https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-tells-laura-ingraham-u-014550763.html
im sitting here pondering what the 5d chess interpretation of this is but im coming up with nothing. this just seems like a slap in the face. id be curious to understand what trump thinks he will gain from saying something like this. Taking it at face value id call trump a faggot of the highest degree. whats behind face value with this anons, im actually angry at him for this. this is the gayest thing ive ever heard trump say.
It would take a few years to build up/ train a workforce,Trump wants this built now. Their will still be a lot of jobs building the plant,and we have men for that. We can also build the roads and housing and shops and such.
Over time they can cut back on the number of visas and force them to train Americans. And he's probably not stupid enough to tell the companies that in advance.
We need to look at these things and think about how a winner,would make the deal a win for Americans.
TBH. The Military can train High schoolers to operate and maintain a Nuclear Submarine and other million and billion dollar hardware in a matter of months.
So we’re supposed to believe we can’t train people to assemble missiles on an assembly line In the same amount of time?
I perfectly understand why though. Almost everything he wants to do requires more bodies than there are trained Americans. Then you also need to navigate Union politics. As the trade Unions can throw wrenches in the training of new Tradesmen. As sudden influxes of new blood threaten the premiums they can command.
Part of the problem overall and really why people are pissed is the Corporate World has been abusing the fuck out of the Visas. So why should we believe the corporations are suddenly bringing in all this talent we don’t have. When the people they seem to be bringing in is Rajesh the 7-11 manager and Omar the grunt coder for Google.
Especially pertinent when more and more Americans are ending up on the unemployment line. And their options to retrain are disappearing behind skyhigh education bills.
I train young men for similar work everyday. They have to work with a very experienced person to train them. And if your working a very simple production line you still need experienced people for quality control,and to fix problems.
Boeing is having massive quality control issues with the new tanker they are building,because they do not have enough experienced mechanics.
Americans can and should be trained for the jobs,but its a monumental undertaking.
Nuke school is a year long. The full training depends in your specialty. Electronics etc. Tje full training can take 2.5 years depending. Then youbget on the job and spend 2 more years qualifying. Iy is not an easy or short processs.
My interpretation of this is that he's using the public's Trump Derangement Syndrome to shift the Overton Window against foreign labor. It's very easy for him to say no H1B and be called a racist. If he says America can't work it gets the anti-MAGA people on board with opposing H1B. It's called a memetic payload. He uses this tactic often.
What Trump is saying is true, but only in a very small number of cases. Nowhere on the scale that the H1-B visa program is used.
Here and there, on a high tech project in aviation or biotech or whatever, there will be a problem that requires some unusual type of specialist to solve. And sometimes there just aren't any U.S. specialists available for that problem. So some dude from Italy or Germany or wherever needs to be hired for the job. But these cases are few and far between.
We have the right talent, and we have enough people that are actively teaching themselves or have taught themselves. The issue is paying them a high enough wage AND give them all the current work force perks like insurance, PTO, etc.
When it comes to STEM types we probably don't have the specialists we need, our education system is atrocious.
I'm not sure how bringing in foreigners is the solution, this is the same H1B crap Vivek tried to push when he said Americans were stupid.
What next we import foreign teachers to teach the kids how to be smart and so the next few generations is taught how to brave the world by people who just got here?
Next up we cut their number of visas every year and force them to train their replacements.
h-1b was a scam.....the remedy is that anyone brought in becouse they have a special skill must have a us citizen who shadows the employee with the special skill to train them as their replacement.
Umm, that is literally how America built its once great education system, back in the old days.
And ironically it seems to be our only solution currently. Given the quality of what our teaching colleges are producing.
So train us!
We have a lot of Stem specialists on the unemployment line. God knows how many Computer Science and Engineering nerds I’ve seen unable to find jobs. Our education system is indeed atrocious. But lacking specialists isn’t the issue
The economy is kinda fucked at the moment and Companies would rather continue business as usual and get the cheap Visa help rather than more expensive American help. They then need to do things like provide benefits for.
Funny how this point was widespread when Musk first riled everyone up about H1B visas, but is overshadowed this time. Instead, the board is filled with posts loudly proclaiming that American graduates are too ruined and stupid to be employed in their fields and will have to be replaced.
Sure is shilly in here.
There was a huge push to get STEM as part of education, I'll say around 2008 to (and I might not be correct on the timeline) 2016. Then all the commercials kind of disappeared. Maybe not to get STEM as part of education, but to get the people into thinking STEM would be the way to go.
Sure was, and then Obama opened the H1B floodgates and many of those people were never able to even get experience in a job. Many "entry level" positions wanted you to do the work of someone with two degrees for minimum wage.or near it.
I forgot Obama opening the flood gates and the entry level positions doing the work of someone with two degrees. Now, thanks to you I am remembering.
Memory is strange, isn't it?
Yes it is.
i'll take a guess and say Trump knows more than we do.
Well said. We elected someone smarter than most of us,and then try to second guess him,with wayless information than he has.
100 percent this. I guess we cull the weak minded people who cant grind.
