Employers across America are reportedly being told to FIRE THOUSANDS of migrant workers
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Now do something about H1B!!!!
But they save so much money employing invaders and H1Bs.
Sweet, maybe I can get me one of them jobs...
Let the firings begin!!
If you are in DC, lots of jobs.
That's the issue, though. Legal US citizens aren't rushing to take jobs that foreigners are doing. Typically, they don't pay well, are labor intensive, dangerous or miserable conditions, etc.
This is what we're experiencing with the jobs being vacated by illlegas that have been ousted. They're going unfilled, and the industries involved have gotten the government to issue more new visas to bring in yet a diffrent batch of forigners to do these jobs.
It's almost as if supply and demand exist. Pay more money until you attract Americans to do the job. Americans will do any job if the pay is right.
They're not doing that, though. The government has actually LOWERED the minimum wages companies can pay for those jobs.
I would still prefer a work visa over just someone in the country illegally. At least they could be vetted better and there is a record. But no public benefits for anyone here on a work visa. Get rid of the illegals first and then deal with the visa issues. Years ago the country was using that system to fill those jobs and it worked fine. They came here and worked and then they went home. They did not get to stay nor were they able to bring their families just for the rest of us to support.
The main way that illegals become illegal is by overstaying their work visa. Obviously vetting people and having records on them isn't preventing them from becoming illegal, so just doing it all over again on a fresh batch of foreign workers isn't going to magically prevent them from becoming illegals themselves by just not leaving when their own visas expire.
It's just a revolving door of the same exact issues.
I'm not sure what era you're imaginging where migrant workers haven't done this. It's been the norm since before the US was even the US. Maybe it's because in the past migrant workers typically stayed in/closer to the border states, due to cost and difficulty of travel. One of those out of sight/out of mind, if I don't see it, it's not happening type of things. It's actually harder for them now because of modern record keeping/communication across different states/law enforcement departments.
Granted, it's easier for them to get public services today, true. But other than that, they're doing the same thing they've been doing for centuries. People tend to romantsize/idealize the past like this, but if you study the history of migrant labor in the country, you'll see that this really isn't anything new.
They weren't allowed to bring in all their family like they are now. They also were not eligible for all the freebies they receive now and there was no such thing as sanctuary states. If we can get a handle on the system now, the rest of it can be somewhat easier to monitor and manage. Right now we just don't have the resources so targeting has to be managed and selective just to avoid all the legal insanity the Dems and RINOs have created. I remember when the ICE vans would raid industrial parks looking for illegals. I saw it. They also monitored agriculture looking for illegals and overstays. Yes, there were some that overstayed their visas, but it was much easier to manage when lawmakers let ICE actually do their jobs. It wasn't perfect, but it did work as well as any system like that could. It was certainly a far cry from what we have now. Cracking down on border crossing was the first step. But that is only as good as the administration in the WH.
You’re drifting away from the actual point.
I’m not defending illegal labor, and I’m not saying the current system is fine. I’m asking what replaces these workers, at what pay, and who absorbs the higher cost.
Also, the past was not as simple as you’re describing. Family based immigration has existed for generations. Some temporary worker programs limited dependents, but that is not the same as saying migrant workers generally could not bring family. Sanctuary policies are not new either, some have existed for decades.
Yes, ICE conducted major worksite raids. That part is true. But raids did not eliminate illegal hiring, visa overstays, document fraud, or labor shortages. Seeing enforcement happen does not prove the system was fully controlled.
So let’s stay on the real issue. Who fills these jobs after the workers are removed? If the answer is Americans at higher wages, then say that, but it also means higher prices, shortages, or some businesses closing during the adjustment.
This conversation has drifted off course because of getting sidetracked over your belief that over staying work visas not being the major cause of illegals. This isn't my opinion. This is something that every administration has said, since they started tracking it. It might be inconvenient for you to believe, but those are facts.
Trying to come up with all the ways illegal migrant work is different now isn't going to change that. The main way they become illegal is by over staying their visa. Case closed. Sanctuary cities and welfare offices isn't going to change that. Yes, obviously most illegal migrant workers didn't have that in the past, depending on how far back you go, because the country hasn't always had sanctuary cities or welfare.
