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Trust the science? Any farmers confirm this? (www.newscientist.com)
posted 112 days ago by mitmont123 112 days ago by mitmont123 +39 / -0
Spreading crushed rock on farms could absorb 1 billion tonnes of CO2
Putting silicate rocks from mine waste on fields could improve crops and limit global warming, but some researchers question where all that rock is going to come from
www.newscientist.com
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– BooniesRedneck 12 points 112 days ago +12 / -0

Without reading the entire article, I can’t tell you. I’ll do a little research and see what I can find.

I can tell you for a fact, that ground limestone does improve the nutrient panel of the soil which does improve crop performance. We’ve done that very thing on our ranch to improve the grass for our cows.

Related to this topic. The soil in our country has been depleted of its mineral content through monocropping and the overuse of fertilizers without paying attention to the nutrient panel of the soil.

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– PatriotDawg 7 points 112 days ago +7 / -0

I had 4 soil samples taken from a pasture and they gave me recommended amounts of fertilizer to add. There were 2 sets of values. The 1st one showed how much fertilizer to apply with the soil "as is" with the ph. The amount needed would cost ~$1,000/ acre. The 2nd set of numbers indicated that if I apply 2 tons of lime/ acre, it would adjust the ph within around 6 months to a level that only cost about $250/acre, including the lime. Plants just don't absorb the nutrients if the soil is too acidic.

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– BooniesRedneck 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

Exactly. We had the same issue. Lime is much cheaper to add than fertilizer.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Try Dolomite, that has magnesium as well as calcium.

And don't forget the phosphates - also known as guano, or chicken-shit, or for organic kitchen farmers: cocoa (after having drunk it some, the solids are full of phosphates).

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– BooniesRedneck 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

I’ve been using dried and crushed eggshells in garden for the calcium content. Hadn’t tried Dolomite though.

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– Bobsouttacontrol2 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Truth. Nothing grows under my 200 yr old white oaks. I've limed and limed over the years, but they overwhelm any grasses or other "wanted" plants. I just let it go now and enjoy what does grow.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 3 points 112 days ago +3 / -0

It's the shade, and the acidity of the leaves that drop every year.

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– Bobsouttacontrol2 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Indeed. Soil's pH is embarrassingly low. The amount of leaves and acorns dropped cannot be measured.

Plus, all of the tannins in the leaves/acorns stain everything left beneath the trees for even a few days.

I'll take the trade-off in the natural cooliing of the house every summer!

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– ArmyLady 4 points 112 days ago +4 / -0

farmers know to put down lime on the soil

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– DontAsk 4 points 112 days ago +4 / -0

Here's the entire article:
https://archive.ph/mcYGv

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– BooniesRedneck 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Thank you

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– Oh_Well_ian 9 points 112 days ago +9 / -0

Any article that theorizes human-induced global warming is Bird Cage material.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Indeed. It's pseudo-academically trying to tell grandmothers how to suck eggs.

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– Nfld709 8 points 112 days ago +8 / -0

Not interested in any "science" that wants to "limit global warming".

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– Munchaussen 3 points 112 days ago +3 / -0

Boom! Nfd709 gets it.

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– TaQo 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

This was a "big thing" back in the 90s.

They called it "remineralizing" farmland to put nutrients back in and swing the pH more alkaline...in hopes of moving in a more organic direction & reducing desertification see Joel Salatin

That was before the big monsatano push...

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– mitmont123 [S] 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

Even though it’s behind a paywall, the couple of paragraphs that can be read seem just like utter nonsense.

These must be the same scientists that said the tests for the jab were completely correct.

We’re already having farms used for data centers and solar panel arrays. Are scientists supporting a thesis to take out more farm lands?

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– DontAsk 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

Here ya go:
https://archive.ph/mcYGv

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– BooniesRedneck 4 points 112 days ago +4 / -0

In theory, this type of weathering would sequester the CO2 through chemical reactions. The best case scenario is being hyped. The arguments against this type of sequestering are legit and should be examined.

IMO the climate debate and all branches thereof are about limiting people to certain areas and decimating the human population.

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– Jalapeno_gringo 4 points 112 days ago +4 / -0

Silica can help cellular structure gain strength. Spreading the rocks would likely be a deal where one application lasts 20 years or more. Probably just a grift to get tax breaks and fortify the soil at the same time

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– JizmJunky 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

Yes sir, its a great biostimulant. Plant health is the first defense against all enemies.

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– Jalapeno_gringo 5 points 112 days ago +5 / -0

Yes sir. I don't know about it's ability to sequester CO2, but it can be good for the plants. Makes the stalks stronger. If it's not crushed to a fine powder (and I'm pretty sure it's not because of airborne silica concerns), it's a long term play.

