Q and Gospel of Thomas represented the earliest Christian materials at an early point in a trajectory that eventually resulted in the canonical gospels. This burst of interest after the discovery of the Gospel of Thomas led to increasingly more sophisticated literary reconstructions of Q.
No wonder the Catholic Church doesn't want you reading the Gnostic texts they are the True account of Jesus' sayings.
The Catholic Church made Jesus all about death, resurrection and sin.
You don't know that, no one said that. Quelle is a hypothetical document and Gospel of Thomas is nothing that new and has been questioned and studied thoroughly by Christian Origin Scientists. Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus' sayings." They are merely reconstructions of a text that may or may never have existed in the first place. I believe the jews talk of oral tradition may apply here as well. We just don't know.
I know that the Catholic Church is evil and always has been.
I know they preach the NT and and frighten you away from all other religious thought other than theirs. The NT is the MSM of its day. How do you think they controlled the masses before MSM?
If the Catholic Church says to do something, do the opposite.
If the Catholic Church says not to do something, do it.
Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus'
Reconstruction? The NT is a reconstruction. Whats your point.
What are Christian Origin Scientist? Do you mean Biblical Historians, Biblical Archeologist, Biblical Theologians???
You say, "We just don't know" yet in your first post you said that, "No, This is wrong."
No, biblical historians, archeologists, are not scientists and likewise have an agenda. Science is a process. We just don't know vs. he was wrong. I don't get your point. Is it a true account of Jesus' sayings or is it a reconstruction?
What is Christian Origination Science, Ive never heard of it.
That doesn't sound like they have a Christian agenda to you? It sounds like they have a Christian agenda to me.
Biblical Studies on the other hand, studies the bible, they could be Christian, Jewish , Islam, non-denominational, et al. The field draws on disciplines ranging from archaeology, ancient history, historical criticism, cultural anthropology, textual criticism, literary criticism, historical backgrounds, mythology, and comparative religion.
There is no such thing as Biblical Science. If you go to school for biblical studies you receive a Bachelor of Arts degree not a Bachelor of Science. They use the scientific method in the Biblical Study disciplines. Im guessing C.O.S. is some pseudo science on the fringes of scholarly pursuits of religious studies with an agenda. Again show me a web site for Christian Origination Science.
You said it was a reconstruction, not me. The Nag Hammadi Library is a least 200 years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls both are the oldest know example of the corresponding texts, Gnostic Text and the New Testament respectively. If there were any "reconstruction" of texts going on it was the D.S.S reconstructing the N.H.L. because the N.H.L. is much older therefore first based on archeological evidence. Gnosticism is older than Christianity.
So to answer your question straightly, The Gospel of Thomas is as true as the N.T. if not truer, because the Catholic Church tried to stomp Gnosticism out of existence, trying to hide the truth. The N.T. and the Catholic Church were created by the Flavian Dynasty and Josephus in order to control the masses.
As for the Q source, I suspect that it's the Sumerian texts. The Sumerians were the oldest civilization to date. Many of their histories have parallels with the OT and NT. Adam and Eve, Noah, Cain and Able, ect. you might even say the Bible is a reconstruction of the Sumerian texts, a very bad reconstruction.
Love this one! Never thought of the sundial 5:5 -> Q. I liked your other examples here as well, but I'll just leave this one comment. And I really like that the sign language Q looks like a shadow puppet "duck". I like ducks a lot, and this will make it easier to remember. ;)
I’ve actually started doing that hand signal without even realizing it was the official hand sign for q.
Started making an uppercase Q like the OK symbol but closed then I did lower case and then realized you can do lower case but on both sides with the two fingers. Think Mirror!
Want to know what’s even more fun than holding the OK hand symbol as you drive down a highway liberal infested east coast?
The Q hand symbol.
It’s really easy and primal hand gesture, like riding a bike!
What would we do without our thumbs?
This is the official hand symbol for Q as well, it also works great because it is mirrored so oncoming and outgoing traffic both read it as the lower case letter Q - lol pdqdpdqd
Most importantly they turned a low key letter that had been hi-jacked by the “queer” movement and made it cool again. In my humble opinion the letter was too heavily associated with LBGTQ for such a bad ass little scribble.