But here's the big issue people are either ignorant over, or just want to ignore because it doesn't fit their narrative.
The government is making it so foreign unskilled labor is extremely attractive to businesses that need them. In the past year, they have slashed the minimum wage that must be paid to H2 visa workers from $15-20/hr to $8/hr and up, based on the job. And they've INCREASED the number of H2 visas by over 25% and are planning to increase them even more.
Obviously, this isn't encouraging the businesses that need unskilled labor to hike their pay rates up to whatever amount legal US citizens would deign to do that miserable work for. Which is a hell of a lot more than $8/hr.
And even if you don't want to believe it, workers over here on visas are notorious for just not leaving when their visas expire. ICE roundups and all that hasn't stopped it. Border control will never make a dent in it, because the majority of them aren't sneaking over the border.
All it's done is create a revolving door where we spend millions of dollars to kick them out when their visas expire, then bring in new ones on the same visas, and then have to round those up when they inevitably overstay their visa, kick them out, and bring more in to take over those jobs.
Over and over and over. Because that's what we're doing.
Exercise some of those awesome research skills and go dig into what DHS and ICE say about what the root cause of most illegals is. Then look at how they've slashed the minimum wage for H2 work, and then look into how many more H2 visas are being given now.
I think we are speaking of the same things - just not meeting the minds. I don't disagree with you. So, we will end it there. Have a good day and thanks for the conversation.
I was in a hair salon and the hairdresser was saying hello to a man she hasn’t seen in ages, he is moving back to Florida he was in DC. Wondering why?
I would move to Florida. I like where I am now but Florida is cool.
Sometimes but it is really hot for summer.
I am where it is hot for the summer also. Arkansas by Texas border. LOL
What jobs do you think they're doing that you would like to do, and would do at the pay they've been giving these people?
You mean like the H1B visa jobs? I worked with several over the years, and none of them were hurting due to low-paying salaries. There are lots of young American kids here in Central TX who have to compete against them.
I did a deeper dive on this, just to make certain it wasn't about skilled labor or H1B visa holders.
This is about people over here on Temporary Protected Status permits. They aren't even proper work visas. It's people who have been accepted for humanitarian reasons, because things in their own countries are so bad (due to natural disasters/war/famine/violence/etc) that we have decided that they should be allowed to come here, temporarily. And they're given permits to work while they're here. Think Haiti, Somalia, Ethiopia, Syria, etc.
From what I've been reading, there is a HUGE amount of them that seem to have jobs in healthcare, in roles like janitors, housekeepers in hospitals, but the bulk of them seem to work in places like senior living facilities, especially in housekeeping positions, nursing assistants, home health aides, etc.
Then there are the other usual suspects of working in places like construction, agriculture, hotels, restaurants, warehouses, transportation, etc that we're accustomed to people on unskilled work visas doing.
The biggest alarms being raised over this seems to be what's going to happen if so many jobs in the healthcare industry are suddenly vacated, because they're already badly understaffed, and the elderly depend on them so heavily in senior care facilities, home health aides, etc.
It looks like that might be the major reason the DHS issued last minute work permit extensions to so many of the people on TPS, right before they were going to be booted. Hundreds of thousands of Haitians were given a last minute extension, and they make up a disproportionate number of workers in the healthcare fields.
Yes, my misunderstanding—TPS permit holders need to head back. All those foreign-citizen, scamming, fraudulent, hateful countries you mentioned should NOT be allowed to send their trash here to the United States.
The medical healthcare worker situation you mentioned hits home for us…send ‘em back to where they came from, to their rightful country of citizenship. They are certainly not welcome here.
Thanks for the additional information.
No problem.
But like I pointed out, the DHS have extended their permits for hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plans that will have the industries losing these workers to fill these vacancies with US workers, without significantly increasing the costs of those services.
It's absolutely clear now that US workers will not take these jobs at the same pay that foreigners are doing them. Which is why we're cranking out more and more H2-B/ H2-A (unskilled labor) visas even as we boot out illegals from those same jobs.
