Hey y'all - it's been a long time since I've posted. Apologies if these questions have been posted previously:
Does anyone who knows anything about firearms and basic ballistics believe the .30-06 theory? Kirk's body was so tough, it internally deflected itself, potentially saving lives?
The weird widow acting. She's an actress.
The trap door. The drones. The ISR jet. The magical chair. The jumping ring. Pulling off a memorial service that is more like a tent revival for 300,000 people in under 10 days.
None of this feels real to me.
I swear I was told this was all a Movie...like Central Casting. Have another bowl of popcorn and Enjoy the Show my Frens.
A few days after the assassination, there were over 50k people identified as gloating over the murder at CharliesMurderers.com (which they took down for liability reasons).
But if there's 50k people willing to publicly dance a jig over the murder, certainly there was at least one of them crazy enough to do it. They can't all be actors.
It's a centuries-entrenched cabal with unlimited resources and they've been indoctrinating children for decades. We can't be so naive to think WW3 will have no casualties.
Odds are that it was a real murder.
Have a look. There's a half dozen or more just like it. https://rumble.com/v6z5jjg-the-charlie-kirk-assassination-hoax-full-breakdown.html We can disagree but I'm willing to see where this all goes. I'm thinking that too many of us are biased by the decades of forensic crime shows.
Nobody pushing the "Charlie Kirk's death was a hoax" even begins touching the implications with a 10 foot pole. Not a single one.
What would it even mean if Charlie Kirk's death was a hoax? Perpetrated by who, the left?
No -- the left is getting the shit kicked out of them as democrats slam the door on the way out. Not to mention, the left would find it easier to just kill someone rather than go through the work of setting up a hoax.
Perpetrated by Israel? What do they gain by having the Overton window shift 10 degrees to the right? Nothing.
Imagine laying it all on the line and insisting it's a hoax and not being willing to say who committed the hoax. Why is that? It seems extremely sus to me.
Not to mention that Charlie Kirk would have to be in on it. Would this Godly man, who co-founded Turning Point in 2012 ... work his ass off building the most influential conservative organization in US history over a span of 14 years ... just as the setup for a hoax?
Why, as a lie? Faux discrimination against conservatives to push the Overton window? And now what, he's going to hide in a basement for the rest of his life? Those pushing it is a hoax won't say that, because they know they'll look batshit crazy.
I'm going to lay down the definitive proof that it's not a hoax right now. That proof is ... not a single person claiming it is a hoax will touch the implications and ramifications with a 10-foot pole.
2032
"Hey everybody, looga meee! Charlie Kirk here in the flesh, running for president! Thought I was dead? Ha ha ha joke's on you! Vote fer meee! I'll never lie to you (AGAIN, that is)!"
This is what the hoax folks think will happen I guess
EDIT: Altered year to 2032 - he has to be 35 to run for president :)
Kek
“Hoax” doesn’t necessarily mean “he’s not dead”, it can mean, “it wasn’t a 17 year old that did it”.
It only means the facts as presented don’t line up. They didn’t line up at Butler, they didn’t line up on 9/11, they didn’t line up in Dallas, etc.
Where do we go from there? Beats the crap outta me.
Spot on. In the exact same fashion they dragged JFK Jrs corpse through the mud for years now. It's disrespectful, disgusting, and completely ridiculous.
I agree. It feels like Butler 2.0.
Same staging.
exactly^
it was either staged, and Q is in Total control.
or some guy got past security, and changed the entire trajectory of Q's plan...
I agree Sue, precisely.
Don't be a stranger.
We haven't come to a conclusion yet,but I see lots of fukery with the story.
Look for the post below about the possible exploding blue tooth microphone.
Hey Bro. I saw that theory. It doesn't math. Boating season almost over so more free time, LOL.
I'm watching Gabbard, Rubio, Eric deliver flawless speeches without a prompter or notes. This doesn't happen in nature.
Ok but these people are used to delivering speeches in public all the time. Is it really that hard to deliver this speech esp if they knew him like a friend?
I just gave it a quick look I'm watching the service.
I said to joy that Rubio,gave a better speech than when he was running for president.
I made a comment on a highly trafficked post that said "No way in hell you could put a production of this magnitude together in a week" based on a decade of big, live event production experience. The comment drew the attention of an almost no follower account on X.
The follower intrigued me with his comments, so I asked him a highly technical question pertaining to the "chain hoists" used for the super structure. He came back with not only the manufacturer, but the right amount and load ratings for the specific brand. I asked a couple more questions and it turned out it was the CEO of the production company that put on memorial. I have no doubt about this - his account was small because he was hacked. Even the name on the account checked out.
