Keeping with that thought, According to the bible we are approaching the 6000 year delta of the date of creation.
God created all things in 6 days and on the 7th He rested.
Furthermore, see Genesis 2. Verse 4 starts a new section of the original Hebrew. So the "account" pertains to what follows instead of what proceeds.
If you look closely, man was created on the 3rd day of creation. Why? Because Man was alone when created and God then created the animals and birds trying to find a suitable helper. God created Man on the day he created the heavens and the earth, the third day.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(billions of years go by)
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
This theory undermines the foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
God created everything in creation week, and he called it "very good." Adam and Eve lived in paradise, there was no death and no disease. Adam and Eve could literally walk with God and converse with him. Then Adam and Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. Death, disease, and thorns entered the world, and mankind was forced to work to survive. Descendants of Adam (aka everyone) inherit his sin nature and as a result the default state of man is to live in sin. Jesus came along to save mankind by paying the penalty we all deserve, and if you accept his salvation and believe in his resurrection then you enter into eternal life with God.
Old Earth is fake news. To believe in old Earth means death and disease existed before mankind. That's backwards from what the Bible plainly states. Creation cannot be "very good" with death and disease running rampant. And if Adam & Eve were going to die anyway, then their act of eating the forbidden fruit made no consequence. And Jesus' work on the cross is without meaning.
The final redpill is the realization that God is real, and the Bible is true. Don't believe the fake news about old Earth and evolution. It's a lie to encourage you to sin and be proud of your sin.
No it doesn’t. The age of the earth has nothing to do with Christ’s Message. No matter how old or you g the earth is, the Gospel will always be the Gospel.
Death was Adam's punishment for sin. If death existed before Adam, back when God called creation "very good," then why would Jesus come to save us from death? That doesn't make any sense.
What really happened was God created a world without death. Adam sinned and brought death into the world. Jesus came to save men from death (by living a sinless life, dieing on a cross, and resurrecting from death).
Adam ate the fruit of knowledge, and became aware of death. That's what its teaching us about. Man coming up from the animal kingdom and learning of his own mortality.
Paradise was our ignorance, ignorance is bliss after all. You could say dogs live in paradise still.
I knew as soon as I wrote it someone would do this :)
My statement is that the age of the earth is not currently in dispute. The science part of that is that it's still WIDE OPEN to being in dispute. If someone wants to challenge the carbon dating methodology that has been replicated countless times with the same result, it's OPEN to debate.
The non-science attitude would be to say "Nope, age of the earth is SETTLED at 4.5 billion years, and there is no possibility of questioning it, thanks to the CONSENSUS. So, no debate is possible." THAT would be bullshit.
All it would take is one scientist to challenge the carbon dating, bring the scientific proof, defend it, have his thing replicated by a number of other scientists...then we'll change and stop saying 4.5 billion years.
Yes, the age of the earth actually is in dispute. It's not 4.5 billion years. Every year,
"scientists" come up with a totally new number. Their "science" is circular reasoning.
That isn't scientific debate. It reads like a bluehair twitpost tapped out on an iPhone between sips of a soy latte.
Here's what scientific debate actually looks like:
If you believe the methods are faulty, as you imply, then here's what you need to do: Bring the evidence of it. Show your materials and methods, demonstrate how you proved your hypothesis that current methods are faulty, write a cogent article worthy of publication in a refereed scientific journal that explains your conclusions, and invite other scientists to replicate your findings. IF and only if they do, then your new number for the age of the earth may be taken seriously.
It was largely rhetorical. Anyone who has a modicum of true science in them knows all about the dating methods and the problems associated with them. Your statement that the age of the earth not being in dispute reveals that your are neither a scientist nor a person that understands what science is all about. Very, very and I stress very few things are undisputed.
Your statement that the age of the earth not being in dispute reveals that your are neither a scientist nor a person that understands what science is all about.