And since the main way workers become illegal is because they just don't leave when their visas expire, it's nothing more than a revolving door of future illegals.
The entire system is messed up. Either we keep doing this revolving door nonsense, or make laws that FORCE businesses to hire US workers (at much higher pay, which will be passed on to the people using those services, making them much more expensive) or we live with huge labor shortages that have real world implications like our elderly population receiving much lower quality care, or even no care at all.
I don't know what we can do to fix this, instead of just doing all this political theater of booting out workers who overstayed their visas to bring in a new crop of workers that will more often than not over stay their visas, so we can spend hundreds of millions of dollars to boot them out, and millions more dollars bringing in new ones, and just a never ending cycle.of that.
"...political theater..." Exactly.
These aren't people on H1B visas, which are skilled labor. These are people here because of things like natural disasters/wars/famines making their own countries so unlivable that they think they're going to die if they stay there.
They're from places like Somalia and Haiti, which are not pumping out educated, skilled workers.
The government isn't cutting down on H1B visas, so if you think that those types of jobs are being made available because of any of this, you're way off.
At this point, yes.
Was this a response to me? It's showing up in my inbox, but maybe it was supposed to be to the comment that was deleted? If it's to me, I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're responding to. Could you clarify?
Yep. Wow has this post grown!
It does get confusing when you reply and it's like the 17th reply or higher.
If your business model requires illegal labor to be successful, then you suck at business... Hiring illegals is cheating.
It isn't all cheap labor either. Illegal construction workers where I worked as security made 20 an hour, I made 18. Neither job provided benefits.
This is heartwarming news in that it gives me hope they will boot out the majority of illegals, or get them to leave on their own. DE banking them has already started.
I am seeing a lot of effects here. Several blocks down the road there is a small apartment (maybe 10 rooms). Used to full of people and all kinds of plants and equipment outside. Several years ago, completely empty out.
Recently, going to restaurant is an adventure. You never know whether they are open or not. Today, the 3rd restaurant opened.
My brother works as an operations manager at Amazon delivery and he told me that they will be letting go of half the employees. I wonder if this has anything to do with that?
Amazon hires many illegal immigrants. I was told.
He said they have a lot of mexicans who can only muster a lick of English and their breath smells like halitosis
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I am not surprised.
I think Amazon is looking into automating many of those jobs.
That we are all aware of. My bro should be fine though because he makes several thousands a week trading pokemon cards.
Always nice to have side hustles. Good for him.
It's all down to businesses keeping their labor costs down, to protect their profit margins.
If they have to pay more for labor, they will have to either eat those losses (not likely), pass it on to customers who will get angry and go elsewhere, or just have to fold because they can't afford it.
For many businesses, things like "moral" and "patriotic" are way down on their lists of priorites, if they even show up on it.
Unfortunately, this reverts all the way to a justification for slavery = minimum cost labor. Labor is a cost of doing business. If your business cannot cover the costs it will fail. All sorts of businesses can stay in the market if they don't have to worry about labor costs. But the taxpayer gets to pay all the hidden costs of free medical, free schools, free this, and free that, for the sake of the illegal alien and his/her family. It is easy for business if all the hidden costs are passed on to the consumer anyway. Just as illegals have no right to welfare, neither do businesses. Plus, illegals increase the crime rate and compete for housing. I have no patience for the "poor business" sob story. The antebellum slave owners were not running "poor businesses" and enjoyed their mansions and servants because they had plenty of profit margin.
I'm not arguing in favor of any if this. Just pointing out WHY so much of it happens.
Agreed. My point is that it is a bogus argument on their part. They are all tacitly partaking of "soft slavery" since they offer wages to someone who is not legally supposed to be here to receive them, and where the offset for low wages is a highly permissive welfare system paid by the taxpayers. So, the employer, to compensate the laborer for his low wages, is indirectly mooching off public assistance, and making profit thereby. And if the employee complains about anything, they can be threatened with exposure and deportation. The WHY includes an intent to violate immigration law and cheat the public. It's not the market that is driving this; it is profiteering and fraud. It is a deliberate choice to go into business on this basis.