Anyhow, one of the questions I asked was if he was handed a plan or could provide a pic of the info plate on the stage CAD and he said he couldn't - NDA.
I suspect they really did pull off the memorial service based on a detailed plan that took more than a week to develop.
Every day that goes by I become less and less convinced we saw Kirk's murder.
I have no experience with that,couldn't they just modify an existing plan?
They did have that extra area in front not in use, maybe it fit some other plan.
When I was involved in big, live events almost 30 years ago, an event like this took 6 months to plan. Music, crowd control, Secret Service, facilities, stage design, AV, printed materials, graphic design, etc.
Granted, they have a huge army of volunteers, but a small team has to come up with the master plan and cover every detail and contingency.
Yes, they could have used a pre-existing set which would have sped things up greatly. Or they could have modular set design with integrated LED for all I know.
With their resources, if they were handed a fully baked plan with 1 week to execute, yes, I think they could execute. BUT, that plan would be something to develop in 48 hours.
Nothing feels right about the entire scenario: Erika, ballistics, trap door, crime scene, hand signals, funeral video, Dignified transfer of remains, etc.
They left would move heaven and earth to find the grave site so they could desecrate it. It ain't hard to find a "normal" funeral.
Patriots would drop everything else to focus on this,company's would also do everything they can to help.
Look at what was done during WW2 they build the Mustang from start of design to production in months... and many other things like it.
Yeah I was surprised by how good it was.
Do you mean Don Jr?
Yes. I always mix their names up.
I get it; Eric looks more like DJT.
Q was right. There is a mass shift going on towards God/Jesus/Faith. I'm not religious, but I pray and believe in God. We're watching a high tech tent revival.
I’m not buying any of it. I’ve said it from the beginning, Charlie is not dead, he’s safely tucked away. I waited to mention it until that night so if I was right, they’d have time to get him away from there. It’s looking like Israel was after him so this had to happen. I just hope all of the other heroes in this saga are tucked away with him. P.S.- It’s good to see you again!
Ah, another person hearing a signal through the noise. Agreed. Now, can we discuss why we’re seeing what we’re seeing? What purpose does it serve and why now.
I'm watching Eric right now. He's delivering a helluva speech with no prompter or notes. The production value is off the charts. Absolutely no way you could pull this off in <10 days.
If you know much about it and want to do a thread on what goes into “production value”, “high production value”, “time/money efforts involved”, etc for us ignoramuses (I know nothing about it), it might be very helpful for recognition from us noninitiates.
Glad to see you post blacksmith!
Sup girl? Watching this memorial and it is wild. The audience closeups look AI. Rubio, Gabbard, Eric delivering flawless speeches without a prompter or print. Everything is so off. I'm thinking Trump has mastered the white psyop.
"White psyop". That is a great term for all of nonsense connected with Charlie.
Erika is doing a great job delivering her lines.
My wife is saying that she is very composed for a woman who just lost her husband. She doesn't believe Charlie was shot. Holes in the story are appearing every day.
I am having the same thoughts.
Thats the right showing solidarity against those violent ass holes on the left. Maybe you should do the same unless you are actually on the left.
Can you not see what this is doing. The left is falling because of everything going on I say keep it going.
It's stunning what is being achieved with this incident.
Seems like another Ashley Babbit event...
Vegas
One way or the other I have full faith in God. Only 2 things could this be: This (as well as President Trump's wounding) was a miracle of sorts. Or we are all being led to slaughter. Either way we should stay prepared...
Clearly lots of people do believe it. I'm sure most of them do so in unquestioning good faith, which could be - ahem - extremely dangerous to our democracy.
But I'm afraid it had to be this way.
(And ... welcome back, blacksmith21.)
There's so much noise with this whole episode it's hard to focus on anything. There's too many people claiming to be experts coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches, too.
My suggestion is to just sit back and continue watching without paying too close attention to the noise. There's way too many stores out now with supposed information coming from unnamed "sources close to..." or some such B.S.
Do you think we will see a fast trial and AI death penalty?
I break it down to three possibilities.
The current narrative that Tyler Robinson shot and killed him. And all that goes with that theory.
Someone up close killed him. I can’t imagine a way that this can happen without collusion from Charlie’s entourage and security. They would know details to disprove number 1.
It was all fake. Collusion for the psyop would be from top to bottom from all involved. I highly doubt this one, but the fact that crews scrubbed the area and moved the tent and cameras right away, made things look staged . As well as they shuttled Charlie away in a personal vehicle as opposed to an ambulance. It was like no one was there after a few hours.
I am going with number one for the time being.
Unfortunately #3 has the fastest building body if evidence.
Yeah, when I say I am going with number one, that doesn’t mean that is what I believe. That is just plugged into a placeholder for now.