It’s so fun to draw as well! Here’s an air Q for u! SWOOSH!
So here's another interesting thing to reflect on.
Didymos Judas = "praised twin", or in some translations just "twin" x2, depending on translations from the Greek / Hebrew.
The sayings of Jesus himself are purportedly in the gospel of Thomas, which was written by "Didymos Judas Thomas" or in english "Thomas, the twin (who should be praised) " or just "his twin, Thomas".
Funnily enough a recent(ish) series of Red Dwarf actually delved into this to some degree, but looked at Judas being judas iscariot, not Didymos Judas Thomas.
Im going tonhave to do a dive into that gospel again now....
Not anymore. ;^)
Edited again....
Lol
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/q.html
"The Lost Gospel Of Q - Fact or Fantasy"? https://files.catbox.moe/hsrbgt.pdf
"The Post-Mortem Vindication of Jesus in the Saying Gospel Q" https://files.catbox.moe/oiczu0.pdf
Wow and the Q+ hypothesis in that page too. Biblical.
Time travel does cause a bit of confusion
No wonder the Catholic Church doesn't want you reading the Gnostic texts they are the True account of Jesus' sayings.
The Catholic Church made Jesus all about death, resurrection and sin.
Dogma (the film) got one major component right about religion: catholics mourn their faith rather than find glory in it.
Excellent Quote.
Catholic rituals/masses are creepy as fuck.
Its all about Christ's death, eating flesh and drinking blood.
exactly and this^ is why I always asked so many questions during mass...didn't make sense/seemed so morbid
No, this is wrong.
Great argument. You've changed my mind.
you made a huge leap in faith as well as logic.
You don't know that, no one said that. Quelle is a hypothetical document and Gospel of Thomas is nothing that new and has been questioned and studied thoroughly by Christian Origin Scientists. Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus' sayings." They are merely reconstructions of a text that may or may never have existed in the first place. I believe the jews talk of oral tradition may apply here as well. We just don't know.
I know that the Catholic Church is evil and always has been.
I know they preach the NT and and frighten you away from all other religious thought other than theirs. The NT is the MSM of its day. How do you think they controlled the masses before MSM?
If the Catholic Church says to do something, do the opposite.
If the Catholic Church says not to do something, do it.
Reconstruction? The NT is a reconstruction. Whats your point.
What are Christian Origin Scientist? Do you mean Biblical Historians, Biblical Archeologist, Biblical Theologians???
You say, "We just don't know" yet in your first post you said that, "No, This is wrong."
No, biblical historians, archeologists, are not scientists and likewise have an agenda. Science is a process. We just don't know vs. he was wrong. I don't get your point. Is it a true account of Jesus' sayings or is it a reconstruction?
What is Christian Origination Science, Ive never heard of it.
That doesn't sound like they have a Christian agenda to you? It sounds like they have a Christian agenda to me.
Biblical Studies on the other hand, studies the bible, they could be Christian, Jewish , Islam, non-denominational, et al. The field draws on disciplines ranging from archaeology, ancient history, historical criticism, cultural anthropology, textual criticism, literary criticism, historical backgrounds, mythology, and comparative religion.
There is no such thing as Biblical Science. If you go to school for biblical studies you receive a Bachelor of Arts degree not a Bachelor of Science. They use the scientific method in the Biblical Study disciplines. Im guessing C.O.S. is some pseudo science on the fringes of scholarly pursuits of religious studies with an agenda. Again show me a web site for Christian Origination Science.
You said it was a reconstruction, not me. The Nag Hammadi Library is a least 200 years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls both are the oldest know example of the corresponding texts, Gnostic Text and the New Testament respectively. If there were any "reconstruction" of texts going on it was the D.S.S reconstructing the N.H.L. because the N.H.L. is much older therefore first based on archeological evidence. Gnosticism is older than Christianity.
So to answer your question straightly, The Gospel of Thomas is as true as the N.T. if not truer, because the Catholic Church tried to stomp Gnosticism out of existence, trying to hide the truth. The N.T. and the Catholic Church were created by the Flavian Dynasty and Josephus in order to control the masses.