Other employers don't do this and they survive. Anyway, I hope you can see through that explanation to its rotten core. I didn't figure you were defending it.
What do you think about the businesses who hire workers here on visas, legally, because they're cheaper than US citizens?
The majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from people who originally came over legally on visas, and just never left when their visas expired. So the more visas we create to bring workers over, the higher the rate of potential future illegals we have.
My view is that this is economically identical to an imported service: work done by a foreign national. Just because they are present in the U.S. doesn't mean they are not a foreign national. So, I say that such work should bear a tariff just as if it were performed in another country. Maybe it would still be cheaper than U.S. citizens, but at least the economics would be fair under law. (Many of these workers are willing to live under conditions of squalor that a westerner would not even consider. How does one deal with that? Living abstemiously is not a crime.)
I don't accept that the majority of illegal immigrants came over legally. There has been far too much intrusion across the southern border for that to be credible.
As for those who overstay their visa, I am somewhat familiar with them. It is common among Africans. Their employment is fairly legal (example: home care) in occupations that are open to whites but the whites don't apply. The whites whine and put on airs, live off their parents, or go on relief. Tightening up on welfare might push them into the labor market. But back to the visa overstays: they need to go. My wife had a green card, but she was very critical of those who overstayed. They are frequently nice and hard-working people, but once a person falls into an illegal category, the barrier to further illegality goes away. And, frankly, many Africans have the mindset of "It hasn't happened yet," and glide on. But they do not think of themselves as Americans, so they should not expect to be treated as such. (My wife is so Americanized, she was for Trump before he even came on the scene, and takes deep vicarious pride in American accomplishments. The only step left is naturalization.)
What is showing up lately are illegals who may have had visas, outstayed them, and have been accepted into occupations for which they are unqualified (e.g., Indian semi-truck drivers) and are operating under bogus credentials issued by corrupt agencies. Where does one begin to point the finger? Criminality all around. It is not an economic argument when criminal activity is integral to what happens.
It is the age-old problem of standards not being met, laws not being followed, and corners being cut. Both the customer and the laborer are being cheated by the criminal enterprise, and low-lifes are the only ones who thrive. This is economic gutter trash that needs to be scooped up and thrown out. Lots of accumulation. I expect better ideas will come along in due time.
On the other side, we need to cease with the respect given to worthless college degrees. A degree in 17th-century Bulgarian literature is not anywhere close to a degree in electrical engineering in most market economies (I hope).
All valid points. It has been proven by numerous studies that these people over the course of their lives, along with their family members, are net takers and not contributors to the society they are leeching from. We need to reset. Will that reset be pain free? No, but it must be done. What we are currently doing is unsustainable in the long run. This is a matter of economic and societal survival. And you are most correct in that in order to fill many more skilled jobs we need to stop giving away useless degrees that prepare young adults to do absolutely nothing productive. They either end up working for the government or teaching others how to obtain the same useless degrees.
That's a common idea, because of all the media attention given to the people crossing the border illegally.
But for decades, multiple administrations, including both of President Trump's administrations, have studied the info and ALL of them, over many decades, have concluded that the majority of illegal workers are the result of people over here on legal work/tourist/student visas who just never left when their visas expired.
It's hard to swallow that sometimes, because we're constantly told that if we just tighten up border security/build a wall, most of our problems with illegals will go away. Knowing that we're actively importing people that have a high probability of becoming illegals themselves is like a slap in the face.
Some Americans want to work only where other Americans are the majority.
Did you see DC restaurants?
I saw the last one.
My city is now 40 percent illegals because of the data centers in Northern Virginia. I call bullshit on this hopium that any worksite is being visited by ICE. The county police runs escort for the illegal workers busses. The construction companies that hire all the illegals are never disbarred. The companies are the ones buying and renting the workhouses for human trafficked labor. We hear gunshots every weekend and gang leaders racing their exotic cars and 100k pickup trucks every night. F this whole administration for bragging about cleaning up DC while gangs are literally running Northern VA and Maryland. Wake up damnit!
I am so sorry. I actually see it here in my state.
The thing about it is, we're going to be right back to square one in about 10 years. But instead of Mexicans, it's going to be robots.