Number three would mean that Charlie would have to disappear for the rest of his life. Would martyrdom outweigh what he could contribute alive? Today seems like a movie though.
Trump: "He's Eternal". Maybe he and his wife was all kayfabe. I know it's a lot to digest, but we are watching a movie.
As long as we’re winning, I’ll just have to look at Charlie Kirk as a fallen soldier for the cause.
I definitely don’t believe the man of steel opposing the bullet. That fake narrative would lend to the number three theory.
Mythical figure.
I have not seen any compelling evidence that disproves the official story.
Most of the bullshit I see revolves around some variation of a narrative that a 30-06 must leave a massive exit would. That's simply not true, because none of those narratives take into account the grain load of the bullet. The bullet could very likely have been loaded as a lower power bullet compared to a standard 30-06.
We know the gun was customized. It's-very possible that the bullet was also customized too, with a weaker powder load. Using custom ammunition is common practice for many people who use customized guns.
Why would someone use a low powder round in a mauser? As someone who has shot a mauser, I can tell you that gun kicks like a damn mule. Using a lighter than standard load would certainly have benefits.
And, none of the above takes into consideration whether or not Kirk as wearing and armor plates.
TL;DR: The absence of an exit wound proves nothing at all without other, solid corroborating evidence to support those unofficial theories.
Maybe I’m not giving them enough credit, but are you suggesting that a liberal who was dating a transgender would think about things like “grain load”?
If someone was, there were probably others involved, which still breaks the current official narrative, yes?
It was his grandfathers gun. He may have simply grabbed bullets that his grandfather had that were already modified. A stock Mauser is a big, heavy gun with a lot of recoil. The modified Mauser he was using was able to be disassembled and, I would venture to guess that it was probably smaller and lighter than a stock Mauser. A lighter weight gun would make its kick-recoil worse.
Assuming his grandfather is around +/-60 years old, I could imagine grandpa using modified lower power bullets to reduce kick, and improve accuracy.
Ah, possibly.
Even if it was non expanding round, it would have blown right through a human neck. 30-06 will break down an elk shoulder or two and destroy everything in between. The human neck is highly vulnerable. Those little vertebrae don't do shit to something moving at 3000 fps w/ 2000 ft/lbs of energy. Yet, the bullet was under the skin. Removed by the surgeon, not the pathologist. Keep telling yourself that. The only photo of the Mauser 98 showed it in a synthetic stock. I have one in .300WM. There is nothing ballistically or forensically which makes sense about UVU.
A 30-06 can have custom loads with significantly less power than normal loads.
That's still a lot of punch, but less than half the power of a heavy load.
It doesn't seem real to me either. I am just watching it all from a distance at this point. Still can't tell if The Great Awakening is a God Thing or just one Cabal taking down another cabal. That idea was postulated in an article in the first edition of the new George magazine that was released online a few years ago. The article stuck with me. Plus no one ever said anything about Racine. I would say we are all fucked but my man Jesus of Nazareth has this well in hand.
Remember in Revelation when the second beast was given power to give voice to the first (Hi, Sleepy Joe!), and everyone marveled at the power of the beast?
Yeah I’m with you, really hoping that’s not what’s going on, but we appear to be transitioning from maritime law to a new rare-earth governed system, so…
Just keep working on getting right with God. Always the right answer regardless where this is going. It’s clearly Biblical, I just can’t tell where we are in the story…
Edit: That’s not what I think is happening, but it’s a potential option to watch out for.
I've seen for years her on GW that we're watching a movie and we should "enjoy the show". I want to be crystal clear that there is NOTHING enjoyable about the depths of evil we are witnessing. It hurts my soul. You may want to explain it away but don't bother. Ivm reading here and learning almost every day so I'm aware to trust the process. Still, this is not enjoyable and I just want my Bible. I never want to become desensitized to the evil.
❤️🙏
Pizzagate desensitized me.
I'm so sorry
IF ONE is trying to get as much info so that they can ultimately decide what makes the most sense to them then I suggest this video on the "might be staged side."
https://rumble.com/v6z5jjg-the-charlie-kirk-assassination-hoax-full-breakdown.html
I just got to the "what if something 'exploded' inside his tshirt?" That's where I'm at. Latex, compressed air, blood pack, encrypted frequency to make a fake rifle from a dude that doesn't exist due to signature reduction. Nothing adds up.
There is a theory about that too, that it was his wireless mic exploding:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1968489707563549064.html
But I also don't understand this in that he always used a handheld mic and was using one that day.
Funny, I was just looking to see where you’d been.
No, don’t believe it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ids8RqQh3qU
Also, what is up with the clock ticking noise every so often?