplifying how Jesus is both God and man. Only he can lift away our sin. Without him, our sin stays, just like without soap, the grease stays on the plate.
How can we put a dirty, greasy plate into the cupboard full of clean dishes?
All we have to do is ask Jesus to be our Savior, willingly choosing to turn from sin, applying the soap to our greasy plates. It is a gift of grace.
This analogy is over simplified, of course, but it shows you the reality of how our sin keeps us from God's presence. Without believing we need Jesus, we would never care about sharing this gift with others. What a good way for Satan to win. Satan's success relies on us believing his main lie that "You shall not surely die", or his second main lie that good works are enough.
Your time on earth is the snap of a finger. It doesn't matter how or when you go, you will go. Our concept that everyone should get to live a long and full life is just that our desire.
So many people are confused and clueless. And a few are arrogant in their confusion. Heaven exists, plain and simple. You don't have to wait until you die to see it. Develop your connection to God through forgiveness. The more you do, the more you will realize that God speaks to everyone constantly. You just call it something else like "intuition" or your "conscience." This world is not Heaven, but Heaven is your home. The boy was seeing Jesus and speaking to him and to his deceased father, and to God in real time. God, Jesus and his late father were healing the boy with holy love and light. Note how the idiotic nurses and even his mother were constantly trying to interrupt and distract him away from his Holy "communion." If you have a single brain cell in your head, you don't interrupt when God is speaking to someone!! One of the nurses even said, "He's dreaming"... no stupid, THIS WORLD is the dream (nightmare). Heaven is reality. Heaven is the world God made. Nothing can change it. The boy has woken up and never will be the same.
When I was a young one the day after JFK was assassinated, I dreamed I went to heaven. I saw many heroes of human liberty among the Ivory columns. I didn’t know all the names but I saw Washington, Lincoln and JFK. The memory stuck with me.
Nice dream. The dead are dead until Christ returns and raises them up. psalms says there is no remembrance from the grave. Read you bibles and rightly divide the Word as instructed. Downvotes dont change Gods Word.
where in the bible is 'soul sleep' taught? Isn't this a 7'th dayer thing? So no remembrance from the grave equates to soul sleep? I have a hard time with that one considering the rest of the bible. It's ok though, one can be forgiven for not fully understanding scripture.
I didn't down vote you, but wanted to say, people ain't down voting the Word of God, they're just down voting your take on it. Takes quite the high opinion of oneself to conflate the two.
Hard pass. You die once. I have 43 years in a large metro hospital. If there is any electrical activity in the heart, then you can come back because NOT dead. If there isn’t any electrical activity then you meet God but DON’T come back. Flatlines have been Hollywooded, if you will.
Hmmm. Meet me, someone who flatlined - and came back. I never left - really. I OD'd when I was 15. I could hear the paramedics saying "She has no vitals - call the flight for life." I could hear them, but I was in a different space, realm what have you. It was a beautiful place - although, I could not open my eyes to see it. It felt beautiful and completely peaceful. I know Jesus was there with me.
that picture of him waking from a head injury is wild. he's not hooked up to air or scalp electrodes, which are crucial for diagnosing and monitoring various neurological conditions, including epilepsy, sleep disorders, and brain injuries.
His head isn't even shaved. lol.
it's a.i. of course. is this an appeal to emotions? don't put emotions before facts.
This is a common way to explain away near death experiences but it’s an incomplete way of explaining it.
First the experiences of someone on dmt and someone in a near death experience have similarities but more differences. That’s too in depth for me to explain right this moment but the info is out there.
Second this doesn’t explain some of the best evidence for nde’s being real which is that people visually see things that they would have no way to know. There’s dozens of documented occurrences of people seeing drs, nurse, bystanders etc doing something out of the norm at the scene of their death which they are later able to recount to the person. This while they were laying there dead. And even if they somehow weren’t actually dead (or our definition of death is wrong) they were completely unconscious and unable to perceive these events as they happened.
I agree - I’ve done quite a few DMT trips and it’s incredible what it does and where it takes you. It doesn’t take me to ‘heaven’ in a sense, but it snaps me into some other world for sure. The ‘entities’ seem just as surprised to see me as I am of them to simply ‘appear’ in their world.