No, it doesn't. What it reveals is that the age of the earth is not in serious dispute at the moment by people who understand what science is about. It's in dispute by people who use a literal interpretation of the Bible to date the earth instead of relying on actual methodologies that have proven accurate for decades.
Current methodologies are always subject to challenge, using further experimentation, data collection, reporting of results, and replication, which is part of the scientific method I explained to you earlier.
There are a lot of things not "in serious dispute" at all times that are absolutely wrong. Seeing as you do not understand this, I'll just stop talking to you.
Like Jesus said in Mathew 25, it’s impossible to know when the final end is cause that’s a big God secret. Though you really couldn’t be blamed thinking it’s really fucking soon at this point. Hell, you could be blamed for the reverse at this point. I mean, does anyone see breaking 30 at the current trajectory?
Death is Separation. Physical death happens when the Spirit separates from the body.
I believe the Death that Adam and Eve experienced was spiritual death. A separation of man's Spirit from God's Spirit.
Keeping with that thought, According to the bible we are approaching the 6000 year delta of the date of creation. God created all things in 6 days and on the 7th He rested.
2 Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+peter+3%3A8&version=NIV
6 days of creation = 6 thousand years. 1 day of rest = Revelation 20. Satan is locked away for 1000 years to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020&version=NIV Just something to consider.
Six days of creation and 1 day of rest = 7 thousand years
Thank you for this.
🤯
Furthermore, see Genesis 2. Verse 4 starts a new section of the original Hebrew. So the "account" pertains to what follows instead of what proceeds.
If you look closely, man was created on the 3rd day of creation. Why? Because Man was alone when created and God then created the animals and birds trying to find a suitable helper. God created Man on the day he created the heavens and the earth, the third day.
Please,...no.
The age of the earth is not in dispute, it's 4.5 billion years.
Render unto science those things that are science.
There’s a gap theory.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
(billions of years go by)
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
This theory undermines the foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
God created everything in creation week, and he called it "very good." Adam and Eve lived in paradise, there was no death and no disease. Adam and Eve could literally walk with God and converse with him. Then Adam and Eve sinned by eating the forbidden fruit. Death, disease, and thorns entered the world, and mankind was forced to work to survive. Descendants of Adam (aka everyone) inherit his sin nature and as a result the default state of man is to live in sin. Jesus came along to save mankind by paying the penalty we all deserve, and if you accept his salvation and believe in his resurrection then you enter into eternal life with God.
Old Earth is fake news. To believe in old Earth means death and disease existed before mankind. That's backwards from what the Bible plainly states. Creation cannot be "very good" with death and disease running rampant. And if Adam & Eve were going to die anyway, then their act of eating the forbidden fruit made no consequence. And Jesus' work on the cross is without meaning.
The final redpill is the realization that God is real, and the Bible is true. Don't believe the fake news about old Earth and evolution. It's a lie to encourage you to sin and be proud of your sin.
See these people for a scientific rebuttal to the fake news of old earth https://answersingenesis.org/
No it doesn’t. The age of the earth has nothing to do with Christ’s Message. No matter how old or you g the earth is, the Gospel will always be the Gospel.
Death was Adam's punishment for sin. If death existed before Adam, back when God called creation "very good," then why would Jesus come to save us from death? That doesn't make any sense.
What really happened was God created a world without death. Adam sinned and brought death into the world. Jesus came to save men from death (by living a sinless life, dieing on a cross, and resurrecting from death).
Adam wasnt punished with death..
Adam ate the fruit of knowledge, and became aware of death. That's what its teaching us about. Man coming up from the animal kingdom and learning of his own mortality.
Paradise was our ignorance, ignorance is bliss after all. You could say dogs live in paradise still.
Analysis of the Bible provides an answer for everything.
-not in dispute -science
Pick one.
