NO ONE wants these Data Centers built in their states. This may be a ruse by O'Leary to portray himself an an attacked underdog. We Don't Believe You Kevin.
The huge, ugly facilities suck all the city's pristine underground aquifers dry, leaving local residents with non-existent water pressure and increasing water rates.
They produce obnoxious 24-hrs-a-day NOISE, destroying the peace and quiet for residents, their domestic pets and the natural wildlife in the area for miles.
They are condemning and taking family farms, ranches and public open spaces without permission and without a public vote.
Any land that has a facility built upon it will have its integrity destroyed due to deep soil and water contamination, and the draining of all natural water sources, the removal of old growth trees and foliage, rendering the land unusable for farming or recreation for many generations in the future.
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Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
I don’t believe them either because I saw the water myself like almost dry completely, my sister the normie think it is normal dryness but I told her NO but I will not discuss anything with her or her husband due to lack of care. Naples never had this in our ponds so I know for sure it is the AI friking centers. Now I am going to go to community meetings more often, and tell them what I think. They are demons trying to g to kill us and leave us without water and food deliberately.
If you can't understand why people aren't attracted to having giant data centers in or next to our towns, I would guess you haven't read about them much.
Do you just mean that you think everyone on the site should be on the side of the billionaires and tech corps that will get richer off their development?
Or do you mean you really think everyone here is somehow not actually in touch with their own preferences?
I don’t know honestly. That’s why I’m asking. What do you have against them? You just dont like big buildings in remote areas? What is it? What preferences are YOU defending specifically?
Why are they supposedly using all the water? That doesn't even make sense....Is this whole thing some kind of weird psyop? Are they even building data centers at all?
They use the water to get rid of the heat. The water may exit the data center as hot water or vapor.
It’s the scale that’s disturbing. Utah uses 3.8 TW/yr. That’s for humans to use in Utah, the entire state.
The proposed Data Center ADDS another 9 TW to the total heat Utah uses. So we hop from 3.8 to ~13 TW in heat
That’s going to immediately change the environment
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
1 Billion watts? Depends upon the area that it’s dumped into. People whine about the environment constantly. Snow fall, reservoirs, rain as things stand.
Now triple the heat for a single data center and then keep Utah flat; that’s 4x more plus that heat is gonna be dumped into a river, ground, or stream that’s now MUCH warmer than it’s ever been
Heat your local lake 1° F and things are gonna change. Ecosystems are going to be devastated
United States is building/has built around 4,000 of them. That is far more than any other country. China has 362. I can't cite where I recently read this because I didn't save the information. Someone said they can recycle the water in a cooling tower once they take it, but collapsing aquifers is never a good idea.
We need national discussions about these profound changes to our lifestyles and environment before they are simply imposed on us. Until then we can live without them. Data centers and AI are causing a lot of concern among people I know, and they need to be proven "safe and effective" before we are subject to harm.
Large data centers consume massive amounts of water—often between 1 to 5 million gallons daily for a large facility—primarily for evaporative cooling to prevent servers from overheating. This staggering consumption directly impacts local water supplies, sparking sustainability concerns, particularly in drought-prone or water-stressed regions.
Data center developers are increasingly tapping into freshwater resources to quench the thirst of data centers, which is putting nearby communities at risk.
Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, equivalent to the water use of a town populated by 10,000 to 50,000 people.
With larger and new AI-focused data centers, water consumption is increasing alongside energy usage and carbon emissions.
Yes thank you. People throw out numbers with zero perspective based on comparative factors and assume it’s a lot and freak out. We have no idea how to put it into perspective.
Yeah, so if the real issue is that the data centers are literally evaporating all the water (I still call bullshit on that) then why not just make make the building of a new data center conditional on the terms that they agree to use a closed loop water cooling system (re-cool the water themselves). Seems like a pretty simple solution....Honestly I don't believe that this data center water evap thing is even really why the water is "missing", if the water is even missing. They are hiding something. This whole topic stinks of psyop.
Why not just build a shitload of data centers by the Hoover Dam and use as much water as they need? Then they'll have more water and electricity than they know what to do with.....This whole issue sounds like a midwit level psyop.....
Data centers aren't built in remote isolation because they require massive amounts of electrical power, heavy-duty fiber-optic networks, and highly specialized on-site personnel. Building too far from population centers increases "latency" (the time it takes for data to travel), which slows down internet speeds and application performance.