The AI robots are getting pretty smart and getting pretty agile physically. They can even do martial arts now.
We'll go from Hector to Sektor
Good luck with that! Were on a 3 week camping trip and went through Lebanon Indiana to get to the Campground a few weeks back. As far as you could see for about 5 miles the land was wiped clean and HUGE structures were going up everywhere. Hundreds if not thousands of people were working there. Most were dressed in multiple layers of long clothing in hot weather indicative of what I see in Florida with the migrant roofers. Signs were in both English and Spanish everywhere. My wife looked it up and yep a Meta Data Center going up. I can see why nobody wants those near them. This was located in a very rural area with hardly any homes just mainly farmland. ................................PAGING TOM HOMAN! ......................................
I am sure someone hear us here.
Interesting.
Looks like the administration extended many of those work permits right before they were to have gone into effect.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-extends-work-permits-haitians-other-immigrants-with-temporary-protected-2026-07-10/
Oh, very interesting.
What/ Who in the heck did this ??!!! Is this Marco Rubio's State Dept. that EXTENDS THESE VISA'S...AND RIGHT AFTER THE S.C. Gave US/TRUMP A VICTORY OF REMOVING Those HERE UNDER TEMP. PROTECTED STATUS, i.e., HAITIANS??! 🔥 ...
From the article, the department responsible is the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security.
Markwayne Mullin is currently the Secretary of DHS, so I guess the buck stops with him on this matter until it gets to President Trump.
Thank you for that information, I assumed it was State department responsible for the visa considerations, passports etc. It's bad news though...
From what I'm reading, it looks like one of the major reasons they're exgending the permits is because booting all of these people at the same time will cause such a huge labor shortage in the drudge work of the healthcare industry, especially elder care, that it could actually endanger the health/lives/well being of the people that depend on them.
Hatians especially seem to have entrenched themselves in things like senior living/nursing homes/home health care, etc type work. I'm pretty sure they're the bulk of who is getting the extenstions.
It's difficult to find info about it, since it's only recently happened. And I like to read stuff straight from the sources, like the actual communications from the government departments, instead of the news media, but there's some lack of transparency going on about why exactly all this has happened and plans for the future.
So, if you're in assisted living or senior living facilities, or get home health care assistance, or you care for someone who does, you might want to keep a close eye on this. Because there's either going to be some major labor shortages on those types of jobs, making it more difficult to get any care at all, much less good quality care, or costs are about to skyrocket so they can pay enough to attract new, legal US workers to those jobs.
My opinion (which is worth little, admittedly), they're either going to continue extending the permits for those here TDS who work in these fields, or they're going to start cranking out even more H2 visas to bring in fresh batches of foreigners that will do it for the current pay.
If Haitians can do the work, then Shaniqua can do the work.
There are plenty of Shaniquas working those types of jobs. I used to live around the Gulf coast, and the majority of those types of jobs were done by black American women.
Isn’t illegal to hire migrants unless they’re H1-B? Has Congress ever passed an act that migrants should not be hired if US workers are available?
No, they've never passed an act that would do that.
Is that something you would support?
How would they do that, do you think? I'm genuinely interested in ideas on how to fix it.
It's more complicated than just telling businesses to hire more US workers. Because while they may be available, they're not going to do the type of jobs migrants typically do for the wages they typically make.
The only way I see it working is if the government forces these businesses to increase (sometimes drastically) the pay for these jobs, to make them attractive enough for US workers to take them.
When I looked into it more, i found that the administration LOWERED the wage requirements for these types of jobs last year. You can look at what's going on by looking up "2025/2026 AEWR changes" from ETA (Employment and Training Administration) in the Department of Labor.
It looks like the new system has created levels of unskilled labor, with the lower levels getting lower pay. So in the old system, all workers on an H-2A visa would get paid between $15 -$20/hr. That was their equivelent to their minimum wage.
But last year they changed that to the lowest tiers getting around $8/hr.
It seems to be why we've been cranking out so many new H-2A visas. Because these new lower minimum wages would make it even less likely that legal US workers would take those jobs.
