The original asylums (in Britain) had vegetable gardens which the patients worked to produce their own food, some of them had dairy and pig farms.
These days gardening for crazy folk is seen as highly therapeutic and a new development in treatment. Art therapy was introduced in a Surrey hospital during WW2 and this was also found to help the patients and the doctors trying to understand them.
We had these in America too, the mental facilities had fully working farms we had a few scattered throughout Los Angeles County until Reagan/Bush Defunded them in the late 1980s. This ultimately led to our current homeless crisis.
Most of these facilities still exist in and around LA. They’ve been occupied by various government agency’s but with a little work could be converted back to their original purpose.
If Trump is truly going to make America great again he needs to address the homeless issue on a federal level. It won’t go away if the states/local cities continue to do what they do… convert local motels into shitty homeless shelters that ultimately do nothing for the problem.
I grew up in the Napa Valley before it was know for its wine. It was mainly prune orchards back then. However we were mainly know as crazy town due to Napa State Hospital that was a fully functional mental hospital with everything a self sustaining city would need. When Regan closed these hospitals everything turned to shit. Bring them back!
I originally thought they could use the Fed Buildings as a prison, but using them as an asylum is even better! Seriously though, this is absolutely essential. Getting rid of the asylums in the 70's is one of the stupidest things our government has ever done.
Getting rid of the asylums in the 70's is one of the stupidest things our government has ever done.
At least initially they were resistant to it. But the Activists and Protests against Asylums and involuntary commitment won out. And then the Government realized they could get Net Financial Drains off their Balance Books.
If there’s a retarded policy or law that’s not directly attributable to a Wealthy interest. Odds are good there are activists to thank for it.
Yes. And I remember when this happened - I think I was in high school. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" was a big deal and every nurse was Nurse Ratchet. As per usual, no liberal mind has the capability to project the future consequences of their actions.
They used to be called State Hospitals, and they were run very well. In the old days, they had their own farms, bakeries, and the grounds were like parks. The problems came about is that they were also used as dumping grounds for disabled people who did not have mental illness, but were considered to be, like cerebral palsy was considered mental retardation, and high functioning autistics. There are people who will never be able to live succesfully on their own, even with help. The severe mentally ill, the sociopaths, the methheads, the borderlines, etc should not be on the streets, how is an institution worse than sleeping underground in subway holes, or on boxes and tarps in some trees next to a railroad track? The State Hospitals employed a lot of people, the physical plant itself employed maintenance people, electricians, kitchen workers, etc. Higher functioning people got jobs working there, yes medications were given, for halluninations, severe anxiety, manic swings and severe depressive epsisodes.They emptied the State Hospitals starting in the 70's, for awhile their were programs, it was decided it was cheaper to support people in the community instead of running an entire institution. I am not sure that equation works anymore. There also was a thing called "Poor Farms", actual farms where impoverished people, mildly retarded people who did not need care and could do simple labor, lived and thrived like one big family. I know that the largest city in Vermont has a huge homeless problem, and half of them are street crazies and the other half are hooked on drugs. In NYC,, they emptied the State Hospitals and the people ended up on the streets, using illegal drugs to self medicate. Isn;t it more humane to have a person walking the halls of a state hospital , talking to themselves and pointing at nothing and screaming, but still be able to sleep in a bed and get 3 meals a day, than having them walking on sidewalks pissing and shitting and begging? I worked in both hospitals and community, I;ve been an advocate for the disabled all of my career, the community programs and residential programs do not work for everyone, they need to be in a locked situation, their behavior controlled and moderated, and safe. Some of the kindest people I have ever met have worked in institutions, they do not have to be hell holes, not at all.
We need them back ASAP! It's not working currently where these people just rotate between our criminal justice system, medical system, and homelessness. It's a huge burden on doctors and police. It's a public safety threat where innocent people are being stabbed or pushed onto subway tracks. And of course when these people get ahold of street drugs like crack and meth become even more dangerous.