I heard a piece a couple days back that really brought home the power of the spirit.
One of the searchers looking for flood victims in Texas said he was hearing a voice that kept repeating can you hear me. He couldn't find the source of the voice, and he called a friend over to come listen. His friend couldn't hear it, and he was ready to brush it off, but his friend said no lets keep looking something is here. They found the body of an eight year old girl.
A relative in Kerrville said this morning it is raining and flooding the streets again. Pray for the folks searching, and those in harms way.
Chills...✨🪽
I’ve been researching near death experiences for a while now and this is not an uncommon experience. Atheists often go to heaven and meet who they perceive to be Jesus.
Funny enough, people of other religions sometimes have near death experiences and perceive Jesus to be there, sometimes completely changing their religious beliefs.
I’ve listened and researched a couple hundred of these events and one thing is for sure that basically nobody comes back as a “bible thumping” Christian regardless of their prior beliefs and the Bible is never mentioned.
I’m not discounting the Bible, just saying that the vast majority of people who get a message from Jesus say that message is roughly that we are here to love each other as if they were ourselves, and to grow our soul and experience. And sometimes a more personal message about a persons mission or purpose on this earth.
And even more so, people say that you can’t even put into words the love and peace that you feel in this other realm and/or with Jesus or god. What’s waiting for all of us on the other side is so incredibly wonderful that we can’t even fathom it.
Edit: sorry for the long comment but I had to add that so many people also say that Jesus wants a personal relationship with you. That’s so important to him. Not doing everything it says in the Bible, not making sure you don’t do X or making sure you remember to do Y but just a personal relationship with you, the unique individual that you are
A lot of the people making the negative comments here have obviously never actually had a meaningful conversation with someone who experienced an NDE. There is a huge difference between being "religious" and being "spiritual". The Bible tries to teach people how to behave, to advance and become more "spiritual". Once someone learns the difference, they can never go back. Unfortunately, many are stuck in whatever dogma their "religion" taught them and can't move forward. Spiritual people understand how it's all interconnected.
I’ve researched and heard people’s stories but never had a convo with them although simply speaking with one of these people would be an amazing experience I think.
I don’t disagree with you but I think it’s such a nuanced discussion that it’s hard to have in this context. I do think some people are religious for the “wrong” reasons but I also think god has a plan for everyone so as long as you’re doing your best and trying to be a good person that’s the most important thing.
I was atheist and from some personal experiences plus the nde stuff, I’ve become what I call a “follower of Jesus” but not a Christian as of right now. I’ll just see where life takes me from here.
The term “Christian” isn’t what followers of Jesus called themselves..they were followers of Jesus or Christ. The term Christian was used by the people of Antioch, who first called those who followed Jesus, Christians. The Bible shows this. Peter himself said this. As is mentioned in the Bible a few times. It’s ok to call yourself a Christian of course. But the words “follower of Jesus” imo is the correct terminology. So if you are a follower of Christ, technically yes, you’re also a Christian. Also understand Jesus is the only way to a eternal life in heaven. By accepting Jesus as your personal savior and believing he died for your sins, was buried in a tomb, and on the third day was resurrected. You will be saved. And once saved, as your begin your relationship with Jesus, salvation, you are held in the hand of God. And once there, you cannot be removed. If you have salvation, this relationship, it’ll grow. Jesus will reside in your heart. Keep Him there. There will be so much you’ll see and learn from the Holy Spirit. It’s amazing. Bless you friend. And thank you Lord for your love and peace, and joy. And forgiveness. Thank you.
Thank you for these kind words. It’s really interesting because I don’t believe I ever heard the term “follower of Jesus”. Like I said I was atheist and didn’t go to church or read much religious literature. I honestly just felt that specific wording in my heart and went with it so it’s nice how you’ve tied that in to specific wording of the Bible and traditional Christianity.
As far as what I said about Jesus wanting a personal relationship, I don’t really know what that means and I’m having trouble figuring out what I should do to establish that relationship. I feel like I’ve accepted Jesus into my heart but not necessarily my mind because I’m a very logical scientifically minded person and that’s been a bit more difficult. Do you have any thoughts on that?