Hard to believe a hard researching anon ssuch as yourself wouldn't know that, but there it is.
@Grok please put these numbers into context. How does this copare to other industrial facilities? Are data centers really that much worse than a battery factory or something?
Computers and hard drives consume a lot of electricity. They throw it off as heat. Lots of heat. I have a 20x24 off with a computer and a lot of hard drives. I barely use any heat in the winter, as the heat from the computer and hard drives warms the room. Just imagine if you had multiple Super Walmarts crammed full of computers and hard drives. You would require water cooling. The water comes from the ground, as most places use wells for their water supply. The equipment is so hot, that the water turns to steam and goes into the air. It is taken from the aquifers faster than the rain cycle can ever add to them. Once the level gets low enough, the cities and towns can get any more water from their wells.
And where is this happening currently. Have many data centers picked their locations so poorly that the neighboring communities, as well as themselves, have been unable to access any water anymore as a result? Or is the fact that such a thing is POSSIBLE more important than whether or not it’s likely?
We are in an AI ARMS RACE WITH CHINA! If they win the race, the WORLD LOSES.
Yes these data centers suck and Trump is fixing that situation BUT, if it is AI Data Center they are building then more accurately "ALL THE SMART PEOPLE WANT MORE AI DATA CENTERS" and the foolish dont understand.
Those that are attempting to defend the massive data center build out don't have any good arguments, since LLMs over-promise and under-deliver, with deeply negative ROI. Some businesses are belatedly starting to figure this out, which has the AI grifters in a panic.
What is a grifter to do? Answer: they resort to trying to generate fear. In this case, they claim the US is in a winner-take-all race against China for AI dominance, and whoever loses that race will die in fiery floods, etc. (borrowing some of the doomer-ism from the climate scam).
If the data centers were legitimate, they should be touting all of the proven benefits and increased revenue/profits, etc. that they provide. Resorting to fear to try to stampede ignorant people into supporting their narrative is a TELL (in poker terminology) that they are lying. Saying that anyone who opposes their narrative is being funded by the CCP (or whatever) makes it even worse.
You would think people would have learned not to fall for this type of psyop by now from the plandemic and climate scams... but apparently not.
There is no intelligence in AI - it is just a marketing term... and yes, today's AI = Large Language Models (LLMs). All the AI companies have their own versions of LLM, plus the human-generated data used to train them.
This is the third AI hype bubble. The first was in the 60's with mainframes, the second was in the 80's with PC networks (neural nets), and now we have the third bubble with LLMs.
As far as President Trump "grifting" on AI, I am not sure what you mean by that. Most people fall for the hype during a bubble, but the insiders directly involved in the industry who deliberately spread lies to enrich themselves are the grifters.
I mean Trump himself said we needed to stay ahead on AI and brought in several trillion for investments in that area, including for data centers. So if those of us who aren’t sold on your line of thinking are grifters, is he as well?
NO ONE wants these Data Centers built in their states. This may be a ruse by O'Leary to portray himself an an attacked underdog. We Don't Believe You Kevin.
No one is in favor of this!
None of this helps the common man.
Only the Uber Wealthy benefit. NIMBY!
Why can't they just put their Data Centers next to the ocean? Near Unlimited cooling via underwater heat exchanger. Only reason to not do this is (They)'re trying to kill off the Cattle.
I was thinking the same but go one step further; desalinization plant/ data center. Byproduct is salt, fresh water, and data.
I don’t believe them either because I saw the water myself like almost dry completely, my sister the normie think it is normal dryness but I told her NO but I will not discuss anything with her or her husband due to lack of care. Naples never had this in our ponds so I know for sure it is the AI friking centers. Now I am going to go to community meetings more often, and tell them what I think. They are demons trying to g to kill us and leave us without water and food deliberately.
You see yourself the water below as dry? What? Care to explain what you mean?
You know what I meant, probably I was falling to sleep, but I tried to fix it. Bully! 🙃
Put them in space
Almost as if a curtain based dark MAGA ceo is already doing this. I’m sure Mr Wonderful doesn’t have a data center next to his mansion.
What? How would this kill off cattle?
What is going on here? Who has taken over this site? How is it that so many of you are so quickly on one side of those issue? I smell a rat.
If you can't understand why people aren't attracted to having giant data centers in or next to our towns, I would guess you haven't read about them much.