Who is defining what mentally ill means? When we have the next woke leader, and we will, they will want to put us in the facilities that Trump opens. Not saying we don't need to do something about the crazies, just worried about future implementation.
In 2002 they started closing all of the mental health hospitals in Florida. The first one was Arcadia. Just look at the reasons...all BS that would just land them on the streets with homeless. All because big pharma has medication now! BS!
"The closure of G. Pierce Wood Memorial Hospital in Arcadia, Florida, that occurred in February 2002.
The reasons for its closure, as well as the broader trend of psychiatric hospital closures (deinstitutionalization), are multifaceted:
Incidents of patient harm and neglect: A series of incidents involving patient deaths and injuries at G. Pierce Wood prompted its closure.
Shift towards community-based care: The philosophy of mental health care has moved away from large, institutional settings towards smaller, community-based programs emphasizing outpatient treatment and support services. Many experts believe patients can recover faster and more effectively in these settings.
Development of psychotropic medications: The discovery and use of psychiatric drugs in the mid-20th century allowed for the management of psychotic episodes and reduced the need for long-term hospitalization and restraints."
They better build big facilities cause they're going to fill up really fast.
The facilities being built for deportations could be repurposed once they're not in high demand.
Given the Mental Illness aspect. Probably not. At least not for severe cases. Maybe for the run of the Mill Drug Addicts.
Time for MAGA, Make Asylums Great Again
Lots of government buildings sitting idle
The original asylums (in Britain) had vegetable gardens which the patients worked to produce their own food, some of them had dairy and pig farms.
These days gardening for crazy folk is seen as highly therapeutic and a new development in treatment. Art therapy was introduced in a Surrey hospital during WW2 and this was also found to help the patients and the doctors trying to understand them.
Just a few thoughts...
Lots of sane people would stand to benefit from spending time outside in the sunshine.
We had these in America too, the mental facilities had fully working farms we had a few scattered throughout Los Angeles County until Reagan/Bush Defunded them in the late 1980s. This ultimately led to our current homeless crisis.
Most of these facilities still exist in and around LA. They’ve been occupied by various government agency’s but with a little work could be converted back to their original purpose.
If Trump is truly going to make America great again he needs to address the homeless issue on a federal level. It won’t go away if the states/local cities continue to do what they do… convert local motels into shitty homeless shelters that ultimately do nothing for the problem.
I grew up in the Napa Valley before it was know for its wine. It was mainly prune orchards back then. However we were mainly know as crazy town due to Napa State Hospital that was a fully functional mental hospital with everything a self sustaining city would need. When Regan closed these hospitals everything turned to shit. Bring them back!
They could call it the DNC. What sane person would refer to themselves as they/them or change genders ona whim?
I suggest Department of Neurological Care, since somethings wrong with their brains.
That would take a lot of the homeless off the streets. If done correctly it would be a good thing.
I originally thought they could use the Fed Buildings as a prison, but using them as an asylum is even better! Seriously though, this is absolutely essential. Getting rid of the asylums in the 70's is one of the stupidest things our government has ever done.
At least initially they were resistant to it. But the Activists and Protests against Asylums and involuntary commitment won out. And then the Government realized they could get Net Financial Drains off their Balance Books.
If there’s a retarded policy or law that’s not directly attributable to a Wealthy interest. Odds are good there are activists to thank for it.
Yes. And I remember when this happened - I think I was in high school. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" was a big deal and every nurse was Nurse Ratchet. As per usual, no liberal mind has the capability to project the future consequences of their actions.
thought the dems were all for asylum, amIrite?
Thanks to Gerardo Rivera and his salacious documentary in the 70's about these asylums are why they were closed.
Bleeding heart liberal.
As Jim Quinn used to say "Liberalism always causes the exact opposite of its stated intent".
I live down the street from Pennhurst.
There’s a lot of people in my area that were kept there and remain traumatized by their treatment.