I guess I could pray or something but I don’t really know how to do that either. I’m a mess I know lol
Well the best advice I want to give and probably could give is this, you need a church to go to. I mean an actual building. A few years ago I was very similar to what you are today. And I asked, after finding Christ or accepting or however you want to say it, I asked to be surrounded by those who worship Jesus. I just needed some good folks who are flawed like me, who fight sin daily, and who follow and worship Jesus. And God delivered. I also said I want to learn. I mean really, I wanna learn about my savior and the one who I can now feel in my very being. So I started a Sunday school class in a nearby baptist church. I knew like only one person there. But I just walked in, and let the Lord guide me. I was more afraid of disappointing Jesus than meeting new people. So I was like, I’ll hold your hand and let you lead me. And whatever happens happens. And it has been amazing. I’ve learned so much. I’ve learned how to have that relationship with Jesus. I’ve learned how to pray. I saw others do such an amazing job. How they talked to the Lord. That personal relationship was and is beautiful. So it may not be the advice you wanna hear, but I’m telling you, having a place of worship, with others, is an amazing thing. Just ask or pray to help lead you to somewhere that’s good. That’ll help you. The Lord will take care of it. Jesus speaks of us gathering in worship. It’s important for, well survival basically. We need each other. And where we gather, Christ will be there. I hope you can find something like this. Something weekly and often. It’ll help you grow so much.
Yeah I’ve definitely thought about that and looked around a bit but haven’t actually gone yet. Although im not nervous about physically going, im not sure that I’ll fit in there.
My views on god are new and shaped mostly from my own experiences and nde’s and I’m thinking that might not go over too well. Not that I would necessarily have to share my specific views about god but I’m not really sure how that all works.
But I will ponder that. And thank you again for taking the time to write and share your personal experiences and offer that advice
"personal relationship" : The Greatest Fear of all Religions
"Neither shall men say, Lo here, or lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17 :21 -- 1599 Geneva
Truth.
Very powerful.
THIS is what I talk about when I talk about consciousness. We do not need to be “dead” in our body to have an experience like this. We just have to remember.
One of Socrates's axioms was we don't learn, we remember.
Time was created so everything doesn't happen all at once. We are too simple to handle it all. We weren't ready to eat the Fruit of the Tree.
So here we are.
This happened to me back in the 70's after a head-on collision. I remember when I woke from a coma that I was 100% certain that I had been in the presents of Jesus Christ.
I am typically skeptical of near death experiences where people see Jesus, I'm still undecided on this as well. However after watching this multiple times I am confident the child thought he saw both Jesus and his Dad.
Seeing tears of joy stream down his face; what a blessing it is for that child to experience the love of both Jesus and his father again in that moment.
Either way God is good and so wonderful to see this boy knows Him.
Am I wrong here. A lot of you believe in the biblical God and God being Jesus. God (Jesus) floods the entire Earth. Kills everyone. Jesus killed more people than all human dictators combined, can't even debate this according to your own instruction manual. This is why I have such a hard time accepting Jesus being God. To me God is more like the Force, a cosmic consciousness that doesn't take human form. Jesus feels like Santa for adults to me but I could be wrong. Why do I need Jesus? Can't I just believe in God? Why does Jesus have such an ego?
Also it feel like we're born into this world without consent. Created by Jesus but if we don't figure out he is God and worship him our entire lives, we go to Hell? Like how do you guys subscribe to that? Stockholm syndrome or something? I 100% believe in God but do not believe Jesus is God.
I'm not a Christian because I don't like churches, and believe that while the original revelations people in the Bible were given, as well as what Jesus preached, are probably true, because humans have free will the actual truth has probably been hidden under layers of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. It was, after all, humans who compiled the Bible and decided what was accepted into it and what was not, and churches who have been telling us for a centuries what it all really means - in their interpretations. Except most of those priests and other notables, especially on the upper levels, may have been more interested in politics. They, after all, had to make sure that the Church, especially in the beginning when it was mostly what now is the Catholic church, was trying to just survive, and later, spread and get as many people under it as possible.