As for the Q source, I suspect that it's the Sumerian texts. The Sumerians were the oldest civilization to date. Many of their histories have parallels with the OT and NT. Adam and Eve, Noah, Cain and Able, ect. you might even say the Bible is a reconstruction of the Sumerian texts, a very bad reconstruction.
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17358
I suspect the Q source is from outer space.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Outer-Space-Earliest-Christians/dp/1634311949
sorry for the downvote but just wanted to say, I dig your knowledgebase.
I'm reading a book about St Francis and it is written in the language of old....I was shocked to see a Q written many times! I just smiled!
Apparently St Francis was based....??
You have no idea how much this info has been on my mind the past few days....
I don’t even know that much about it or understand it/Bible in general, or much of anything at all for that matter!
But it’s just been continually coming to the forefront of my brain...
“THE SQURCE”
We are all tapped into the same hive-mind
It’s just all about recognizing when you are at 1NE
WITH the SQURCE
EVEN the Q symbol itself. Study it, what does it look like, represent, symbolize? What other symbols and characters can be made?
The letter Q looks like the moment of conception to me!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/65/15/d56515796990a24aabf26c9ad54b5190.jpg
Is it pertinent? God knows! But this just came to mind!
5:5?
Love this one! Never thought of the sundial 5:5 -> Q. I liked your other examples here as well, but I'll just leave this one comment. And I really like that the sign language Q looks like a shadow puppet "duck". I like ducks a lot, and this will make it easier to remember. ;)
Kek the duck
I’ve actually started doing that hand signal without even realizing it was the official hand sign for q.
Started making an uppercase Q like the OK symbol but closed then I did lower case and then realized you can do lower case but on both sides with the two fingers. Think Mirror!
This guy gets it! There’s one!
O <-
O-
Q
Want to know what’s even more fun than holding the OK hand symbol as you drive down a highway liberal infested east coast?
The Q hand symbol.
It’s really easy and primal hand gesture, like riding a bike!
What would we do without our thumbs?
This is the official hand symbol for Q as well, it also works great because it is mirrored so oncoming and outgoing traffic both read it as the lower case letter Q - lol pdqdpdqd
https://images2.pics4learning.com/catalog/q/q.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/06/bd/3a/06bd3a1eb457bcc1b978e68f791a52a7.png
Most importantly they turned a low key letter that had been hi-jacked by the “queer” movement and made it cool again. In my humble opinion the letter was too heavily associated with LBGTQ for such a bad ass little scribble.
It’s so fun to draw as well! Here’s an air Q for u! SWOOSH!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fc/40/83/fc4083a7cdba6f3ecef377a0903e9fe1.jpg
Not only did they make it cool again, but they made it THE coolest letter.
Maybe one day Q will inspire thousands of more anons who wake up to challenge the narrative.
Call it X anon if u will
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Q+ is the Logoi of Jesus.
Boom +
Great dig Anon Fren
I just got up & this was the first thing I read. I’m slack-jawed. BOOM ?
Now this IS Biblical indeed!
Im am the Alpha and Omega.
THE BEGINNING AND THE END.
"I am who am"
Exactly.
A coming to realization. When you know, you gain the ability to create/manipulate.
Source = Prime Creator/God/Lord
I needed aomething like this today. Beautiful.
So here's another interesting thing to reflect on.
Didymos Judas = "praised twin", or in some translations just "twin" x2, depending on translations from the Greek / Hebrew.
The sayings of Jesus himself are purportedly in the gospel of Thomas, which was written by "Didymos Judas Thomas" or in english "Thomas, the twin (who should be praised) " or just "his twin, Thomas".
Funnily enough a recent(ish) series of Red Dwarf actually delved into this to some degree, but looked at Judas being judas iscariot, not Didymos Judas Thomas.
Im going tonhave to do a dive into that gospel again now....
THE SOURCE**** ty
What is GOD was source; then what ??
"Q is from German. NAZIs were German. Q is NAZIs! "
future Vice article probably.
YES, it's all about the Q Source and Jesus!
so many connections, especially after you've read through it several times.
This line of thinking is antichrist territory, hate to say it.