We held the line,much better under Biden. A lot of people are under heavy financial stress I guess
immigration at a reasonable rate is acceptable. unfortunately we do need carpenters (largely Brazilians these days), cleaners, etc. illegals that don't want to assimilate and work that are criminals are the problem, not working people.
I know Irish guys that are here illegally and are nervous even though they are hard workers and make loads of money that they pay lots of taxes on. they are eager to see an option to buy a Trump Gold Card or other option to be accepted as an immigrant.
this move by DJT is reasonable and it will convince certain normies that are hung up on deportation of all immigrants, even those trying to assimilate and that work hard, to support DJT
Return the system to European centric immigration. Bring back Western culture
I am disappointed. He is making somekind of concession to billionaire corporations.
It's not 5D chess, it's just the sad fact of the matter. When your country has a woke, lib-cuck controlled, dog shit education system- like the USA has, you end up with a dog shit labor pool unable to fully supply a 21st century industrial society.
Decades of failure has consequences.
Yup. Lets face it. Many of thebyouth arentnup to the challenge. Libtarded dumbdown programs got them all.
Well…our Ivy League schools are filled with kids who are brain washed into marching for free Palestine while advocating for gay rights, so that should tell ya all you need to know about our education system. Look, if we’re going to sit here and preach being hired based on merit and not skin color, gender, etc…then that should include nationality.
With certain fields… it is a legitimate tactic to steal top talent from other nations to deny them the progress. I imagine that sometimes matters more than what we get out of them ourselves.
This is my take on it. It's a "right now, but not later" type of thing. People have to realize that if we REALLY want to reshore EVERYTHING we offshored for decades we'll have to put up with temporary visa works for a few years. Everyone keeps talking about computer science engineers and whatnot, that's not what Trump is referring to here. In fact, if I'm not mistaken he did some weird political thing that I don't quite understand that makes it so people trying to actively replace Americans with H1B visas have to pay an annual hiring tax of $100K per visa they hired over Americans, which is why tech companies are trying (and failing) to replace people with AI instead and learning it just doesn't work and slowly rehiring Americans (begrudgingly).
But back on topic, I'll use aluminum plants for an example. We haven't had a new aluminum plant in the US for something like 30 or 40 years. The limited workforce for the job is already employed at the existing plants. So when we're getting these billions of dollars in foreign investments to BUILD these new plants, we'll need new people to work in them. This isn't the type of thing you can do in a few months, it takes years of training to learn everything. That's why existing plants tend to play better than average and have better benefits because retention is important (It's not like McDonalds where you can train a teenager in a few weeks every time someone quits).
So for the first few years of operation we'll have to let work visas catch up on the labor, but my understanding for most of these deals, is that part of the permitting and approval is that they DO have to eventually train Americans and slowly replace their visa workers with Americans.
My aluminum plant example is just one such example, but it applies to lots of things. If you want everything we offshored to be RESHORED again, then these are the type of growing pains we'll have to deal with for a period. No company is gonna invest billions of dollars into new plants, equipment, facilities, etc. and just let it sit idle for several years while they train an American work force from scratch with no experienced oversight. Even Trump isn't THAT good of a dealmaker. So to get those investments, and eventually those jobs and manufacturing capability, back in the US, you've got to accept some temporary work visa people for a short period of time (relatively speaking).
This is what a lot of people meant back during the election that there would probably be growing pains people wouldn't like and would complain about. You don't just magically reverse 40+ years of offshoring overnight. It's a phased process, and the early phases most aren't gonna like, but they're required to get to the later phases that people DO want.
Great comment. Thanks for taking the time to write it.
Hell no. We have enough cultural mixing as it currently stands. This will be the US of Brazil soon.
Will you people just watch the show. Its your own expectations you project onto trump that have you down in the mouth. Kust watch the show.
I can't figure it out either.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he is actively engaged in negotiations with India on trade right now - perhaps this statement / sentiment is needed to further those discussions or provide needed leverage. Nothing else seems to make this make sense, at least to my mind.
Context?
I wonder where our rocket science and space technology would be without Wernher Von Braun and the 100 members of his group that were brought here from Germany at the end of WW11. He became an enthusiastic USA citizen in the early 1950s moving from our military science to NASA. I think this type of knowledge and more is what POTUS had in mind. Also we need to get up to speed in Heavy Metals processing that China has pretty much taken over for the US. I'm sure there are other areas that we need to get up to speed rapidly.
On one hand, yes we are uneducated and that needs to improve. On the other hand, they did say that it would cost each person wanting a H1B visa $100k, so I think he is definitely playing the enemy atm. You can't have opposite statements without playing some chess
Completely Lost the Respect for the Man.
The US College system is woke and broke. I was a recruiter for Engineers for 20 years. There is no comparison of the quality of graduates 20 years ago versus the graduates today. In the past I could have 10 highly qualified candidates to choose from for a job, and now I need to interview 40 to get one highly qualified candidate, and usually that one candidate has had multiple job offers before I get to him/her.
A company either hires unqualified candidates and spends time and money trying to teach them skills they already should have, or they try to go the H1-B route.
u/#catdance
The only weakness trump has is the people who cant hold the line with him. Shills in here are part of that. I trust the plan amd will continue. You can apologise to trump when its over.