Do you just mean that you think everyone on the site should be on the side of the billionaires and tech corps that will get richer off their development?
Or do you mean you really think everyone here is somehow not actually in touch with their own preferences?
I don’t know honestly. That’s why I’m asking. What do you have against them? You just dont like big buildings in remote areas? What is it? What preferences are YOU defending specifically?
Why are they supposedly using all the water? That doesn't even make sense....Is this whole thing some kind of weird psyop? Are they even building data centers at all?
They use the water to get rid of the heat. The water may exit the data center as hot water or vapor.
It’s the scale that’s disturbing. Utah uses 3.8 TW/yr. That’s for humans to use in Utah, the entire state.
The proposed Data Center ADDS another 9 TW to the total heat Utah uses. So we hop from 3.8 to ~13 TW in heat
That’s going to immediately change the environment
Also I’m confused. On the one hand you’re talking about water, but then when you talk about usage you’re talking about…heat? TW of heat? Do you mean electricity? You seem all over the place here. I half expect to start hearing the word “parsec” like they do in Star Wars as a measurement of speed rather than distance.
Fair question. You cannot destroy energy. That’s God’s realm
You can generate energy, and then transform it into electricity, or motion, but eventually it winds up as heat. Whether it’s your PC, car or AC unit outside. Heat tends to be the majority end form of energy. That 9TW winds up as heat somewhere. After powering lights, hard drives, server processors; it’s eventually going to be heat. Now that heat has to go somewhere. Into water and then poured away a LOT hotter than it went in. Into your lake, or heating the great outdoors
Take 2x of what Utah consumes anyway, and add that energy -> heat anywhere you want. It’s going to have an impact on everything
Are you serious or trolling? Energy leads to heat and noise... why do you think race cars are loud and get hot? Why are rockets loud and hot? Have you done any kind of heat dissipation? You need water. How is electricity made? Boiling water.
How can you not understand this?
You really didn't know about electronics and thermal radiation? I know you know water cools down hot things. I feel like you are purposely not knowing even a laymens understanding of data centers. Does all of science confound you like this? Does it all conjure Star Wars for you? Fascinating, if true. I call bullshit.
Is it? How much does 1 TW affect “the environment”?
1 Billion watts? Depends upon the area that it’s dumped into. People whine about the environment constantly. Snow fall, reservoirs, rain as things stand.
Now triple the heat for a single data center and then keep Utah flat; that’s 4x more plus that heat is gonna be dumped into a river, ground, or stream that’s now MUCH warmer than it’s ever been
Heat your local lake 1° F and things are gonna change. Ecosystems are going to be devastated
United States is building/has built around 4,000 of them. That is far more than any other country. China has 362. I can't cite where I recently read this because I didn't save the information. Someone said they can recycle the water in a cooling tower once they take it, but collapsing aquifers is never a good idea. We need national discussions about these profound changes to our lifestyles and environment before they are simply imposed on us. Until then we can live without them. Data centers and AI are causing a lot of concern among people I know, and they need to be proven "safe and effective" before we are subject to harm.
Prove it. How do servers suck the aquifers dry?
Here is an Overview:
Large data centers consume massive amounts of water—often between 1 to 5 million gallons daily for a large facility—primarily for evaporative cooling to prevent servers from overheating. This staggering consumption directly impacts local water supplies, sparking sustainability concerns, particularly in drought-prone or water-stressed regions.
Data center developers are increasingly tapping into freshwater resources to quench the thirst of data centers, which is putting nearby communities at risk.
Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, equivalent to the water use of a town populated by 10,000 to 50,000 people.
With larger and new AI-focused data centers, water consumption is increasing alongside energy usage and carbon emissions.
Source:
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/data-centers-and-water-consumption
Or read this: Why Do Data Centers Need Water? Especially Billions of Gallons?
https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/why-do-data-centers-need-water.htm
good post.
Thanks.
Its probably worth adding for perspective:
Supposedly California almond production uses 4.2 billion gallons of water per day
Supposedly Golf courses use 1.4 billion gallons of water per day.
Yes thank you. People throw out numbers with zero perspective based on comparative factors and assume it’s a lot and freak out. We have no idea how to put it into perspective.
https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf
1.4 Billion gallons is all the golf courses in the country combined. The average golf course in the US uses around 300,000 gallons a day.