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– JizmJunky 3 points 112 days ago +3 / -0

Bio stims are great. un related but interesting nonetheless, when the plant is at its healthiest state, piercing sucking pests dont even recognize it as a food source. Interstitial spaces filled to the brim with pectin. Mildew spores also try but fail at breaching. Good stuff.

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– Jalapeno_gringo 2 points 111 days ago +2 / -0

We used it in the weed industry in Colorado to help keep spider mites in check

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– JizmJunky 2 points 111 days ago +2 / -0

Same here in WA, i did 6 years in the legal industry before moving onto more serious commodities, with more serious people. Hops, wine and concord grapes, roses, berries. For me, cannabis was the most rewarding in field setting. Full line of John Deere, fields were gps mapped. We were precision farming wholesale cannabis in an onion setup. It was legit, and high margin. That was my entry into agriculture. Helped me become who i am today!! Fun times.

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– ilovetrump4 3 points 112 days ago +3 / -0

"Safe and effective" without extensive testing, yet again?

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– MAGAKELT 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Planting corn and no tilling soil puts carbon in the soil and its proven! I will stick with that.

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– TSearch 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

There’s a much easier way, but it requires dropping standard row crops and grazing ruminants instead. Someone here posted an Alan Savory TED talk a few years ago and it sent me on a learning adventure. Bottom lime, the world needs way more cows, sheep, and goats, which, when properly grazed, are dramatically build up organic matter (carbon) in the soil.

There is a good documentary on this by a filmmaker named Peter Byck. He seems liberal minded, but he is open minded enough to see and promote that cows are not a threat to the climate, they are an answer.

I’m also linking a TED Talk by a farmer named Gabe Brown that is super good on regenerative farming.

None of them are throwing crushed stone on fields, they’re cutting out synthetic fertilizers and using animals to improve the land. There are more people doing this, these are just a few of my favorite videos on the topic.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4R7mX6pChSA

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– Tynyyn 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

Where to get the rock? Well, duh, come down to the Ozarks and start topping off these hills. We'd love to have some flat spaces and if farmers need it we'd gladly give it to them

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– TaogTaov 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Why do that, C02 is healthy for the planet & plant life.

The climate change ‘experts’ hid all the models and studies showing increased / thriving plants in increased CO2 environments. This was done in effort to push the hoax.

Think it goes back to the michael mann and penn state stuff…..

Kinda makes sense - CO2 does equal ‘plant food’.

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– Strelnieks 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Hmm, will have to inquire about this. I always just use nitrogen and lyme typically.

Vermiculite comes to mind.... but that's not usually used at a mass industrial scale unless we're talking about greenhouses or indoor growing operations.

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– photobuf 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Plants need carbon dioxide to grow and produce oxygen for us to breath is I remember my science from the 60's.

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– corrbrick 2 points 111 days ago +2 / -0

And what science class skipped is that we need CO2 in our cells in order to pull the O2 out of the hemoglobin. The so-called Bohr effect.

Not only do plants dies without CO2, so do we.

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– Bobsouttacontrol2 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Removing CO2 is shooting ourselves in the foot, for without it plant life is slowly snuffed out.

But, I'm highly skeptical at our ability to even do it. Maybe on paper or a computer program we can, but realistically, how does one reach into an immeasrable amount of "air" and selectively snatch out the CO2?

Might remove it over an amout of acreage, but what about a distance away? The air/area in which it is theoretically removed is replaced almost immediately by the surrounding air, as natural systems seek to always maintain equilibrium/homeostasis.

High concentrations will seeek out low concentrations and vise versa, to achieve balance. Not rock-et science.

We neither know from where the wind comes, nor where it goes.

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– MudPuddlePie 1 point 111 days ago +1 / -0

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– TheGreatPurge 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

silicates?

probably bullshit - or worse (poison), it would probably effect soil pH.

some fine gravel such as granite can help with with breaking up clay soils though - or more porous rocks helping water retention in sandy soils like where I live in Florida.

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– DontAsk 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Archived article:
https://archive.ph/mcYGv

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– Freedom1000 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

If kill Bill succeeds to block the sun it won’t matter😣

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Crushed rock is already being spread. All they are saying is: do it some more.

It's called fertilizer.

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– ViaToil 2 points 112 days ago +2 / -0

I mean, it depends on what you are planting and what mineral (rocks) you are putting down.

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– Wellifthisaintdandy 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

Yes, there is a nuance.

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– TWB2 1 point 112 days ago +1 / -0

I stopped reading at "limit global warming"

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– Halyna 1 point 111 days ago +1 / -0

Trust the science? I heard that line before.

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