WHY DIDN'T WE HIRE ERIK PRINCE ON DAY 1??!!! He had a plan to remove 500k PER MONTH!!!
Think he is working behind the scene.
Maybe it wasn't in "the plan" or (I don't like thinking this) in Trump's plan to do so? The invasion here in the USA is BAD. Why doesn't Trump or 'good Congress' address this? I remember hearing Erik Prince address his plan to get the Palestinian Hamas terrorists out of Israel/Palestine to clean it all up after Oct. 7th, was to flood the tunnels underneath it all. He seemed focus on solutions, whereas I feel Trump is too patient or kind-hearted to do the QRF, so-to-speak, method of cleanup.
How are they going to deal with the labor shortage this is going to create? Are they going to create even more visas to bring different foreigners in to do that work? Because that's how we're dealing with labor shortages from the ICE deportations.
No. Those employers will lose their business for being stupid or not doing the right thing.
Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. And even if it did, it would cause the same problem. Labor shortage. There will be fewer people doing whatever jobs that those businesses provided.
There are an estimated 292 million to 295 million U.S. citizens worldwide, accounting for roughly 85% of the total United States population. 132 million citizens are working. There are millions of people who receive government money, but could actually work, I know because I'm disabled, but never tried for disability. I found work I could do.
I was run over by a forklift with solid rubber tires. The wheel went over my foot and basicly my foot exploded on the outside edge, between the big toe, and on the bottom. My leg was broken completely in two an inch above my ankle. I also have multiple vison problems since birth.
I worked as a security guard most of the 38 years since the accident. A post that requires both walking and sitting is ideal. At almost 68 25% Patrol, and 75% sitting seems what works for me.
Here's the trouble... XXX has disability and receives at least enough to scrape by, If xxx works he receives at least enough to scrape by and a bit more. Since he can at least scrape by without working, he feels working only provides the bit more...
Then you have people in jail and prison, they need to work hard, working hard is beneficial. Same goes for youth...I made my own money starting at age 8, collecting pop bottles and cashing them in. When deposits went up and people no longer threw bottles away I did yard work (along with several other activities like selling candy at school) At 14 I worked on a farm for 6 months, then sold door-to-door. At 15 I bagged groceries and did lawn maint. in a huge apt. complex. At 16 I worked construction. It was good for me.
I haven't been broke since I was 8, nor have I went hungry since I was 10, not counting my injury I haven't called off or been late more than a dozen times.
Quit feeding people that aren't productive unless they are severely disabled. Hunger is a strong motivator.
It would take a lot of laws passed by Congress to make the majority of that happen. Which, based on what Congress has historically done, isn't likely to happen.
There's a huge difference in what SHOULD happen vs what is realistic.
Making laws that would somehow force people on disability or in prison to do work they don't want to do will be hard enough. Making laws that will somehow force children to do them will be impossible.
Yes. People, including children, SHOULD be tougher, have better work etchics, etc. But there really is no realistic way to force them to do so. "Back in my day" arguments aren't going to accomplish anything realistically.
Other than to pat you on your back and tell you what a nice job you've done, there's really not a whole lot that your personal history is going to do to come up with solutions to any of this.
You can look around at some of the discussions right here on THIS site, where we have true blue Anons regularly discussing that they just can't find any jobs, because foreigners are taking those jobs. I've seen people rush to comfort them, insisting that being on welfare/food stamps/ whatever was just fine, because that's what they're here for, and it's not like they're abusing it like others who are on it, who just don't want to work.
But here's the thing. We have a HUGE unskilled labor shortage. So huge that the government is INCREASING H2 visas to bring in even more foreigners to do this work.
So for the vast majority of people claiming they can't find work, including ANONS and conservatives and MAGA (it's not just liberals), that's 100% BS. There are plenty of jobs out there. They just don't want to do those jobs, especially at the pay that those industries have set.
So shifting the blame and responsibility for this on prisoners and kids and people on disability isn't going to fly when we have so many others who refuse to do that work.
This is why we need to make EVERYONE accountable, under the same set of standards. Having one set of standards for liberals/prisoners/kids/disabled and an entirely different set for Anons/MAGA/Conservatives/whoever you identify with isn't going to solve anything.