I knew as soon as I wrote it someone would do this :)
My statement is that the age of the earth is not currently in dispute. The science part of that is that it's still WIDE OPEN to being in dispute. If someone wants to challenge the carbon dating methodology that has been replicated countless times with the same result, it's OPEN to debate.
The non-science attitude would be to say "Nope, age of the earth is SETTLED at 4.5 billion years, and there is no possibility of questioning it, thanks to the CONSENSUS. So, no debate is possible." THAT would be bullshit.
All it would take is one scientist to challenge the carbon dating, bring the scientific proof, defend it, have his thing replicated by a number of other scientists...then we'll change and stop saying 4.5 billion years.
Yeah and the universe is 13.8 billion years old. Astronomy in college was fun.
Doh
That's what I meant to say
Yes, the age of the earth actually is in dispute. It's not 4.5 billion years. Every year, "scientists" come up with a totally new number. Their "science" is circular reasoning.
Sauce?
Here are just two sources that give different numbers:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/geology/age-of-the-earth.htm
https://www.nationalgeographic.org/topics/resource-library-age-earth/
There are lots more. Just Google it. I'm not going to list thousands of Google hits here for you.
Please explain to us the methods of carbon and radiometric dating and how there is absolutely no evidence that these methods may be faulty.
LOL
That isn't scientific debate. It reads like a bluehair twitpost tapped out on an iPhone between sips of a soy latte.
Here's what scientific debate actually looks like:
If you believe the methods are faulty, as you imply, then here's what you need to do: Bring the evidence of it. Show your materials and methods, demonstrate how you proved your hypothesis that current methods are faulty, write a cogent article worthy of publication in a refereed scientific journal that explains your conclusions, and invite other scientists to replicate your findings. IF and only if they do, then your new number for the age of the earth may be taken seriously.
Get busy! :)
It was largely rhetorical. Anyone who has a modicum of true science in them knows all about the dating methods and the problems associated with them. Your statement that the age of the earth not being in dispute reveals that your are neither a scientist nor a person that understands what science is all about. Very, very and I stress very few things are undisputed.
No, it doesn't. What it reveals is that the age of the earth is not in serious dispute at the moment by people who understand what science is about. It's in dispute by people who use a literal interpretation of the Bible to date the earth instead of relying on actual methodologies that have proven accurate for decades.
Current methodologies are always subject to challenge, using further experimentation, data collection, reporting of results, and replication, which is part of the scientific method I explained to you earlier.
There are a lot of things not "in serious dispute" at all times that are absolutely wrong. Seeing as you do not understand this, I'll just stop talking to you.
How's that read, ya prick
Ah yes, the ad hominem attack, the pinnacle of scientific discourse.
Dismissed.
Ye ole google box giving me a date of April 3, 33 for that. Take that for whatever it’s worth.
Makes sense why evil is making such a huge push right now.
I have seen those numbers EVERYWHERE, starting to get worried my time was coming lol
Enjoying his popcorn til then.
Jesus is said to have been born around April 9, 7 B.C.
I find that hilarious
Only Jesus could be born before himself
Wait what? Wasn't that in the year 2000? I'm confused lol i must be drink too much fluoride tap water
Like Jesus said in Mathew 25, it’s impossible to know when the final end is cause that’s a big God secret. Though you really couldn’t be blamed thinking it’s really fucking soon at this point. Hell, you could be blamed for the reverse at this point. I mean, does anyone see breaking 30 at the current trajectory?
HAAALELUJAH👏👏👏
I saw a video recently on this topic, will try to find if someone hasn't already beaten me to it.
Doubt we’ll make it without an outpouring of the Holy Spirit before 2033.
Either way, I’m ready...
I’m outfitted with The Armor of God! ⚔️
cue fools arguing over what the bible does/does not say🙄🙄🙄
Without actually reading it.
Death is Separation. Physical death happens when the Spirit separates from the body. I believe the Death that Adam and Eve experienced was spiritual death. A separation of man's Spirit from God's Spirit.