Last year I removed a bunch of people after the BLM riots. I know how communism works and could see that these people would be the ones to rat me out if it ever came to it.
So my list of friends is drastically lower, and most are pretty right wing. Well this friend of mine, who a couple years ago got a job at a hospital making sanitation policy, came at me about a question I had regarding medical staff being threatened over vaccine hesitation. I didn't understand why they would threaten to fire staff if they were already so severely strapped.
Long story short, instead of answering the question, he came at me emotionally and talked about some of what he saw. I replied with my concerns about the authoritarian measures being taken, the VAERS reporting, the flu cases disappearing, etc.
His reply was long, emotional, and honestly painful. He accused me of having an attitude that killed people, that I had no empathy and didnt care about people dying. I've been sitting here for a few days thinking about it. Granted I don't see what is happening in some of these hospitals.
I'm sure there are places where things ARE bad. But damn it if this division isn't heart-wrenching. I'm not gonna convince him that he can't see the forest for the trees, and he's never gonna convince me that the vax is the right thing to do. It just sucks that someone would essentially accuse me of killing someone. But worse, it sucks I am losing someone I considered to be a good friend over an issue of medical freedom.
Been through this several times:
"I can see you genuinely believe what you are saying. Just know that I will always be proud to call you my sister/friend/cousin/etc. For my part, I sincerely hope you do not suffer any long term health complications for your decision to participate in this medical experiment."
And then just let it go. Nothing else to be said.
This is GOOD. I’m gonna use it.
If you have faith in the jab, get the jab. The jab is your salvation. All sins shall be covered by the jab. The jab is the beginning and the end. The alpha and omega.
I on the other hand don't want your shitty jab. I follow Jesus. The one true God.
Amen
Renounce Coronatarianism
One thing I've never understood about the "you're killing people" argument, is how am I killing people of the vax doesn't protect against transmission?
I even need to constantly remind myself of this too, but what we often forget is THESE PEOPLE DO NOT THINK. There is no reason, logic, no wonder, no nothing.
All they are is a node for the msm. It doesn't matter what it is , how crazy it sounds, parroting their beloved TV ( their friends and idols ) is all they are capable of. That's why I quit trying to red pill libs long ago. Waste of resources.
I think the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few, but I also think a lot of seeds hit the ricks and never grow. A lot of libs are like this. I mostly limit to red pilling normies that just put their head in the sand normally but are aware things are not going well.
We need to wake people up. A lot of libs are not really asleep but their hearts are hardened and they're willingly playing for the other side.
And apparently it doesn’t meet the legal nor medical definition of a vaccine, so what are they even arguing about?
I’m sorry. Just said to my husband tonight that I’m afraid this will forever ruin relationships with some members of our family. It’s heartbreaking and unnecessary.
We’ve been told we are selfish by not being vaccinated by both his siblings and my sister. Must be the cnn talking point..... no concern for our freedoms however.....
People that are unwilling or unable to think for themselves are nothing but trouble, bring nothing but drama. I made the decision decades ago to keep those sorts at arms length. Makes things a LOT simpler, whether family or not.
I’ve cut out family over this. They not only don’t respect my autonomy, they have said “it’s people like you that are causing the pandemic to continue”. For my health, sanity, and sadly even my safety, I’ve had to sever those ties that I once held so dear. Clearly they didn’t feel the same.
My side of the family is completely based, my husbands side is about 50/50. I’m for sure gonna have issues with some of his fam for a long time :|
Here's the thing, and we all need to understand this.
A lot of people are dying and your friend is (and has been) seeing all this. What is important to know, and something that we are all now truly finding out, is that it isn't the virus that is killing all those people, it's the hospitals.
The processes that all of the hospitals have locked themselves into is very effectively, and very quickly, killing hundreds of thousands.
Hospitals are the problem, I completely agree. And because of this past year and a half I do not trust hospitals whatsoever.
Found out today a family member in Texas has double pneumonia and “covid” (thinking that Covid label is bs considering most everyone of us here knows they’ve not isolated a sample of the coronavirus and the tests are bogus; guarantee the label is just for bounty money) and relative is receiving a very costly treatment touted by - you guessed it! - Big Pharma.
If they would have had an early treatment plan for Covid, people would not have died. If they would have treated the symptoms, people would not have died. We did not kill people. The choice that hospital administrators made, killed people. I had the virus, 4 different doctors told me to treat with flu medicine, still sick 4 weeks later and I got told rest. Not one Dr would treat the symptoms, they wouldnt even try. At one point I begged God not to wake me up. I felt so lost! The people who make the decisions in hospitals, killed people!
This is what Dr. Peter McCullough has testified before Congress.