Because it's arguing out of both sides of the mouth and undermines our credibility when trying to convince others what should be done to correct it.
Yes, I'm in agreement with you re: This is why we need to make EVERYONE accountable. I just picked 2 examples to write about.
As a child earning my own money wasn't painful, I enjoyed having things I bought for myself. I bought a Canary Yellow bicycle with pop bottle money. By the time deposits went up I was riding around with a basket in the front and two in the back. On Saturdays I also pulled a wagon/
The conveniance stores had a nightmare of bottles and became very picky and would only take a few clean for most people, or required you to buy sodas. NOT for me, I cleaned my bottles and organized their bottle area for them. They were more than happy to take ALL my bottles.
No person should be able to live without being productive for themselves up to their ability. A lot of homeless can't get a job, they are unreliable, steal, addicted and batshit crazy.
People in prison should work, get a small portion of their pay with the rest going to compensate their victims. If you murder the family provider, why should the Government be the new provider when your crime is the cause?
In my case, I can mange my cost of living on my SS since I no longer drive. However, I work PT when in the USA and pick up shifts, that's my spending money... SS was never meant to be sole support anyways. I had 2 rental Condos and my Condo all paid off, but got married and now own nothing since I retired and moved abroad, I came back with my wife due to the COVID lockdowns, starting over when you have a couple of suitcases each, is expensive in the USA. Between that, moving abroad and building a house while living on savings depleted my nest egg to 20%, since returning to the USA I'm at 150% but then we have had massive inflation.
The returning to work caused SS problems with overpayment, but I paid them back and they took the rest back. The silver lining is that I bumped off low-earning years and received a 2% increase the first year, 1 % the second year, and almost 1% the third year. Last year is yet to be determined... This year PT and seasonal won't be bumping off any more low years, but there is unlimited earned income at FR age. Note: Last year was my 49th year paying into SS
When I was young, I worked hard, and I had jobs pestering me to come back.
An early job was in a foliage nursery lumping plants and pots to the potting stations. When I started there were 2 of us. After awhile the other guy quit, yet I was able to do the job alone. When my Grandfather passed away I moved in with Gram and had no way to get to work, they called me more than once trying to get me to come back, I can give multiple examples of that type of situation.
That's impressive. But does nothing to change what's going on.
So...I'll give you a digital pat on the back and an " 'Atta boy!" But that's pretty much all your personal anecdote amounts to.
Wasn't trying to impress, nor looking for atta boys, but thanks. You seem to think we NEED the illegals to work to make America function.
A better approach is for the 3rd world countries to kick the globalists' asses and make life better in their countries.
50 years ago the illegals came to work, and few were on the dole; that's a relatively new thing.
At any rate, laws already exist that makes it illegal to hire illegals, industry just found ways to get around it, that with lack of enforcement.
But hey if you have a business that hires illegals it is on you if you get arrested.
Already almost tripple the numbers of illegals that were deported have self-deported and the de-banking hasn't really kicked in yet. The removal from government handouts has only just got going good.
They don't have to arrest all illegal hiring employers and the number of employers to make the no illegal choice will outnumber their arrests.
You have been around here quite a while, and you are coming off arguing like a Krassinstein. Are you sure you are conservative?
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I have to do errands around my town and “three churches” I don’t know what type of denomination (full of people and cars) building more rooms in the back and probably bringing more people to this town, they are the ones to blame for housing all these illegals where I live and getting permits to built more condos and houses. Probably the ones eliminating all the nature we had now which it is gone. They are in cahoots with the builders and the counties/state to keep the illegals and the H1B visas in this state. I know they are ready to vote Demoncrats and this is Florida.
Churches? Wow.
Check your locals churches and see how busy they are nowadays. They used to be empty and like disappearing now they are more alive than ever.
I am seeing it.
Close by where I live, churches are doing double services now and many, if you can believe, are popping due to the Hispanics.
I am not talking about Catholic either, okay.
...please save everyone the trouble and just link this feed and GP to the sticky page...
it's there now.