Those places had little oversight. Many people did not have family members that were involved enough in their care to keep abuse from happening.
The streets should be safe and those who need help should get it but really wish people wouldn’t forget these people are still human.
I agree.
Put one in DC and call it Arkham Asylum. They will get asylum from being unhomed.
Idk...some socialists saw the "Joker" movie and want to follow in its footsteps to "kill the rich"
.....To the happy home! With trees and flowers and chirping birds, and life is beautiful ALL the time....
They used to be called State Hospitals, and they were run very well. In the old days, they had their own farms, bakeries, and the grounds were like parks. The problems came about is that they were also used as dumping grounds for disabled people who did not have mental illness, but were considered to be, like cerebral palsy was considered mental retardation, and high functioning autistics. There are people who will never be able to live succesfully on their own, even with help. The severe mentally ill, the sociopaths, the methheads, the borderlines, etc should not be on the streets, how is an institution worse than sleeping underground in subway holes, or on boxes and tarps in some trees next to a railroad track? The State Hospitals employed a lot of people, the physical plant itself employed maintenance people, electricians, kitchen workers, etc. Higher functioning people got jobs working there, yes medications were given, for halluninations, severe anxiety, manic swings and severe depressive epsisodes.They emptied the State Hospitals starting in the 70's, for awhile their were programs, it was decided it was cheaper to support people in the community instead of running an entire institution. I am not sure that equation works anymore. There also was a thing called "Poor Farms", actual farms where impoverished people, mildly retarded people who did not need care and could do simple labor, lived and thrived like one big family. I know that the largest city in Vermont has a huge homeless problem, and half of them are street crazies and the other half are hooked on drugs. In NYC,, they emptied the State Hospitals and the people ended up on the streets, using illegal drugs to self medicate. Isn;t it more humane to have a person walking the halls of a state hospital , talking to themselves and pointing at nothing and screaming, but still be able to sleep in a bed and get 3 meals a day, than having them walking on sidewalks pissing and shitting and begging? I worked in both hospitals and community, I;ve been an advocate for the disabled all of my career, the community programs and residential programs do not work for everyone, they need to be in a locked situation, their behavior controlled and moderated, and safe. Some of the kindest people I have ever met have worked in institutions, they do not have to be hell holes, not at all.
We need them back ASAP! It's not working currently where these people just rotate between our criminal justice system, medical system, and homelessness. It's a huge burden on doctors and police. It's a public safety threat where innocent people are being stabbed or pushed onto subway tracks. And of course when these people get ahold of street drugs like crack and meth become even more dangerous.
The days of the county home, poor farm, etc…
Maybe we really are in the little season.
This could fix the Karen problem lol
Who is defining what mentally ill means? When we have the next woke leader, and we will, they will want to put us in the facilities that Trump opens. Not saying we don't need to do something about the crazies, just worried about future implementation.
In 2002 they started closing all of the mental health hospitals in Florida. The first one was Arcadia. Just look at the reasons...all BS that would just land them on the streets with homeless. All because big pharma has medication now! BS!
"The closure of G. Pierce Wood Memorial Hospital in Arcadia, Florida, that occurred in February 2002. The reasons for its closure, as well as the broader trend of psychiatric hospital closures (deinstitutionalization), are multifaceted: Incidents of patient harm and neglect: A series of incidents involving patient deaths and injuries at G. Pierce Wood prompted its closure. Shift towards community-based care: The philosophy of mental health care has moved away from large, institutional settings towards smaller, community-based programs emphasizing outpatient treatment and support services. Many experts believe patients can recover faster and more effectively in these settings. Development of psychotropic medications: The discovery and use of psychiatric drugs in the mid-20th century allowed for the management of psychotic episodes and reduced the need for long-term hospitalization and restraints."
Start rounding them up in Washington, Oregon and California.
Amen
House of representatives could be used to shelter in place, since most patients meet there daily anyways.