They did use forced conversions back then too. Accept Christianity or die... and everybody who dared to doubt The Church risked dying as a heretic so it was "accept what WE say is Christianity" too.
And those old revelations were also given to people who lived in very different societies with very different worldviews, and different languages, and the people who tried to explain what they had gotten used metaphors and words which may have been what people then could understand, but which we, not truly knowing how people back then really thought, may now easily misinterpret. So for most of my life I have thought that taking something like the Bible literally is probably understanding what is in it often more or less wrong.
I think there is a core that is true there, and that Christianity may be one of the better interpretations at least as far as its cultural impact is considered, as Western cultures have been quite successful compared to several others (not because God favors us, but because at least parts of what Christianity teaches can create well working human societies... so it might be closer to the actual truth).
But since I also think that a just God would not give the truth to just one group of people and abandon everybody who is outside that group - Christians, when the majority of people who have lived after Christ truly have never had much of a chance to maybe ever even hear such a religion exists. That just doesn't sound at all just, and, well, I refuse to believe in an unjust God. And even when they have known about Christianity, maybe even had a chance to study it, they often, or maybe most times, haven't had a realistic chance to convert to it as most people stay with whatever their surrounding culture has - I just believe that all major religions have probably had similar true revelations, or have started with them (or most anyway). So the best way to go with all that may be comparing everything and seeing what they may have in common. Or maybe also read about what NDEs, and other people who now seem to be having some sort of revelations, are saying, by taking as many as you can and again comparing them and seeing if there are similarities, and how much, and how they compare to what existing religions say.
Well, who knows whether I am wrong or right. But that is what I think.
"Neither shall men say, Lo here, or lo there: for behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17 :21 -- 1599 Geneva
You cannot separate the two, God and Jesus are one, we call him his son, because he assumed the life of a human mortal, became incarnate from a woman, born through a womb, and became fully human. God so loved the world, and that love brought him to experience our pain, fully, through his death. By experiencing this pain, every ounce of it, the whippings, the humiliations, the betrayal, the thorns, the nails, the excruciating pain of the cross, forgiveness became the key to our immortality with him. God did not have to do this, God is God, true light from true light, but his LOVE , and by his LOVE, and through his LOVE, we are forgiven, and are urged to forgive our human weakness. It had to be displayed in real time and with real blood and with real loss, for us to understand, to have ears to hear and eyes to see. As we understand, and try our best to return that love, we are redeemed, not only from sin, but from death. If you accept that God is almighty, and capable of creating a Universe, why then can he not change and become mortal and walk with us and talk with us and break bread with us? How can he live with us over two thousand years later? By the Holy Spirit. How can an atom turn into a tree, or a mineral, or a table top, or a fire? Those terrible things you speak of were done by man, not God, by men who turned from HIM. There are two things that are beyond Gods mercy, the harm done to children, and by denying his existence, by denying Christ. Does Jesus drop bombs on children? God is no longer a God of wrath, because his wrath did nothing to change sinful man's ways, but his sacrifice did. I shudder to think what this world would have become without the Christ, the messiah, the wonderful counselor, our Emmanuel. It;s a very good chance that none of us would be here, because we would have wiped ourselves out long ago.
This is something I have questions about. If Jesus is God, then is Mary the mother of God or just Jesus? Mary is a mortal and cannot be the mother of God because God is the eternal sovereign. But she is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God. Help me understand please.
She birthed him.Think of it as a surrogate mother, if you will. Perhaps he received his humanity, or, human experience through her, some of her human dna. God from God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father, which tells me it was a form of Incarnation. We are all carbon based, but we are not a piece of coal. I cannot explain it in scientific terms, but I know that carbon is the key in all molecules that form organic life forms on Earth, If the Holy Spirit as one of the three components of God, and that formed within Mary,, from Marys body, the human birth of God, God did not become Jesus, God was still present, as Christ referred to him as The Father, Now, there are many Christians who do not believe in the Trinity, but right now you are engaging with one who does. God,exists in all 3 forms, at the same time, but remaining the one true God. Nature is a reverberation of this divine mystery, the butterfly starts as an insect egg, turns into a leaf muching worm, and then turns into a butterfly,, I am a gardener, but I cannot slice up a tomato seed and serve it with a salad, I would need a damn small knife. But creation reverberates and echos divinity. In that way, we all call ourselves children of God, but there was just one Christ, God in human form, the Messiah who would usher in a world of Gods love and Gods justice, with Gods laws, which were laid down for us. A final chance for redemption, a human teacher who could speak to his people and disciples to hear, not just some special holy men. He spoke to all, so that all could be saved, because he loves us that much. He sacrificed his son, but he also walked to that cross as an example to us, that as long as we are in human form, we are commanded to obey, be humble, charitable, forgiving, as he was as Jesus the Christ. Is it metaphysical? You betcha, it requires a leap of Faith. Faith is a daily workout, when we see how the world really is, this dimension of the world that we trudge through. Our only hope is Faith.