In 2025, AB-1518 passed and was codified as R&TC 18537. It allows employers to file a "group tax return" on behalf of illegals. CA allows illegals to be paid less than minimum wage as long as they pay the highest income tax bracket. The state itself is exploiting illegals.
Oh. Interesting. I did not know.
High time to pull the rug, rip off the bandaid, go for the headshot. All of this dinking around is getting us nowhere. I still see flower sellers at intersections, juice vendors at the street corners, a lot of food trucks with people in there working that dont speak no English, restaurants, supermarkets, drivers, Uber, Lyft, doordash, etc.... list goes on. I dont see very many changes taking place. The airports are the big one, I still see a lot of foreign workers from all sorts of places at the airports and some dont even speak good English.
I do. Already many restaurants here in my areas are not opening their normal hours. Amazon are taking hits and I couldn't believe going to a Sunday lunch today and I have to end up at the 3rd restaurant before they are opened.
That is great to hear. What state?
Arkansas right close by Texas.
All these arguments saying businesses are going to go under without the illegals reminds me of freeing the slaves in the late 1800's. If you re-read all of the comments saying business will go under, with the lens of reading it in the late 1860's, it's a weird feeling. The US has increased the minimum legal wage too high. We used to hire unqualified people to sweep the floors and work their way up. We stopped doing that about 8 or so years ago, because the minimum wage got higher than we were willing to pay someone with ambition to sweep floors. So if a company goes under because the illegals are swept out of here, it'll readjust. We readjusted after slavery, we will readjust after this mild form of slavery that was subsidized by We the People.
Now we need to stop inflation and lower the minimum wage, and get our teenagers working again!!!
The government continually LOWERS the minimum wage for unskilled visa workers. Just last year, they changed it so the H2 visas are separated into different tiers, with the lowest skilled tiers now having a minimum wage of $8/hr.
Previous to that, ALL H2 visas had a minimum wage of $15-$20/hr.
So, naturally, this has caused an even GREATER demand for H2 visas. We can't crank them out fast enough.
So, lowering the minimum wage obviously isn't improving the work force here.
And the most unskilled labor, which is now at $8/hr, is for some of the hardest/most dangerous work like farm hands.
It's tough to find legal US workers who will work in the fields in the blistering heat, working their fingers to the bone for $8/hr. Which is why we have so many H2 visas, which, in turn, is a major reason why we have so many illegals, when they just don't leave when their visa expires.
I just had the same discussion with a business owner in the Wisconsin Dells. Nearly all retailers and restaurants are full of h1b workers. Most know very little English and makes it difficult to purchase items…so we stopped purchasing from those retailers. The business owner said 10 years ago or so all these jobs were filled with University of Wisconsin students or High Schoolers. Not anymore.
I think you're getting the visas mixed up.
H1 visas are typically for skilled work. Think technology jobs. There capped at low numbers, so they're not as many available as H2.
H2 visas are unskilled labor. Think agriculture, restaurants, cashiers (like your example), etc. We're cranking out H2 visas like there's no tomorrow.
I'm not trying to be contrary, but it's important to know the difference and use them correctly because we deal with them differently.
For instance, many skilled US workers are furious over H1 visas, because the jobs involved in those are highly sought after and often pay $100,000s per year.
While H2 visas are for drudge work and pay peanuts and are avoided by legal US workers so much (at the rates those jobs want to pay their workers) that there's a huge labor shortage and we can't get foreigners over here fast enough to fill them.
They're not filled with university graduates now, because most university graduates aren't going to do that drudge work for $8/hr.
Our government keeps LOWERING the minimum wages that companies can pay visa workers, thus increasing the demand for visa workers.
If a business could only find legal US workers who would do the work offered for say...$15/hr, but could import foreigners who could do it for $8/hr, which do you think they're going to employ?
These aren't difficult jobs. Trained monkeys could do the majority of them. Why would they willingly pay a premium to hire people for these types of jobs?
Thank you for that clarification. I could swore he said h1b but nonetheless by the time the employer pays the lower wage, provide temp housing and food allowance I would like to think a decent wage would be paid for local help 🤷♂️
great reminder.
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