Yeah, so if the real issue is that the data centers are literally evaporating all the water (I still call bullshit on that) then why not just make make the building of a new data center conditional on the terms that they agree to use a closed loop water cooling system (re-cool the water themselves). Seems like a pretty simple solution....Honestly I don't believe that this data center water evap thing is even really why the water is "missing", if the water is even missing. They are hiding something. This whole topic stinks of psyop.
Why not just build a shitload of data centers by the Hoover Dam and use as much water as they need? Then they'll have more water and electricity than they know what to do with.....This whole issue sounds like a midwit level psyop.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hoover-Dam
Data centers aren't built in remote isolation because they require massive amounts of electrical power, heavy-duty fiber-optic networks, and highly specialized on-site personnel. Building too far from population centers increases "latency" (the time it takes for data to travel), which slows down internet speeds and application performance.
Hard to believe a hard researching anon ssuch as yourself wouldn't know that, but there it is.
You're a much better person than I. If someone had told me "prove it" I'd have replied, "Get off your lazy ass and go do the research yourself."
@Grok please put these numbers into context. How does this copare to other industrial facilities? Are data centers really that much worse than a battery factory or something?
Yeah it’s not the computers using the water dummy it’s the evaporative chillers
Computers and hard drives consume a lot of electricity. They throw it off as heat. Lots of heat. I have a 20x24 off with a computer and a lot of hard drives. I barely use any heat in the winter, as the heat from the computer and hard drives warms the room. Just imagine if you had multiple Super Walmarts crammed full of computers and hard drives. You would require water cooling. The water comes from the ground, as most places use wells for their water supply. The equipment is so hot, that the water turns to steam and goes into the air. It is taken from the aquifers faster than the rain cycle can ever add to them. Once the level gets low enough, the cities and towns can get any more water from their wells.
And where is this happening currently. Have many data centers picked their locations so poorly that the neighboring communities, as well as themselves, have been unable to access any water anymore as a result? Or is the fact that such a thing is POSSIBLE more important than whether or not it’s likely?
NOBODY IS IN FAVOR OF THIS????? I AM!
We are in an AI ARMS RACE WITH CHINA! If they win the race, the WORLD LOSES.
Yes these data centers suck and Trump is fixing that situation BUT, if it is AI Data Center they are building then more accurately "ALL THE SMART PEOPLE WANT MORE AI DATA CENTERS" and the foolish dont understand.
Is this another case of billionaires know what's best for randos? Boy I know they just want what's best for folks, hyuck! No.
DJT is making data centers suck less? I hadn't heard.
Yeah I’m afraid I’m with you in this. There’s something very Democrat about the hate these things are receiving.
Those that are attempting to defend the massive data center build out don't have any good arguments, since LLMs over-promise and under-deliver, with deeply negative ROI. Some businesses are belatedly starting to figure this out, which has the AI grifters in a panic.
What is a grifter to do? Answer: they resort to trying to generate fear. In this case, they claim the US is in a winner-take-all race against China for AI dominance, and whoever loses that race will die in fiery floods, etc. (borrowing some of the doomer-ism from the climate scam).
If the data centers were legitimate, they should be touting all of the proven benefits and increased revenue/profits, etc. that they provide. Resorting to fear to try to stampede ignorant people into supporting their narrative is a TELL (in poker terminology) that they are lying. Saying that anyone who opposes their narrative is being funded by the CCP (or whatever) makes it even worse.
You would think people would have learned not to fall for this type of psyop by now from the plandemic and climate scams... but apparently not.
Thank you!
So Trump is grifting on this topic? And AI’s are only LLMs?
There is no intelligence in AI - it is just a marketing term... and yes, today's AI = Large Language Models (LLMs). All the AI companies have their own versions of LLM, plus the human-generated data used to train them.
This is the third AI hype bubble. The first was in the 60's with mainframes, the second was in the 80's with PC networks (neural nets), and now we have the third bubble with LLMs.
As far as President Trump "grifting" on AI, I am not sure what you mean by that. Most people fall for the hype during a bubble, but the insiders directly involved in the industry who deliberately spread lies to enrich themselves are the grifters.
I mean Trump himself said we needed to stay ahead on AI and brought in several trillion for investments in that area, including for data centers. So if those of us who aren’t sold on your line of thinking are grifters, is he as well?