I have so many people that come to me to talk about scripture that do not believe in the Trinity and I tell them no. Just because the Bible never used the term 'trinity' does not mean that a trinity doesn't exist. The Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit all exist in these peoples version of the scripture but they deny the trinity. I don't understand that either because it clearly exists. It doesn't matter that no one in the bible used that term, it only matters that all three exist and in that we agree. So yeah, I don't get the denial of the trinity just because man called it such without biblical backing.
Thank you for the response, it gives much to think about and more to read/study. My problem is I did prove God/Jesus in scientific terms (at least to me I did) and so I carry on in that direction. It is very difficult. Do you know of Tim Alberino at all and do you listen to him?
I do not know Tim Alberino. The Bible does not use the word trinity, but when Jesus said, I and the Father are one, and again says that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, and Paul in Colossians 2:9 says "In Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form" and although Jesus departed, the Holy Spirit came, not in his place, but as him in yet another form, the tongues of flame were seen over the disciples heads, and they spoke in tongues, yet understood each other. I was raised in a church that preached the trinity, but I know there are some that do not, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and something called oneness pentacostal, and the Unitarian Universalist, although the latter are not Christian. The joke about Unitarians is, "How do you know there were Unitarians that came to your house?"-"Because you were woken in the middle of the night and found a question mark.burning on your lawn".
T.D. Jakes comes to mind. You cannot go wrong with The Berean Call. Dave Hunt one of the most solid teachers I know. https://www.thebereancall.org/?sapurl=Lys5MjZkL2xiL2xpLyt3dm44dWs4P2JyYW5kaW5nPXRydWUmZW1iZWQ9dHJ1ZSZyZWNlbnRSb3V0ZT1hcHAud2ViLWFwcC5saWJyYXJ5Lmxpc3QmcmVjZW50Um91dGVTbHVnPSUyQnd2bjh1azg=
Also if you like the science part of Creation go here. https://www.icr.org/. Good stuff.
She was Jesus’ Mother. All human and chosen. She provide a place for Christ to become both man and God. Otherwise the Trinity would remain totally spirit. Christ accepting His new role as the Perfect man forever changed Him.
We are sinful People, everyone is sinful. God Can NOT be around sin its against Him, so He cant see you. So He sent His Son to absorb/cover our sins So God can see us. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
I empathize with your position, having pondered the same thoughts in my 20's. The truth that kept me grounded to the gospel, though, was that the basis for my doubt was the exact same lie that Satan told Eve... "You shall not surely die." When the reality is that sin brings death.
Here is a simple analogy of why sin keeps us from God's presence...
When dishes are dirty, we don't put them in the cupboard with the clean dishes. God is holy. We are not. When covered in sin, we can be with him.
Imagine a plate full of grease. The grease represents sin.
Imagine us trying to clean off the grease by running water over it. The water represents our best works and deeds. Water can not remove grease because they do not mix.
Now imagine using soap to remove the grease. (Soap is part oil and part water, so it is able to bond with the grease and lift it off the dish.) The soap represents Jesus, exemplifying how Jesus is both God and man. Only he can lift away our sin. Without him, our sin stays, just like without soap, the grease stays on the plate.
How can we put a dirty, greasy plate into the cupboard full of clean dishes?
All we have to do is ask Jesus to be our Savior, willingly choosing to turn from sin, applying the soap to our greasy plates. It is a gift of grace.