I'm trying to look at this as an opportunity. Like Trump finding out who really supports him, this crisis is clearing identifying friends and family I can trust and who I need to let go. I probably would have been stuck in a rut for the rest of my life but this is giving me a much better idea of who I want to share my life with. As for people that are so pro-vax, I ask them to share with me the data/studies they're basing their opinion on.
I'm sure it hurts, but maybe part of the pain is seeing him for what he really is -- and that's something you never saw before this. He is an emotional manipulator, an emotional blackmailer. "You don't care. You are killing people."
Get real. It's them who are causing the problems and killing people with the shot -- and / or their bogus and horrible hospital 'protocol' that includes death ventilators.
I've lost friends as well. The last couple of times when people have accused me of being selfish by not getting jabbed I've responded "Oh no, I'm sorry, you must have misheard me. I would NEVER try to prevent someone from being vaccinated so that they're protected." When they then explain that their vaccine doesn't work unless I get it too, I try to pause for an uncomfortably long time. Then I say "That's not how vaccines work. Vaccines prevent disease all by themselves and regardless of what other people do. I didn't realize that you are a vaccine denier." I've made two people lock-up so far.
I ran into a Karen getting all hysteric about kids and covid. She said parents who won’t give their kids the clot shot want them to die. After I cited the CDCs own number of child deaths, she asked why I was ok with so many. So I showed her the number of children who die in auto accidents and asked why she wasn’t trying 10x harder to save 10x more kids. Then I accused her of wanting her children to die because she puts them in a car.
Many people have no understanding of statistics and the risk of life.
Because they can only argue emotion and not logic or reason. If they were logical they would have recognized that if the vaccine in fact worked it would not matter whether others were vaccinated or not. The emotion is fear. They fear loss of stability/security and have been coerced by the media into seeing the unvaccinated as the cause of the chaos they see around them. Because if their lack of discernment they are unaware, as most of us are, that this is all by design. The agenda is depopulation through the jab and the cabal need the cowards to make it happen.
Ummm then why care about VAERS reporting?
If you didn't care about other people, why are you concerned with the number of people being harmed by the vaccine?
These people are stupid.
Most R-L conversations:
R: "I am describing an external situation. It disturbs me. What do you think of this situation?
L: "I now believe that I can see inside of your mind. I am horrified!"
simplified:
R: Facts
L: Telepathy
Fuck em' . That's the attitude I had to adopt. I dont have time to convince the inconvincable. I got patriot shit to do.
Maybe this isn't the place to say this, but I am finally trying to part ways with a close family member who has been emotionally draining to me for decades. I wish her well, but I want to be free of the constant victimhood-ness, emotional dumping, self-sabotaging, never-want-to-recognize-their-need-to-change, blame everything on their spouse self. I am finally at an age and place where I can say I want to detach and it wouldn't mean I am a terrible person. She needs a friend, but it doesn't have to be me. I'm weary of her life choices and all of her life choices, and listening to them for so long. I just don't want to hear it anymore. It is JUST SO DRAINING. I hope she finds a friend who can relate and who wants to listen to that all the time. I don't have to do it any longer just because she has no one else. I can move on with my life.
How are they all going to act when the tables are turned and the hunters become the hunted? They're shedding crap and super spreaders. Seems to me it'll be role reversal that happens. The jab idiots will have a field day advocating for us to be punished . ..but what happens when the truth they're the ones killing people w their choices is finally common knowledge? How are they going to cope?
there was a video of a guy at a county board meeting in OH or IN or something, said unvaxxed kids on campus would be committing murder. The fear porn is real to these little psychos. Unfortunately, many don't have the intelligence or the spine to deal with what is going on
The installation of a communist regime will result in the deaths of millions of little tiny cute babies and defense!ess people. History. He's the murderous cold hearted demon.
There are two issues which you're trying to wrestle with here with your friend I think. The first one is whether you care about the well-being of others, the second is whether you believe covid vaccines to be a measure which are generally improving outcomes for people at a societal level. Many people conflate these two issues as a way of trying to persuade others to take an action they would like them to take.
You can be clear to your friend about your concern for others, and the form that concern takes. What you wish for others, what you do for others. This is personal to you, and is indeed a solid basis for judging whether or not an individual is someone we want to be friends with.
You can also be clear about your evaluation of whether taking a vaccine is genuinely your best way of helping others. Its not clear to me personally that it is. I'm glad they exist, and that people who want them have access to them. Some people feel safer when they take them - I had a long conversation with my sister about this yesterday which really helped me understand her reasoning. They feel that they and their families and their neighbours are safer if they have the vacccines. That is absolutely their choice to make. Others don't draw the same conclusion. They worry about long-term safety, about government manipulation and lies and the reasons for it, about financial conflicts of interest, about escape variants, about dependence on Big Pharma, about the longer-term risks all these issues might bring to a society, the threat of totalitarianism.... These are also genuine concerns, and are a different way of caring for ourselves and those around us.
As individuals, we have the right to prioritise risk according to our personal circumstances. We cannot function as a society if we are not able to tolerate people coming to different conclusions to ourselves, especially on the the issues which are most important to us.
My sister yesterday told me that she realises she will have to have a vaccine at least every year - she doesn't care about that, it's not important to her. She has been having a flu vaccine every year for a decade (which shocked me as she is only 45) and she isn't worried about that either. I don't agree with it, but I don't love her any less for it - it is the way she has assessed risk in her life.
The only thing that really annoys my sister is people trying to sow division. Framing the other as somehow evil because they want to do things differently. We are completely agreed on this as being something we want no part of. We are agreed that it is as ok (if difficult) for us to make different decisions about this as we have about hundreds of other things in our lives.
There are all kinds of points you could make to your friend to help them see that moralising against you on this issue is something that ultimately will bring about the very kind of harm that they are trying to prevent, but perhaps empathy is the way to go if what you want to do is preserve the friendship? It sounds like they are scared, experiencing something that is traumatic to them, and they are trying to regain control of a frightening and confusing situation by controlling those around them - I think this is a very normal response, especially if it is being encouraged by a sophisticated propaganda campaign and frequent frightening personal experience. You could perhaps let them know your own feelings - your own confusion, fear, longing to contribute to life in the way that seems best to you (just guessing here - I don't know how it really is for you...) and ask them to trust in your heart and perhaps see that your role to play in all of this is a different one to theirs but no less important...
Praying for you and your friend, that you can stay connected to each other and be stronger together than you would be apart.
Sounds like a fag.
Aim lower.
With friends like him, you don't need enemies.
Stay away from emotion, and state the facts plainly.
Then lock the door behind you.
It is incalculably better to be right than to be popular.
Especially when lives are on the line.
I think the key issue is free will. If you want to get the shot, then get it and get the consequences (good/bad). If you don't want it, then the same.
It's the people who try to force people to do something against their will that's so wicked. They're attempting to enslave people through non-violent means to comply with their will on your life. That's not okay.
Yep - you're right on with where the real evil is in all of this.
Try to educate him regarding the I-MASK protocol and it's efficacy at keeping people out of the hospital and saving lives. We have so many tools to fight this disease besides masks and vaxes.
This seems to be an unexpected bonus to the elite cabal. They’ve used every kind of issue such as blacks vs whites, kids vs elders, Dems vs Reps, men vs pink hat women,etc to divide this country. Now it’s vax vs unvaxed. It’s evil. The best you can do is overcome evil with good. Love your friend, be kind and forgive the hurtful words. They only win if they can divide us. Love never fails.
True friendship rises above political differences. Unfortunately the brainwashed don't always think rationally, so continue to be a friend and hold to your principles, and try to change the subject away from your friend's oblivious support of medical tyranny.
Matthew 10:34-39
New King James Version
Christ Brings Division
34 (B)“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to (C)‘set[a] a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and (D)‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 (E)He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 (F)And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 (G)He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
This person will be among the first in line to demand that the "unvaxxed" be denied a job, housing and the right to vote. His is a false empathy. He doesnt give two fucks about people. He only cares about the agenda hes been force fed by pure evil. I feel sorry for these people. They are so weak minded and weak willed, more automaton than human.
Matthew 10
“34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c] 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.”
Luke 21
“16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends,(J) and they will put some of you to death. 17 Everyone will hate you because of me.(K) 18 But not a hair of your head will perish.(L) 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.(M)”
We are more than just these quaking flesh bags we call our bodies. We are eternal beings of spirit and gloriously created in God’s image.
Be not afraid.
It is the protocol that kills patients.
Over medication and the wrong care.
So, yes, your friend is right. People are dying at the hospital. They have done so for hundreds of years. That is why they are called hospital in terms of hospitality for the needy.
Being emotional at your expense seems abusive to me. After all; hospital staff knows how to dance Jerusalema. So, if he can't stand the heat as a consequence of mismanagement, bad protocols, and plain out stupidity, maybe he should find himself another job.
Just ask about ivermectin supression.. who's killing who??
OP, your friend is clearly an Ivermectin Denier. Be sure to point that out to him! Be sure to tell him that by denying people the cure, he is murdering them.
The best form of defense is attack.
I hear you. It's happened to me. All we can do is continue to love them and hopefully when this is over, they'll be able to accept or reach over and bridge back to us. Forgiveness is a two way street