This analogy is over simplified, of course, but it shows you the reality of how our sin keeps us from God's presence. Without believing we need Jesus, we would never care about sharing this gift with others. What a good way for Satan to win. Satan's success relies on us believing his main lie that "You shall not surely die", or his second main lie that good works are enough.
Your time on earth is the snap of a finger. It doesn't matter how or when you go, you will go. Our concept that everyone should get to live a long and full life is just that our desire.
Wow, that took my breath away.
So many people are confused and clueless. And a few are arrogant in their confusion. Heaven exists, plain and simple. You don't have to wait until you die to see it. Develop your connection to God through forgiveness. The more you do, the more you will realize that God speaks to everyone constantly. You just call it something else like "intuition" or your "conscience." This world is not Heaven, but Heaven is your home. The boy was seeing Jesus and speaking to him and to his deceased father, and to God in real time. God, Jesus and his late father were healing the boy with holy love and light. Note how the idiotic nurses and even his mother were constantly trying to interrupt and distract him away from his Holy "communion." If you have a single brain cell in your head, you don't interrupt when God is speaking to someone!! One of the nurses even said, "He's dreaming"... no stupid, THIS WORLD is the dream (nightmare). Heaven is reality. Heaven is the world God made. Nothing can change it. The boy has woken up and never will be the same.
When I was a young one the day after JFK was assassinated, I dreamed I went to heaven. I saw many heroes of human liberty among the Ivory columns. I didn’t know all the names but I saw Washington, Lincoln and JFK. The memory stuck with me.
Finally, some good news..
That’s amazing! Hard to watch and not cry.
Wow, an amazing video. Hopefully God forgives us. Blessings to everyone here.
Nice dream. The dead are dead until Christ returns and raises them up. psalms says there is no remembrance from the grave. Read you bibles and rightly divide the Word as instructed. Downvotes dont change Gods Word.
where in the bible is 'soul sleep' taught? Isn't this a 7'th dayer thing? So no remembrance from the grave equates to soul sleep? I have a hard time with that one considering the rest of the bible. It's ok though, one can be forgiven for not fully understanding scripture.
I didn't down vote you, but wanted to say, people ain't down voting the Word of God, they're just down voting your take on it. Takes quite the high opinion of oneself to conflate the two.
BOOM!!! This.
Hard pass. You die once. I have 43 years in a large metro hospital. If there is any electrical activity in the heart, then you can come back because NOT dead. If there isn’t any electrical activity then you meet God but DON’T come back. Flatlines have been Hollywooded, if you will.
Hmmm. Meet me, someone who flatlined - and came back. I never left - really. I OD'd when I was 15. I could hear the paramedics saying "She has no vitals - call the flight for life." I could hear them, but I was in a different space, realm what have you. It was a beautiful place - although, I could not open my eyes to see it. It felt beautiful and completely peaceful. I know Jesus was there with me.
that picture of him waking from a head injury is wild. he's not hooked up to air or scalp electrodes, which are crucial for diagnosing and monitoring various neurological conditions, including epilepsy, sleep disorders, and brain injuries. His head isn't even shaved. lol.
it's a.i. of course. is this an appeal to emotions? don't put emotions before facts.
This is a common way to explain away near death experiences but it’s an incomplete way of explaining it.
First the experiences of someone on dmt and someone in a near death experience have similarities but more differences. That’s too in depth for me to explain right this moment but the info is out there.
Second this doesn’t explain some of the best evidence for nde’s being real which is that people visually see things that they would have no way to know. There’s dozens of documented occurrences of people seeing drs, nurse, bystanders etc doing something out of the norm at the scene of their death which they are later able to recount to the person. This while they were laying there dead. And even if they somehow weren’t actually dead (or our definition of death is wrong) they were completely unconscious and unable to perceive these events as they happened.
Astral projection yields similar stories. It is nothing to mess with.
I agree - I’ve done quite a few DMT trips and it’s incredible what it does and where it takes you. It doesn’t take me to ‘heaven’ in a sense, but it snaps me into some other world for sure. The ‘entities’ seem just as surprised to see me as I am of them to simply ‘appear’ in their world.